You beat me to it! I love the way they banish him but he just keeps coming back!
Assuming the ego exists, how do you know that taking psychedelic drugs detaches you from it? What if you're just experiencing another facet of the ego? Why would your nature on a psychedelic drug be any truer than you're normal state?YellowPolkaDotHalo;10964160 said:I think if a drug enables you to detach from ego (which involves anxiety, depression, prejudices, negativity etc etc) and question what Self is, or even discover your true nature, then its got to be helpful..liberating even.
Oh right.. sorry if i've led the thread off on a mystical tangent.Vader;10964168 said:When he talks about unlocking the mysteries of the brain, I think he's talking about scientists undertaking research to better understand how consciousness emerges from matter, rather than individual users coming to mystical truths.
The reason I love ketamine so much is it saw me through what had been a VERY dark time last year. I loved it before then, but for the effects while I was on it. Well during this dark time I bought 2g's of shardy ketamine, by the time it was finnished my anxiety was gone, and I was no longer feeling like it was the end of the world, this was still the case a week later. I bought another 7g's and by the time that was done I was able to even go over everything in my mind and not let it fuck me up. I know I was always capable of dealing with it, but ketamine made it possible to do so much quicker, it showed me what I am actually capable of dealing with.YellowPolkaDotHalo
I think if a drug enables you to detach from ego (which involves anxiety, depression, prejudices, negativity etc etc) and question what Self is, or even discover your true nature, then its got to be helpful..liberating even.
What did you learn from K holes Rockstar i'm interested?
I have only really experianced this once with a nasty LSD trip. As in the meaning of it, an ego death. I have experianced various out-of-body bizarre trips where I have not been a human life form, but it's never really caused me any ego death, which I wouldn't see as a good thing if it did happen anyway. I am me.Vader
I've long thought that the concept of a person experiencing ego-death is self-contradictory (if the ego, i.e. you, is somehow banished from existence, who is experiencing the phenomenon?).
No you wouldn't. Salvia.Ismene;10964207 said:I've taken enough psychedelics to stun a charging rhino and in any state I'd still be able to fight off a tramp trying to take my stash.
But if a bloke came in and started taking your trousers down wouldn't you have enough "ego" to try and fight him off knock?knockando;10964456 said:On MXE, and also on Salvia, I have forgetten who am I, what type of creature I am.
Is this the test? The trouser preservation instinct??Ismene;10964495 said:But if a bloke came in and started taking your trousers down wouldn't you have enough "ego" to try and fight him off knock?
I do agree with this. Ketamine you can get overly positive about everything, no worries, and tends to lend it's self to thinking your the centre of the universe. Depending what drugs I've been taking I'm likely to react very differently in the same situations.SHM
That it isn't our whole self is evident to me through drug-taking, which may produce a very different 'altered consciousness'. Under certain drugs we are not the same are we? We have 'altered consciousness'.
Do you lose track of who you are? Even to the point that I could come in, take your stash and say "Allright knock" as I walk out of the door?knockando;10964506 said:Is this the test? The trouser preservation instinct??
It's yet to happen, issy, but if it does I'll post about it here!
I'd like to add...the concept of ego death has not helped move any discussion forward, ever. It's black and white hippy shit, thanks Leary. My argument is that the ego may be dissolved in its ability to affect judgement, some drugs do this better than others. Salvia does this more powerfully than others (I have taken). The only other drug to come close in the Ismene trouser test is high dose Ketamine PLUS SET AND SETTING. I've had a, erm, few experiences where I've had 30-40 minutes of pure indescribable otherness.StoneHappyMonday;10964492 said:No you wouldn't. Salvia.
Never been on a psyche ward Issy? Loads of brain dead geriatrics on anti-psychotics? You could easily take anything from them. The chair they are on.Ismene;10964620 said:Do you lose track of who you are? Even to the point that I could come in, take your stash and say "Allright knock" as I walk out of the door?