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Cycle Advice Primobolan, Trt and cardiotoxicity, Is it really harmful?

scatterday

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So I've been out of gym for the good part of a few months and lost every piece of muscle I've gained. I've done one blast>cruise and pct but I'm concerned with the HPTA suppression I haven't recovered yet and may never will so I was thinking of getting some blood work and if my levels come back low which I assume they will I was intending on running some test again.

For someone only using enough of a testosterone base to stay on the high end of normal ranges would it be considered cardiotoxic at all or have any negative impact on the body?

I have read some scientific studies proving optimized testosterone levels are good for the heart.

Regarding primobolan I have a source for some legitimate primo and was wondering what it's really good for. I hear quality lean mass gains?

If I were to ever run AAS again it would only be the least toxic ones and tiny doses so I wouldn't need an ai coupling the test base with 2iu GH daily and some masterone, EQ, var or primo.
 

ibtisam midlet

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If AAS work, she will upregulate beta receptors in the heart, there is no simple way to prevent this (maybe SARM?)
Just use fast heart beat medications, but not beta blocker, because with beta blocker, you will inhibit the changes that testosterone made to increase your physical and mental abilities.
 

scatterday

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If AAS work, she will upregulate beta receptors in the heart, there is no simple way to prevent this (maybe SARM?)
Just use fast heart beat medications, but not beta blocker, because with beta blocker, you will inhibit the changes that testosterone made to increase your physical and mental abilities.
So in other words you're saying that trt has some negative effect on the heart as it upregulates beta receptors?

Do you mind linking a source of information to show me what you're saying is correct.
 

ibtisam midlet

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>>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21549119
testosterone up-regulate beta 2 receptors in heart, the function of beta 2 receptors is signaling to the heart for beating, any increase in them will cause fast heart beat.

I have read some scientific studies proving optimized testosterone levels are good for the heart.
there is a 2 ways to heart failure:
the first one, is deficiency in the signaling system, that will make the heart beat lower then 60bpm, this can be treated with AAS.

the second one is, hypersensitivity in the signaling system (genetic from DNA, or using AAS), that will cause the heart to beat more the 100bpm, this in long run will cause heart muscle failure.
 

Swim15

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I’m not going to jump in on that discussion but physiological doses of testosterone are not going to put your health at risk. So your plan - very moderate amounts for overall health isn’t an issue.

100-150mg a week and a little growth is good for overall health and mental wellbeing/optimization. Adding more on top of that increases risk slightly if absolute health is your top priority but I wouldn’t say it’s anything to worry about.

No one is perfectly healthy and everyone has habits that aren’t 100% ideal. It’s life. Enjoy it while trying to strive for the best overall health you can but I wouldn’t nit pick 100-200mg extra gear a week here and there
 

ibtisam midlet

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I’m not going to jump in on that discussion but physiological doses of testosterone are not going to put your health at risk. So your plan - very moderate amounts for overall health isn’t an issue.

100-150mg a week and a little growth is good for overall health and mental wellbeing/optimization. Adding more on top of that increases risk slightly if absolute health is your top priority but I wouldn’t say it’s anything to worry about.

No one is perfectly healthy and everyone has habits that aren’t 100% ideal. It’s life. Enjoy it while trying to strive for the best overall health you can but I wouldn’t nit pick 100-200mg extra gear a week here and there
that depend in his baseline heart rate, also his eye color is beautiful *-*
 

Swim15

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Yeah no lol. There’s literally a million more intertwined factors to consider than just heart rate
 
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