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Pregnant...8 months of oxycodone daily...3 weeks clean now...suffered no withdrawals

DalaiMama215

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23 years old female, pregnant and abusing Oxycodone

For the last couple of years I have dabbled with oxycodone nothing really serious have been times I didn't take it 4months straight....only a couple times on weekends and I can say my habit picked up about 8 months ago basically my whole pregnancy where I have consistently took 1 30 mg oxycodone every night non stop..my tolerance increased in December and I quickly went from doing just one to 2-3 30 mgs

My Bf is heavily addicted to oxycodone he snorts it and suffer from withdrawal symptoms soon as he wakes but I literally wake up completely fine and the only time I use (I swallow them) would be at night and even then I don't start to withdrawal I literally don't need them but I love the high more so....anyways I figured I would probably be physically dependent by now and I decided to stop for a couple days just to see how bad the withdrawals would be and nothing....

I don't know if that's normal or not but I don't withdrawal...my BF checked my pupils not dilated at all...i probably felt maybe a little bit of chills for about an hour but nothing I couldnt handle....i literally felt fine...i have used non stop everyday for months why is it that I don't withdrawal....my boyfriend is in amazement and said I need to be researched...

I can say it's way more a mental addiction then a physical one...my baby's is perfectly healthy and measured to be at the perfect weight for her gestational age and has a great heartbeat ETC but I I have to kick this habit not only for her but myself and seeing that I don't withdrawal I can honestly say I can go cold turkey without medical supervision....I do not want CPS to take my child for my own selfish habit

The only drugs I have tried were weed and Oxycodone and I kicked the weed habit 60 days ago and that was easy because I never really favored weed.

I have 8 weeks left to get this right but I have a couple questions...

How long does it take for opiates to be out of your system?

What can I use for anxiety?

This is my Day 1 of being officially clean..going cold turkey! Never turning back after this I will have my baby and my future to look too...I don't need these pills in my life anymore
 
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Count your blessings, honey.. Walk away from the shit right now. Not even for yourself..., for that baby. You can worry about your own dependence later, right now I would focus on that little life that has no control over anything, and will need it's mama.

If you're only feeling slight withdrawal I would ride it out, if you go into full blown withdrawal you should probably seek medical attention, you don't want to lose that baby.

Best of luck.
 

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I'm going to step back on issues specifically related to pregnancy (though I know there are a few threads here related to various aspects of precisely that issue). But in terms of how long it stays in your system, part of that would depend on dosage and the length of your last run. But basically it is likely to reach extremely low levels within a few days. Typically when doctors initiate either suboxone or naltrexone they aim to wait 7-10 days since last use. A lot of it comes down to exactly what you mean by 'out of your system'...i.e. how long it's detectable vs how long it becomes completely metabolized. If you'd like to clarify this issue, we can probably give you a better answer.

All in all, though, I think Sixx nailed it.

Best luck.
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I'd like to make clear that we do not allow drug testing related questions on BL. I'm going to leave your thread open because of the other value info you are requisition and potential for discussion, but please be aware that any further discussion on how long a drug stays in the system will be deleted/edited out of the thread. You can easily find info on half-life and elimination time on many other websites for various opioids like oxycodone (such as erowid.org). But now on to your questions OP:



Dependency is not either physical or mental, it has interconnected biological, emotional and neurochemical components. The fact you experience intense craving indicates that you have become dependent on it, even if neither your dependency or tolerance has reached stereotypical junky proportions.

You are in your third trimester, I take it you live in an area that will get child services involved if you involved the medical profession? The problems with opioid dependency and pregnancy have a bit less to do with the simple fact you have an opioid in you and your baby's system and more the trauma involved in the acute withdrawal syndrome to your baby's health. The safest thing anyone of us could recommend is for you to see a specialist who treats pregnant opioid user, such as one affiliated with a methadone or buprenorphine provider.

You may only have encountered information about methadone or buprenorphine through personal anecdote, but it is the safest way to get you and your baby through the process of giving birth, considering you already have a habit of sorts. Stabilizing on a moderate to low dose of methadone or buprenorphine would get you off the oxycodone and on a legally prescribed opioid so that when you do give birth no one will be able to say you've been endangering your baby or taking anything illegal, thus helping to proactively prevent the involvement of family services simply because you have been on opioids. After giving birth your baby can be easily and safely weaned from opioids and you can move forward however you decide to address future use.

I would strongly suggest you find your areas local needle exchange and make an appointment with the manger to discuss your situation. Although you may have never had anything yourself to do with injection drug use, needle exchanges offer the most low key and informative information that you could use to connect with a local service provider who you could work with and keep family services out of your situation. Hopefully they could at the least connect you with a confidential, safe and sympathetic OBGYM. Plus they could help give you a better what the local laws in your area regarding drug use and pregnancy might affect you given your specific situation.

Please let us know what you're thinking about doing.
 

DalaiMama215

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I just feel like I don't need to be on methadone or anything of that sort because I don't withdrawal physically I may have mental cravings but I don't get sick and during those two days I had an OB appointment an a ultrasound and my baby wasn't in distress and her heart rate was monitored and she seemed perfectly fine those couple of days I was clean last week.

I don't want to be put on a substance that would cause me and my baby to withdrawal especially I since I don't suffer severe withdrawal from the OXY

I known for a fact if I suffered severe withdrawals I would definitely go to the hospital to be monitored but when I'm not using the oxy I feel completely normal.

I even tapered back down to doing just one at night and I completely plan to stop tomorrow.

Do you guys think I don't have a physical dependence because I dont get high all day? Just once at night time..before I go to bed every night.

I went 48 hours without zero withdrawal symptoms..i think that being put on methadone would be a bit of an over kill.
 

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Also I can control the mental cravings but it's just that I have so much idle time on my hands being pregnant and suffering from Pelvis Dysfunction *severe pelvic pain during pregnancy that makes it hard to walk*

So basically I get high when I'm bored at night and I can't work due to that problem while pregnant.

The mental cravings are there but I can definitely stop.

Idle time is definitely my biggest enabler right now.

Otherwise when I'm out having fun I don't even think about getting high.
 

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Perhaps you could find more healthy ways to structure your day? It's a lot easier said than done of course.

It sounds more like you are at the early "honey moon" period of your opioid use, before serious tolerance of dependency has enough time to develop. That doesn't mean there isn't any tolerance or dependency, just that it isn't so acute at to be particularly distressing. It generally takes a minimum of three to four days for the body to begin acclimating to how it feels without exogenous endorphins (e.g. without any opioid use).

If you've only gone a day or two, or at most three, it is hard to get a good feeling for what it will be like to have any significant amount of time away from opioids or what your withdrawal will feel like. You not feeling much in the ways of withdrawal, it probably just means your habit is relatively easily controlled.

How are you thinking of tapering? Whatever you do, just go easy on yourself. You should have a pretty good idea if you're moving too fast. The only danger is that you do end up going to fast or causing your body unnecessary stress. Right now the best thing for your unborn child is almost certainly biological stability on your part. If removing opioid use from the equation promotes that, go for it. Generally speaking withdrawal will lead to more stress, so treat lightly.

Another issue of detoxing while pregnancy is the challenge treating the withdrawal with other medication, as would normally be recommended for acute withdrawal, become much more problematic. Obviously any medication or substance you ingest (well, it is safer to make the assumption it might) will probably be shared with your child, so its much more complex in terms of having to deal with avoiding potential teratogens (or suffering through whatever withdrawal brings).
 
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Besides from a little anxiety which I had even before my opioid use, I'm going completely cold turkey.

I don't feel like I need any other drugs to help with the withdrawal besides lots of water, Healthy eating and rest and to keep myself occupied.

I think it's pretty safe for me to go cold turkey because of my very minor withdrawal symptoms.

Anxiety I can say is probably the worst part of it and that's probably one of the other reasons I started to abuse opioids and that's a huge part of my medical history that my doctors know of and tried to help me manage. I was actually prescribed klonodopins last year for my bad anxiety ...by the same hospital I plan to birth my baby.

I just want me and my little one to be completely withdrawal free by time I have her and being that I don't withdrawal myself I have a big feeling she should be okay and 8 weeks of not using should be totally enough time for me and her to properly recover

Do you think that my baby will come out withdrawaling when when comes out even with me being 8 weeks clean?
 

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Stop using, until your baby is born. Please don't jeopardise a helpless child. Once you hold that little thing you're life will instantly charge. Trust me. Put that stuff down until your baby is born, please. I don't mean to be the blunt one, but as a parent I know the regret you will have If that baby is harmed.
 

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Congratulations on your decision to quit!<3

Are you saying that your due date is in 8 weeks? Does your medical team know about the opiates? I know this is probably not something you want exposed but for the sake of your baby it is important they know. Let them know that you do not need either a lecture or stigma--you want what is best for your child and you want their expertise in making sure you get that. Even if you have no signs of withdrawal this does not mean that your baby will not.

And I have to ask this last question. Does your partner plan to stop? Motherhood, especially in the beginning can be a difficult transition. If you are stressed and living with someone with "heavily addicted" it is going to make you much more vulnerable.
 

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Do you think that my baby will come out withdrawaling when when comes out even with me being 8 weeks clean?
If you were to stop using right now and all were to go well, I doubt you baby would go through any kind of severe neonatal abstinence syndrome. There will probably be a little if you have been using throughout the pregnancy up until now, but it won't be as intense at it would be otherwise. Chances are your newborn will be a bit more "cranky" than it might otherwise be, but healthy otherwise. If you keep up with a healthy diet, limit your stress and get enough rest, you should end up with a healthy newborn.

I'd suggest you educate yourself about opioid withdrawal among pregnant women and neonatal abstinence syndrome (NAS), just so you have a better idea of what you are/will be dealing with. Regarding NAS and treatment: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4187528/ Regarding NAS symptoms: http://www.stanfordchildrens.org/en/topic/default?id=neonatal-abstinence-syndrome-90-P02387 & http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/134/2/e547

This is where the importance of getting as much medical, professional support with this as your situation allows is so significant. I am not a doctor (and even if I was, I'm not the one you'd be using or your wet-nurse, etc). This is a very specific kind of issue, one that, if it weren't for the stigma surrounding your situation, is easily treated and controlled. But the situation regarding how your plans for detoxification and later any incidence of NAS will present isn't something we can really predict on BL - at least not to the degree a clinician IRL actually treating you is able to. There is only so much we can tell you about what you are going to experience with this outside of (significant) generalities.

I know I'm probably beating a dead horse, but I strongly urge you again to seek out some kind of community based/public health oriented support from a harm reduction focused organization that commonly works with drug users. Needle exchange are the most obvious example, but other types of public/mental health clinics can help.

If you don't mind my asking OP, what part of the country are you in (from what you mentioned regarding your fears about child services getting involved, I assume somewhere in the Southern US)?
 
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There were nore than a few pregnant women at the methadone clinic when I used to go to one (I was on methadone for about 5yrs) - they didn't get their children taken away-except for one. She had a really bad benzo habit that she didn't tell the Dr or medical team about. And I think there was more to that story than she told me.

When I got pregnant w my daughter, I was partying, doing coke-not to the point it was ruining my life-but still I was using coke. (Snorting)

The morning before work, that I took a pregnancy test and it was positive- I dumped the glass vile of coke I had down the toilet. It wasn't easy either. I had to either sit and watch my ex-husband and his friends party. Or he stopped coming home because he was using. It was a very hard time for me. I craved coke for about two months then I had no cravings.

When you see your baby-well, theres no way to describe it. You're about to experience it for yourself. Its going to change you. You will be a mother.

Toothpastedog gave great advice. I worked in public health for years. You can find help without losing your baby. I wish you the best-and hope everything goes well for you as a new mom. Get your rest now lol. You're not going to get any for a long time after you have the baby. Good luck.
 

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I was using oxycodone 150-250mg a day when my now ex-wife was pregnant and rolled into ORT when our baby turned four.

I just wish I would have had the strenght and reasons to stop before but that is a past. I was a functional addict if there can be one but I al totally sure that my usage deprived my abilities for being a dad until I started ORT. Now I am a weekend father and have good terms with my daughter and she truly loves being around me and my new gf and I can discuss properly with my ex about childcare and such.

Even my ex-mother-in-law approves that I am currently a good dad. Even better than her husband was for my ex-wife. I also often help my ex-mother-in-law with computer related stuff etc.

So in my opinion a heavy user can't perform being good dad so something must happen with that issue in my opinion. If he won't get help like ORT and possible do some needed major lifestyle changes I would told you to ditch him as my ex-wife ditched myself. It really was a waking up call for me to start thinking about what is needed to be a proper dad.
 

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I totally understand and he's trying to get the help he needs me and him both. If he wasn't trying I would definitely consider me leaving him.

He's such a great person and loved our unborn child aand I couldn't see myself leaving him just because he's going through an addiction what type of person would I be to leave him in a weak state? He takes care of me and we have everything we need for the baby and he Puts us first before himself.

He truly wants to stop.
 

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I live in Philadelphia Pennsylvania and I am honestly scared to let my doctors know about my opioid use that's why I rather get it under control then to tell them.

I have a huge feeling my baby will be okay because I am not a heavy user and don't suffer from withdrawals I have stopped and my baby is still kicking like she normally would and besides of a little anxiety and body temp problems I am honestly fine and I feel okay.

I would be heartbroken if she came out withdrawing and that's honestly my biggest fear, I truly don't want CPS to get involved.

I even tried Subs before and I didn't like it because it made me high...shouldnt it do the opposite? If I had a physical dependence why would the subs get me high?
 

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All things are relative with opioid tolerance my dear. Buprenorphine is certainly a very, very potent opioid. Unless one has a significant tolerance to opioids generally (and it is hard to know what a "significant" tolerance is unless you've already had to bare that cross) buprenorphine causes pronounced euphoria and opioid agonism.

DO NOT take Suboxone or anything with Naloxone in it while you are pregnant! Naloxone is a known teratogen. The use of buprenorphine+naloxone products like Suboxone may very well cause serious harm to the newborn (well, technically the zygote/fetus). Buprenorphine ONLY products like Subutex are considered safe for pregnant patients, as is methadone and most other opioids assuming they are properly managed.

Have you tried reaching out to a local harm reduction organization who can give you some support with what you're going through? I'd be happy to do some digging and refer you to a good, confidential, local harm reduction based organization if you would like. It's amazing how much help there is out there, it is just a PITA to figure out if you don't already know what you're looking for.
 

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So your not physically dependent. Then I would find a support group that fits your personality and start attending every day.

And if your not having any withdrawal the last thing I would do is get on methadone or suboxone.

I would really start exploring addiction treatment options.

I would also look up laws in your state.

By a burner phone and call the hospital to see what the procedure is when a new mother comes in with unprescribed opiates in her system.
 
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Not proud to say that I used oxycodone up until my 35 week of pregnancy daily and quit cold turkey 3 weeks ago and never suffered withdrawal symptoms. I have been clean for a few weeks now and the baby have been monitored and put on stress test every week (since I'm in my last weeks of pregnancy you see the OB once a week) the baby is perfectly healthy..such as practicing her breathing ...all organs functioning normally...no signs of distress....

I am in complete shock, I don't know for sure if my baby will come out with WDs because I have been clean for almost a month and nothing has went wrong so far.

I pray that she's okay and healthy the mental cravings were so hard to get over but after day 4 they went completely away.

I would say it's a miracle and a blessing that after stopping I didn't WD...is this normal...should I be researched...I went from doing 1 30 mg oxycodone for 6 months then my tolerance went up to two or three 30 mgs in those last couple of months...I never took anything consistently throughout the day just all together once late at night while watching a movie....is it because I let my body metabolize the drug for at least 24 hours before I took anymore? I also swallowed never crushed, snorted or injected in my life.

I'm not sure but it's a miracle
 

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Not proud to say that I used oxycodone up until my 35 week of pregnancy daily and quit cold turkey 3 weeks ago and never suffered withdrawal symptoms. I have been clean for a few weeks now and the baby have been monitored and put on stress test every week (since I'm in my last weeks of pregnancy you see the OB once a week) the baby is perfectly healthy..such as practicing her breathing ...all organs functioning normally...no signs of distress....

I am in complete shock, I don't know for sure if my baby will come out with WDs because I have been clean for almost a month and nothing has went wrong so far.

I pray that she's okay and healthy the mental cravings were so hard to get over but after day 4 they went completely away.

I would say it's a miracle and a blessing that after stopping I didn't WD...is this normal...should I be researched...I went from doing 1 30 mg oxycodone for 6 months then my tolerance went up to two or three 30 mgs in those last couple of months...I never took anything consistently throughout the day just all together once late at night while watching a movie....is it because I let my body metabolize the drug for at least 24 hours before I took anymore? I also swallowed never crushed, snorted or injected in my life.

I'm not sure but it's a miracle

Congrats with your new healthy baby!! I think your wds were only 4 days because of the short acting oxy you were on also your dose was not high. But i also think you got a gift hopefully it will be your last opioid wd. Take it as a gift and remember it when you ever crave an op again. I got off easy with wds too after a long hell ween i felt the same way its a miracle probably why im still clean going on 5 months, i really dont think i'll get the miracle a second time. Best of luck to you and your new baby!!!:)
 

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I will never touch another pill again, it's so much better being clean no more constipation or sleeping all day I feel so much better mentally and physically....
 
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