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Gabapentinoids Pregabalin/lyrica constipation??

Zonxx

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So I'm a heavy opiate user and of late I've been diddling with Pregabalin and Gabapentin in higher doses ( 500-1750mg lyrica and 300-1200 gabapentin) to manage my opiate use as I've been able to ween abit since discovering its effects that said, I figure it's these meds as nothing much has changed in my regimen but are gaba meds constipating? You'd assume I'd have less of an issue taking less opiates but that hasn't been the case, it's been quite worse in fact in that department how does it effect the bowels ? As far as I know it doesn't slow anything down?
 
You'd assume I'd have less of an issue taking less opiates but that hasn't been the case, it's been quite worse in fact in that department

pregabalin/gabapentin severely diminish the effect any opiate ever had on me to the point that i wouldn't even think about dosing opiates if i was high on either of them. i found this effect would linger for a day or two since i also dosed extremely high on them. like so high i once ate 90 300mg gabapentin in a 24hr period, topped over 3 grams of lyrica several times... basically they become a 'deleriant' at those levels and i strongly, strongly discourage that. ended up in jail once and easily couldve each time from what i've been told. since i preferred opiates i wouldn't even touch pregab/gaba when i had opiates and saved them strictly for days when i ran out or knew i would not have enough to stave off sickness. take it from me - they lose their magic after awhile and when its gone its gone - apparently permanantly - and you will really be pissed at yourself when kicking hard from opiates and you wasted your magic bullets...
 
In isolation, it is theoretically possible for gabapentin, pregabalin, baclofen and the like to cause some constipation, although I have never heard of it reaching the Shitting The Pineapple level. Beta blockers, antihistamines, sedatives, a lot of benzodiazepines and the like also have this effect, and it is more marked with anticholinergics.

This kind of thing is very variable from one patient to the next.

It is more likely a combination of this constipation liability with a much stronger contribution from the residual effects from opioids. Remember that the body can actually store opioids it does not use right away -- enough to slow the development of withdrawal and show up in sub-threshold quantities in drugs screening/toxicology panels for up to a year after cessation, especially in the case of the more lipid-soluble narcotics and one is losing a lot of weight during this time.

For example, when I started with a new pain specialist about 25 years ago, there was one smart aleck nurse who apparently thought all people on narcotics were junkies, so I told her to go right ahead and do a nalorphine challenge test to see that I was not dependent on opioids in high levels, but the doctor overruled the nurse on this because a test like that a little over a week of coming off being on very high levels of hydromorphone and morphine would be dangerous especially because of my heart.

All new patients of the pain clinic get a panel which essentially skips the immunoassay and goes straight to the GC/MS, HPLC, and FTIR to find everything which is lurking in there mainly as a means of preventing untoward medication interactions, and metabolites of diazepam showed up at something like femtomole levels, maybe fewer than 10 000 molecules of the stuff in that blood sample, eight years after my last dose, and there were also trace amounts of dextromoramide and piritramide from 12-21 months earlier.
 
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I honestly do not have issues re constipation on low or high doses lyrica. This does not mean others will not. Opiates and lyrica may do something together that I have not experienced; so.... Opiates alone give me constipation but when ingesting them there is usually leafage to accompany.
 
Sodium Docusate is available on the shelf is works well for constipation. It's technically a stool-softener, rather than a laxative so it doesn't cause those awful cramps moost laxatives cause.
 
OMG: awesome idea for drug-induced constipation: a pill containing docusate and diazepam! A relaxative if you will :D. I want.
 
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In isolation, it is theoretically possible for gabapentin, pregabalin, baclofen and the like to cause some constipation, although I have never heard of it reaching the Shitting The Pineapple level. Beta blockers, antihistamines, sedatives, a lot of benzodiazepines and the like also have this effect, and it is more marked with anticholinergics.

This kind of thing is very variable from one patient to the next.

It is more likely a combination of this constipation liability with a much stronger contribution from the residual effects from opioids. Remember that the body can actually store opioids it does not use right away -- enough to slow the development of withdrawal and show up in sub-threshold quantities in drugs screening/toxicology panels for up to a year after cessation, especially in the case of the more lipid-soluble narcotics and one is losing a lot of weight during this time.

For example, when I started with a new pain specialist about 25 years ago, there was one smart aleck nurse who apparently thought all people on narcotics were junkies, so I told her to go right ahead and do a nalorphine challenge test to see that I was not dependent on opioids in high levels, but the doctor overruled the nurse on this because a test like that a little over a week of coming off being on very high levels of hydromorphone and morphine would be dangerous especially because of my heart.

All new patients of the pain clinic get a panel which essentially skips the immunoassay and goes straight to the GC/MS, HPLC, and FTIR to find everything which is lurking in there mainly as a means of preventing untoward medication interactions, and metabolites of diazepam showed up at something like femtomole levels, maybe fewer than 10 000 molecules of the stuff in that blood sample, eight years after my last dose, and there were also trace amounts of dextromoramide and piritramide from 12-21 months earlier.
The body stores opioids? That's the first I read about it I'm baffled
 
There has been debate since at least as far back as the 1920s how this happens, but in addition to what else may happen in the longer term, if one is on high narcotic doses the withdrawal syndrome does not start right away in a lot of cases . . . some of the really lipid-soluble ones are probably stored in fat, and maybe if there is not a receptor to activate, the molecule floats around for a while (within reason) until a space opens up . . .
 
gabapentin causes me to have the squirts if I take it in mega doses..Pregabalin helps me very much w my anxiety...

I can take benzos correctly or not at all cuz I hate the effects they give me and I have major anxiety..Lyrica however always gives me like a speedy feeling but has never caused me to have constipation.
 
If you read rx labels, nearly every drug can possibly cause both constipation and diarrhea as a side effect.

To my knowledge, lyrica does not have a propensity to cause constipation but I’d wager ~1-5% of patients taking it report constipation. Whether this is statistically significant vs placebo I am not sure.

In summary, the drug may be causing the issue, it may be a placebo effect, or it may be altogether unrelated.
 
gabapentin causes me to have the squirts if I take it in mega doses..Pregabalin helps me very much w my anxiety...

I can take benzos correctly or not at all cuz I hate the effects they give me and I have major anxiety..Lyrica however always gives me like a speedy feeling but has never caused me to have constipation.

High-dose codeine gives me the post extreme, uncontrollable diarrhea. It's insane. To be point where I shat blood and passed out from dehydration and had to be taken to the hospital. They initially rejected my codeine explanation (no, it makes EVERYBODY constipated!!) and decided I had amoebic dysentery, until blood tests proved them wrong.
 
You are slowing your bodies. processes down. I would try coffee to jump start your bowels. Also not judging, but those are pretty high doses of pregabalin and gabapentin. Dialing them down a bit will still help your opiate management, but will help keep you out of side effect land. Opiates also bind you up. They have things at the store to help you go.
 
You are slowing your bodies. processes down. I would try coffee to jump start your bowels. Also not judging, but those are pretty high doses of pregabalin and gabapentin. Dialing them down a bit will still help your opiate management, but will help keep you out of side effect land. Opiates also bind you up. They have things at the store to help you go.
yepyep, i enjoy the pregabalin <snip> if you want to call it that though, and yeah i don't necessarily have issues going with meds/whatver its more me wanting to go on my own, i haven't had a natural shit for more than 2 days after emptying out in over 2 or 3 years which is pretty annoying, at times ive had to take upwards of 4-6 extra strength exlax with stool softeners etc etc its relatively taxing tbh
also, i essentially have to eat those doses of pregabalin in order for it to work else i still get the urge/crave if you will to take my regular doses of opiates which im trying to cut down on for no particular reason just to see if i can with my pain
 
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