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Opioids poppy tea withdrawl

pieeyedpiper

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I am a heavy pt drinker. I go through about 15 large pods a day to stay straight. 20+ to get high. I got hooked on script opiates after a terrible accident. After I recovered I had a habit and switched to pt. It has been over 2 months now. I want to stop but am terrified of the withdrawls. I'm a former H user and know how bad it can get. I read on this site that pt withdrawl when you have a habit like mine can be as bad as kicking intranasal dope. I have no more access to script opiates and can't afford outpatient detox. Any strategic advice would be helpful. thanks http://i.bluelight.ru/s/argh.gif
 
Unfortunately, your best option here is to tough it out using either loperamide or tramadol (I would recommend the latter). Tramadol is cheap and can be gotten online, and used as an effective method to taper. You will be uncomfortable for about a week but it will get much easier. Using tramadol will effectively eliminate all severe physical withdrawal symptoms.

Also, programs like NA can be effective in maintaining sobriety, and they are free. Go to meetings man, they are helpful.
 
I have also heard PT w/ds can be pretty bad too, its because you are getting addicted to a lot of natural alkaloids found in the pods like Codeine and Morphine, its not like when you have a oxy habit , you are addicted to oxy. When you got a PT habit, you are addicted to all sorts of shit from what Ive heard.

I agree with Virtuoso on how to deal with the w/ds, if you go the loperamide(Immodium AD)route, Id get some mild longer-acting benzos too though, like Valiums or Klonopin for Day 2-5 so you can sleep and I think it helps a little with the cravings too. Just make sure you dont pickup a benzo habit.

Good luck buddy and I hope you get through it bro.
 
I would strongly recommend avoiding the benzos. They can create an addiction themselves. The tramadol should allow you to sleep just fine, and has almost no addictive potential.
 
Half your dose every 1-2 weeks. Plan out a strict taper, write it out and stick to it 100%. If you fail to do this, you prob need to look into something like suboxone or methadone.

These are the only other options besides cold turkey.
 
There is no reason to go to methadone or suboxone for a poppy tea addiction. It would be like using heroin to come off of hydrocodone. Not an appropriate response that could potentially make things worse.
 
Poppy pod tea has been reported to have some of the worst withdrawals. That plus the sky is the limit as far as the amount of morphine/codine/everything else people are ingesting with these. I don't see your reasoning for why you consider poppy tea addiction a 'lower level' opiate or addiction. Especially with having a past H habit, maybe he just cant get off the opiates and needs some kind of maintenance to get his life back together.

What are his options for improving his life if the taper or cold turkey doesn't work?
 
Nova I don't need maintenance. Actually I was clean for 3 years before my accident. I have used meth buscuits in the past to successfully kick H binges of 8-10 bags a day intranasal 5-6 weeks long by tapering 2 busicuits 1 whole day1- half day 2- 1/4 day 3- 1/4 day 4 and valium days 4-7 it worked well. If i had that kind of access it would be a no brainer. Since I don't I'm probably going to go with the tramadol that virtuoso recommends. I have access to a sleep tranq. I need to research what it is and see if it's an option. Should be able to get a couple of valiums too.
 
There is no reason to go to methadone or suboxone for a poppy tea addiction. It would be like using heroin to come off of hydrocodone. Not an appropriate response that could potentially make things worse.

No it wouldn't. Poppy tea is almost excactly what methadone/bupe are for. Make no mistake, poppy tea addiction is MORPHINE addiction. But the withdrawals can be way more drawn out, esp if you are eating the grounds. Don't downplay his MORPHINE addiction. (which can be CLOSELY compared to a heroin addiction)

And don't avoid benzos. If you can get your hands on some, they can be INDISPENSIBLE for your kick. Just don't take them for longer than maybe 10 days.
 
What country are you in OP? I would recommend going to a methadone clinic for a 10 or 21 day taper. Don't try to explain poppy tea to them, just tell them morphine.
 
There is no reason to go to methadone or suboxone for a poppy tea addiction. It would be like using heroin to come off of hydrocodone. Not an appropriate response that could potentially make things worse.

That's very bad advice. There are numerous benefits to a supervised maintenance or detox program using either medication vs at home detox.

The OP is a former Heroin user and became hooked on script opioids before the pods; acute opioid withdrawal is very often/always a trigger for relapse that for many is impossible to resist.

It is ludicrous for users dependant on less potent opioids to completely rule out BMT, MMT or a detox using either drug. No opioid is easy to kick. I do not believe any opioid is easier to kick than another- it is always vile. PPT isn't a lesser opioid either; it is Morphine in unknown dosages/purity. Heroin is converted to Morphine in the body. PPT addicts are very similar to Heroin addicts, and should have access and accomidation for the same calibre of treatment.
 
This was meant to be a discussion about home detox. I'm not interested in anyone's advice on MMT
BMT. Like i said I can't afford it. clinics are very expensive without insurance so are addiction specialists. I have been through this before. If I needed advice for what to do after the Wds I'd ask for it. I was clean for 3 years before my accident and I don't need maintenance. Just the best possible taper. So lets stick to that.
 
I saw this post and decided to register just to reply. If you can get hold of Kratom from a local headshop I would really give it a go. It's legal and available without a prescription and while not actually being a opiate it affects the same bits of your brain and has been used in SE Asia as a cure for opium withdrawals.
 
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This was meant to be a discussion about home detox. I'm not interested in anyone's advice on MMT
BMT. Like i said I can't afford it. clinics are very expensive without insurance so are addiction specialists. I have been through this before. If I needed advice for what to do after the Wds I'd ask for it. I was clean for 3 years before my accident and I don't need maintenance. Just the best possible taper. So lets stick to that.

My reply was meant for people reading this thread whose situation may be similar or different from yours. Information that may or may not be considered good should be questioned if questions there are.

There are hundreds of threads about at home detox, what OTC drugs to use and why, what RX drugs to use and why, descriptions of pro's / con's of tapering, pro's / con's of using PPT/Kratom/extracts of either/weaker opioids to taper, etc.

Here are several that may help you, more or less in order of relevance.

I) Poppy Seed/Poppy Pod Ultimate MegaThread

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=343181&highlight=PPT+withdrawal+detox

II) Advice Getting Off Pods

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=436900&highlight=PPT+withdrawal+detox

III) Poppy Seed Sickness

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=346100&highlight=PPT+withdrawal+detox

IV) Opiate Withdrawals

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=431935&highlight=withdrawal+megathread

V) How Hard Would It Be To Kick Methadone With These Meds?

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=411804&highlight=OTC+Opiate+detox

VI) Ranking The Best Drug(s) Combo(s) For Opioid Withdrawal

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=206661&highlight=OTC+Opiate+detox

VII) Tapering Off: Opiate Withdrawal Avoidance

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=39011&highlight=OTC+Opiate+detox

VIII) Phreex's Guide To Opioid Withdrawal

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=32895

IX) A Guide To Opioid Addiction Treatments & Other Medications Used For WD

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=307488

X) Scared

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=411338&highlight=PPT+withdrawal+detox
 
Poppy pod tea has been reported to have some of the worst withdrawals. That plus the sky is the limit as far as the amount of morphine/codine/everything else people are ingesting with these. I don't see your reasoning for why you consider poppy tea addiction a 'lower level' opiate or addiction. Especially with having a past H habit, maybe he just cant get off the opiates and needs some kind of maintenance to get his life back together.

What are his options for improving his life if the taper or cold turkey doesn't work?

The quantity that he is consuming each day does not even come close to warranting a maintenance program.

I understand that you mean well, but withdrawal is always hard. There is not a magic pill to make it easy. It take will, and determination to pull it off.

The quantity of tea he is consuming is not in the high level, and tea itself, while containing a wide variety of alkaloids, is extremely diluted and relatively low dose. I would put it on par with hydrocodone, because if it was heroin-bad (as you seem to think it is), it would be illegal by now.

As I said, withdrawal is always hard, but not because of the physical withdrawal. The emotional energy required to get and stay clean is more than you will expend to do anything else, the withdrawal is the relatively easy part.

Supervised detox is not meant for a poppy tea addiction, it just isn't It would also be extremely difficult to find a provider that would prescribe either bupe or MMT for a poppy tea addiction. I would never suggest that supervised detox is a bad thing, but poppy tea does not have the same intense effect on the brain as more potent opiates like oxycodone or heroin.

EDIT: Let me qualify this statement. If bupe is used just for detoxing over the course of 3-7 days, that is one thing. Unfortunately, bupe is used most often as a maintenance med, which does nothing but prolong addiction and promote addictive behavior. Also, tramadol has been shown in studies to be almost as effective in minimizing withdrawal while being easier to taper down from, hence I suggested it. Substituting one addiction for another solves nothing, so in my mind, assuming he actually wants to get clean, he needs to stay away from benzos and strong opiates in general.
 
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I think virtuoso said it to begin with, use some Tramadol perhaps & certainly get a box of loperamide. After a week he'll be fit again not total hell...
 
im sorry to be an ass, but i kindly request that you stop posting in this thread. Each post you are making here is teeming with false information. Your comment that "if it were that strong it would be illegal", is not only non-sensical, but outright wrong. First off, contrary to popular belief, pods ARE illegal. Secondly, even if they were legal, that by no means would prove that it was "weak" or mild. The OP is consuming morphine, not to mention several others. Is it really your contention that bupe/methadone is not called for in morphine addiction.
Also, 15 pods is no small amount.
Bottom line, if the OP is experiencing dependency and difficulty in quitting-THAT is precicely what bupe/methadone is made for. Ill now step down from my soapbox.
The quantity that he is consuming each day does not even come close to warranting a maintenance program.

I understand that you mean well, but withdrawal is always hard. There is not a magic pill to make it easy. It take will, and determination to pull it off.

The quantity of tea he is consuming is not in the high level, and tea itself, while containing a wide variety of alkaloids, is extremely diluted and relatively low dose. I would put it on par with hydrocodone, because if it was heroin-bad (as you seem to think it is), it would be illegal by now.

As I said, withdrawal is always hard, but not because of the physical withdrawal. The emotional energy required to get and stay clean is more than you will expend to do anything else, the withdrawal is the relatively easy part.

Supervised detox is not meant for a poppy tea addiction, it just isn't It would also be extremely difficult to find a provider that would prescribe either bupe or MMT for a poppy tea addiction. I would never suggest that supervised detox is a bad thing, but poppy tea does not have the same intense effect on the brain as more potent opiates like oxycodone or heroin.

EDIT: Let me qualify this statement. If bupe is used just for detoxing over the course of 3-7 days, that is one thing. Unfortunately, bupe is used most often as a maintenance med, which does nothing but prolong addiction and promote addictive behavior. Also, tramadol has been shown in studies to be almost as effective in minimizing withdrawal while being easier to taper down from, hence I suggested it. Substituting one addiction for another solves nothing, so in my mind, assuming he actually wants to get clean, he needs to stay away from benzos and strong opiates in general.
 
im sorry to be an ass, but i kindly request that you stop posting in this thread. Each post you are making here is teeming with false information. Your comment that "if it were that strong it would be illegal", is not only non-sensical, but outright wrong. First off, contrary to popular belief, pods ARE illegal. Secondly, even if they were legal, that by no means would prove that it was "weak" or mild. The OP is consuming morphine, not to mention several others. Is it really your contention that bupe/methadone is not called for in morphine addiction.
Also, 15 pods is no small amount.
Bottom line, if the OP is experiencing dependency and difficulty in quitting-THAT is precicely what bupe/methadone is made for. Ill now step down from my soapbox.

You don't want my opinion then block me. The actual amount of morphine that the OP is consuming orally is not even close to exceedingly high.

Pods weigh on average like 2.5 grams a piece, half of which are seeds which are discarded. Morphine content per pod is .15-.5% according to Merck. 15 pods a day is 28.125-93.75mg of oral morphine per day, depending on potency. Equivalent to 14-46.5mg of oxy per day. Call it what you want, but that is not a huge habit by any stretch.

Also, pods are not illegal. Using dried pods for drug use is, but the fact of the matter is that you can purchase them online.

Regardless, the OP asked for tips on withdrawing from home. So that means you are

1. Ignoring the OP's request.
2. Think I'm wrong because we disagree, even though you didn't appear to really think this one through too much.
3. Think pods are illegal (they aren't).
4. Draw up an argument that has caused you to say "aha!" in your little brain regarding morphine addiction, even though I have never heard of a clinic that would recommend a replacement therapy for such a small habit.
5. You apparently think that because of you vast quantity of knowledge I should "stop posting" because you CLEARLY know what you you're talking about...

Finally, and not to sound like an ass, but I actually went to school for this. Your "internet research" is about as helpful as if I gave you a scalpel and told you to take out his gall bladder because you "saw some pictures".
 
Poppy pods a low potency opiate? LMAO. I have been using high potency pods (that weight on average 3.5 grams without seeds) for a while. 80mg of oxycodone can not even get me 'high', except for the very faintest feeling of relaxation. But 10 of my large high potency pods can do it just fine.

Based on the upper end of your morphine content by weight, that means I would be consuming the better part of 200mg of morphine. It also makes sense, based on the cross conversion charts from oxycodone.

Is this 'low' potency?

-Chris

P.S. : My primary use of opiates is only for chronic pain control. My oxycodone is prescribed by a doctor under a pain management contract.
 
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Poppy pods a low potency opiate? LMAO. I have been using high potency pods (that weight on average 3.5 grams without seeds) for a while. 80mg of oxycodone can not even get me 'high', except for the very faintest feeling of relaxation. But 10 of my large high potency pods can do it just fine.

Is this 'low' potency?

-Chris

P.S. : My primary use of opiates is only for chronic pain control. My oxycodone is prescribed by a doctor under a pain management contract.

You are consuming at most 175mg of of morphine per dose (equivalent to 87.5mg of oral oxycodone). The OP consumes, at most, 90mg of morphine a day. We are talking about two totally different things.

Also, and you probably know this, but using pods violates your pain contract. Obviously, if you are drug tested you will probably get dropped.
 
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