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  • Trip Reports Moderator: Xorkoth

Phenibut - Dosage varies - Best Therapeutic Substance I've Ever Taken

noone1 said:
There's a couple of old posts on here with research on rats self administering opiates while dosed on phenibut, many of them stopped doing it more often than those that weren't on phenibut. It must block some type of shared receptor? It increases other aspects of the opiate high like pain killing, sedation and disorientation not really that great but it can fool you into thinking it's potentiating your high.

Might be useful for those interested in killing pain but not getting euphoria. This might not be the case with all opioids either like suboxone.

Who knows. The more I experiment with this stuff the less I like it, it's useful for what it is a legal valium type drug with little euphoria but it's effects are so unpredictable. Since I don't enjoy Gaba drugs the only use I've found for it is as a withdrawal aid when I'm not using opiates. 500mg with an NSAID and some loperamide, I'm good to go.

Some of you guys alarm me, I ordered a tub of 100G and still have half of it left after months. I use it every week.
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I find it hey interesting that rats stop self-administering opioids while on phenibut. I think this might be because opioids can't release dopamine while phenibut is in the system.

I get intense euphoria from it and it's unlike any other drug I've ever taken. I wish I was able to feel effects from such relatively small doses of phenibut though.

Xorkoth said:
To me phenibut is absolutely nothing like benzos at all. I don't like benzos, to me they have virtually no euphoria (some more than others, etizolam for example - while not a benzo per se - produces euphoria for me). Phenibut produces in me, like I said, a state where I feel like I am having the greatest day. Euphoria, anti-anxiety (utter elimination of anxiety generally), and relaxation and stimulation at the same time. It only works if I get the dose just right but I know how to do that due to experience with it. The first 4 or 5 hours is just a light sedation and minor anxiety relief, and then it develops that beautiful euphoric state if I have dosed correctly. If I want to be on phenibut for something, I take it 6 hours before I plan to want to feel that way. In particular I like to use it when I play shows with my band because it just gets me SO into the music and inspired.

It's probably not for everyone but it sure works for me.
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I don't get any euphoria from benzodiazepines either except for the fact that, again, I become extroverted.

noone1 said:
Yeah I forgot about listening to music. Bar none the best substance out there for listening to music.

Most of my social anxiety is psychological so I don't really get too much out of the anxyiolitic properties.
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I listen to do much music while I have phenibut in my system, as a matter of fact, I am right now as I smoke a cigarette outside.
Xorkoth said:
It's even better for playing music... just puts me right in that inspired flow.
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I recently torrented FL Studio 11 and have been creating music which has proven to be a lot of fun.

itsonlyme123 said:
Is it banned in the UK now?
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They did pass a bill for a blanket ban on all "legal highs", but I don't believe it has taken effect yet and from what I'm reading people still have no problem receiving it in the mail and I doubt they ever will.
 
Opes said:
I get intense euphoria from it and it's unlike any other drug I've ever taken. I wish I was able to feel effects from such relatively small doses of phenibut though.
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Yeah it really is unlike any other drug. The euphoria can be quite profound and the sense of total fearlessness/confidence is great. It can feel really bad in the body if you dose too much though. I find gabapentin to be superior for helping with opiate withdrawal because phenibut can make the bone pain worse, and gabapentin makes it better.
 
Opes said:
I always have a steady supply so I'm not worried about that, also all the posts about people calling the withdrawals the worst thing they've ever been through generally have not been through any other drugs' withdrawals. I stopped a several month long daily heroin and benzodiazepine habit cold turkey and was just a little cold and anxious.

How long does it take for the average person to enter withdrawal after their last dose of phenibut? I waited 36 hours one time and the only thing I felt was slightly less confident.
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You are just beggin Zeus to throw a thunder bolt at you with that kind of attitude. Do not assume that you will be different than everyone else. I have met a lot of people who don't get sick from Opioid withdrawal either ;) It's wishful thinking and I can't say I wouldn't do the same. The issue at hand is that Phenibut is much more fierce drug than anyone on the periphery is willing to give it credit for.

What has been more or less established is that Gabapentinoid withdrawal can be brutal. What is puzzling, is that users of Phenibut seem have significantly more trouble socially, economically and medically than users of prescription Gabapentinoids. This could be simple. There is an unlimited supply of Phenibut available to anyone who wants it. If you give this opportunity to a compulsive drug user, I think we can all see how it is a recipe for disaster.

Another driving factor in this hypothesis is the fact that Gabapentin (Neurontin) can only be absorbed in limited quantities. By its very nature there is some form of governor there. Pregabalin (Lyrica) is schedule 5 so we can't just buy 10g jars of it.

I think folks find this stuff, experience some positive benefit and dive right in. Gabapentinoids are well-known for the speed at which tolerance tends to develop. I believe users become more tolerant to Phenibut than they would nearly any other drug. I'm not trying to scare you too badly, but there are people who were turned into shells of themselves as they kept using more and more. I had a guy who was telling me, at the end of his dependence, he was dosing every 20-30 minutes to avoid withdrawal. If you end up in the hospital for some reason, you better believe they're not gonna treat Phenibut withdrawal. I'm not sure they would if the even knew how :(

Just please be cautious buddy! We want you to explore and have a good time, but we ideally want to help you stay away from some of the pitfalls that gave us trouble previously.
 
I thought I'd post something interesting that's happened the last two times I've dosed.

What's normal for me is to dose 2g every couple of weeks. The last two times I had moderate alcohol, which has never, somehow, interfered with the experience in the past for me. My brothers and everyone else I know says they become very sensitive to alcohol, but not me.

Well, the last two times on 2g, about 8 hrs after dosing I had pretty unpleasant dizziness and just a sense of a heavy weight on me and the intense desire to just lay down and close my eyes. It reminded me very much of the time my Dad and I moved a sailboat at 4am in 12' following seas. I was dead tired and seasick and just wanted to lay down and close my eyes. Same sensation here. Also, at about 12 hours, I had a headache and then both nights slept like death for 10 hrs straight, which isn't normal for me.

The only thing I can think of that's changed is that I stopped taking Cialis. Is this normal at all? Why am I experiencing this now? My usual dose is 2g, I've gone as high as 2.25g, never with anything other than a headache to report as a side effect and never any withdrawals.
 
10-15g a day guy still here? I took phenibut for a month and at the end was getting withdrawls 8hrs after dose. Hellacious drug
 
It seems a minority of people experience much shorter effects from phenibut, and terrible withdrawals. For most people it lasts well over 24 hours from a single dose... even when I took it every day for a year, it took 2 days for me to feel withdrawal. The withdrawal was pretty bad but it was "just" really bad anxiety and inability to sleep.
 
I already searched a bit around but is Phenibut illegal in Austria? I want to taper off my RC#s and thougt this maybe a good "softener". :)

JJ
 
itsonlyme123 said:
Is it banned in the UK now?
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Everything except alcohol, tobacco, caffeine, and licensed medicines is illegal in the UK since the PSA passed in 2015.

Is this enforced? Not really because it's impossible. The law makes all psychoactive substances except those specific exemptions illegal, but how in court do you prove beyond all reasonable doubt that a novel chemical is psychoactive? Give a line to everyone on the jury?

The government has still been amending the Misuse of Drugs Act with new RCs because even they know the PSA is impossible to actually enforce.

Additionally, under the PSA it is legal to possess RCs. It's only illegal to import or sell.

In order to actually buy phenibut you will probably need to get it imported, so you are technically in breach of the law, but are the police gonna raid you for buying phenibut? Most probably not.

I still buy kratom from NL pretty often and have never had trouble with customs even though NL is obviously a hot country.

Admittedly though I have not made any such purchases during the current situation, I'm not sure if things are any different at the moment. I imagine there's more delays in postage but if anything police are probably too busy doing people for sunbathing to go after someone wanting to get high on RCs. Mate of mine just got a pack of phenibut and tianeptine in a week so things seem to be pretty normal.

Back on topic a bit...

I absolutely love phenibut but I never exceed two or three doses per week otherwise tolerance builds so quick it's basically pointless and, as has been noted, withdrawal is none too fun either. I save it for social occasions and it is absolutely brilliant for that purpose. It's like the energetic social confidence of stims with the anxiolysis of benzos and zero comedown and it lasts all day. It's fucking brilliant.

But it's vital it is respected and used responsibly. 10g a day is going to cause problems when, not if, OP has a lapse in supply. Considering this thread is a good few years old he's probably learnt this the hard way already.
 
Hi there,

I really and honestly want to come off my extreme RCBenzo-Consume. May Phenibut help in any way?

JJ
 
JoEhJoEh said:
Hi there,

I really and honestly want to come off my extreme RCBenzo-Consume. May Phenibut help in any way?

JJ
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No, it builds tolerance and dependence way too quickly, you'd just replace one habit with another.

You want a long half-life benzo for tapering such as diazepam, or if you are limited to RCs then diclazepam.
 
Wilson Wilson said:
No, it builds tolerance and dependence way too quickly, you'd just replace one habit with another.

You want a long half-life benzo for tapering such as diazepam, or if you are limited to RCs then diclazepam.
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1mg Diclazepam = 1 mg Diazepam?

JJ


EDIT: I just have to laugh: "limited to RCs"? :D I have tendifferent bottles like one litre each, I wouldn't say this is limited :D
 
And again the question: what about Carbamazepin against seiizures during tapering down??

JJ
 
JoEhJoEh said:
1mg Diclazepam = 1 mg Diazepam?

JJ


EDIT: I just have to laugh: "limited to RCs"? :D I have tendifferent bottles like one litre each, I wouldn't say this is limited :D
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you misunderstood when he said "limited", he didn't say u have a limited supply. he meant that you're limited to just using RC benzos.
 
nznity said:
not that good, use diazepam or librium(Clordiazepoxide) those are the best meds to taper from benzos.
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NO, not just Carbamazepin additionally to Diclazepam or Oxazepam or whatever.... Like alcoholics get the first ten days - 300 mg in the morning, 300 mg in the evening. Should be really goood in avoiding seizures and I'm so scared for these things.

JJ
 
JoEhJoEh said:
NO, not just Carbamazepin additionally to Diclazepam or Oxazepam or whatever.... Like alcoholics get the first ten days - 300 mg in the morning, 300 mg in the evening. Should be really goood in avoiding seizures and I'm so scared for these things.

JJ
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yeah but carbamazepine doesn't work on gaba receptors, that's the thing so it's not gonna help you.
 
nznity said:
you misunderstood when he said "limited", he didn't say u have a limited supply. he meant that you're limited to just using RC benzos.
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The Diclazepam-bottle is still already full - some people say Clonazolam is the best thing to taper ????? I do not really believe....

JJ
 
JoEhJoEh said:
The Diclazepam-bottle is still already full - some people say Clonazolam is the best thing to taper ????? I do not really believe....

JJ
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If I may tell you my RC-Benzo-LIst could you pls tell me what would the best one to taper off?

EDIT: I just do it:

Clonazolam
Flubromazolam
Etizolam
Nitrazolam
Pagoclone
Sl-164
3-Hydroxypenazepam
Bromazolam
Pyrazolam
Bromazolam


Each in litre-Bottles.

jj
 
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