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People who have no faith

ChemicallyEnhanced said:
Right here. Never ever believed. I remember when you HAD to go to Church to get into a Catholic school (my parents consider themselves Catholic though they NEVER go to Church or pray or mention God ever) so I started going when I was like 7 and I remember the ridiculous fairytails the priest was telling and being really wide-eyed and shocked and looking around thinking "these people are fucking insane!"

"Alice found the whole thing quite amusing. She didn't know whether to laugh or cry, it was so absurd, but they all looked so grave that she did not dare laugh".

I'll change my mind if there's ever even a small but of evidence. I mean, there's no logic, evidence or proof that any of it is true. There's not anything to even suggest anything is real there, except from an old book that has been re-written, reworded and changed so much over the centuries it is almost nothing like it's origin at all.
If there is a God/Deity/Whatever, why did they let me get raped on my 13th birthday when I was a very innocent and naive kid. I may be an awful person and deserve things like that now, but I had done NOTHING wrong as a kid. Adults always described me as very good-natured and honest.
When we did the yearbook people had to say the biggest positive about you and the biggest negative. A guy came to me from the group and said "[insert name here], nobody has a bad word to say about you, what do YOU think we should put"?
I didn't deserve any of the shit that happened to me as a kid. If God or a deity does exist they're an asshole and have a lot of explaining to do when I die.
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" I believe in myselfe" and that had 2 be an alice in wonderland quote, i hate religion in rehab i refered to the bible as a selfe help book
 
sewerslide.666mg said:
" I believe in myselfe" and that had 2 be an alice in wonderland quote, i hate religion in rehab i refered to the bible as a selfe help book
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Yes, it is xD
I've got at least half a dozen really good quotes from that that relate to my eating disorder/addiction/BPD in different ways. Like, I used to think of "Life was so much simpler, thought poor Alice, when one wasn't always growing larger and smaller" when I had the eating disorders.
 
I believe in things ordinary people cannot see and many even deny.

So yes I do have faith.

Not in a Supreme Creator deity though.

Lol I am ordinary I mean I can't see what I believe I just am not a common doubter of the metaphysical.

Shady's Fox said:
Because these type of people are realist, they live in reality. Where these things will never exist. Because these type of people aren't bored because we have real things to worry about. Like.. what we gonna eat tonight, what we gonna do tonight, so on. These things don't require a logical person who lives in reality to think just to get the other one out of the fantasy that he's in, you can only make it out by yourself. You have to understand that if such things as "Afterlife'' would exist, then no one would be alive.
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That is one way to see it.

I do know logical people of faith.

Are you saying you understand reality completely?

Interesting view of afterlife. So does that mean reincarnation exists?
 
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Shady's Fox said:
Because these type of people are realist, they live in reality. Where these things will never exist. Because these type of people aren't bored because we have real things to worry about. Like.. what we gonna eat tonight, what we gonna do tonight, so on. These things don't require a logical person who lives in reality to think just to get the other one out of the fantasy that he's in, you can only make it out by yourself. You have to understand that if such things as "Afterlife'' would exist, then no one would be alive.
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That is one way to see it.

I know logical people of faith though.

Are you saying you understand reality completey?
 
Zopiclone bandit said:
I'm just curious what made people so sure that nothing else is one the other side & why you have NO faith in anything when we die.
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I was once a Christian, and it was largely my drive to prove my religion true and to be unafraid to question the truth that ultimately led me to question religion entirely.

Now I'm curious what makes religious people so sure of an afterlife, and even what makes anyone assume that there is something to come after death. It seems a curious thing to me now, as there seems to be an assumption in supernatural existence despite not being able to detect with any of our senses, nor measure with any device, nor see any real evidence of it's existence- yet religious beliefs almost seem to be natural assumptions for many humans. I know when I was told I needed to "turn to god" when I was a misguided teen in an emotional crisis, it made sense to me despite not knowing what it even begins to mean.

Looking back, I didn't believe in religion because of overwhelming evidence, much of the opposite- believing in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary(or complete lack of evidence altogether). And the reality of religion, or any belief system that requires "faith" is that the same is true- belief in something despite lacking evidence or proof. It's the basis of all "faith" based beliefs, because if there were evidence there wouldn't be any use for faith.
 
Damn. You people have way more faith than I. I think these weird gods control parts of the Earth. It's not all black and white

See I don't think we are privileged enough to be alone, but we are alone in the sense that we have free will
 
Gormur said:
Damn. You people have way more faith than I. I think these weird gods control parts of the Earth. It's not all black and white

See I don't think we are privileged enough to be alone, but we are alone in the sense that we have free will
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The theory that different god's control different parts of the earth would make more sense and lend some credibility to it.allah:middle East,garnesh and Vishnu: India,Jesus: Europe and the western world,buddha: Tibet etc etc but not one of the organised religions tolerates the recognition of another god and Christianity and Catholicism downright
say there god created the world and anything else is wrong.so the chance of different god's with different parts of the world is a long shot.it makes sense but it just doesn't seem likely.
and the whole concept of a "god" just seems like a human construct.a way of explaining the unexplainable or the unimaginable.from god's actions and rules it sounds like god is a very hateful, spiteful intolerant human.not godlike at all.
 
Mafioso said:
I was once a Christian, and it was largely my drive to prove my religion true and to be unafraid to question the truth that ultimately led me to question religion entirely.

Now I'm curious what makes religious people so sure of an afterlife, and even what makes anyone assume that there is something to come after death. It seems a curious thing to me now, as there seems to be an assumption in supernatural existence despite not being able to detect with any of our senses, nor measure with any device, nor see any real evidence of it's existence- yet religious beliefs almost seem to be natural assumptions for many humans. I know when I was told I needed to "turn to god" when I was a misguided teen in an emotional crisis, it made sense to me despite not knowing what it even begins to mean.

Looking back, I didn't believe in religion because of overwhelming evidence, much of the opposite- believing in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary(or complete lack of evidence altogether). And the reality of religion, or any belief system that requires "faith" is that the same is true- belief in something despite lacking evidence or proof. It's the basis of all "faith" based beliefs, because if there were evidence there wouldn't be any use for faith.
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They turned a hope to a faith because man is the most insecure and weak animal on the planet.

They are the many who let their tribal instinct override their view of reality.

That is the curse of supernatural thinking.

They will not tell their genocidal God that his morals are garbage.

Regards
DL
 
Gormur said:
Damn. You people have way more faith than I. I think these weird gods control parts of the Earth. It's not all black and white

See I don't think we are privileged enough to be alone, but we are alone in the sense that we have free will
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Yes, with its limits.

As Socrates said, there is no freedom with his question. Who will make your shoes?

We are all in this together, alone.

Regards
DL
 
draculic acid69 said:
The theory that different god's control different parts of the earth would make more sense and lend some credibility to it.allah:middle East,garnesh and Vishnu: India,Jesus: Europe and the western world,buddha: Tibet etc etc but not one of the organised religions tolerates the recognition of another god and Christianity and Catholicism downright
say there god created the world and anything else is wrong.so the chance of different god's with different parts of the world is a long shot.it makes sense but it just doesn't seem likely.
and the whole concept of a "god" just seems like a human construct.a way of explaining the unexplainable or the unimaginable.from god's actions and rules it sounds like god is a very hateful, spiteful intolerant human.not godlike at all.
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I agree and put that theme in an O.P. on electing a god. I will post it soon.

Regards
DL
 
Zopiclone bandit said:
Since being a really small kid I've had faith in a higher force & beings
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I am like this also and more recently in life I have been getting very many 'memories' of events from before when I was born, and even dating back to the beginning of time - before the existence of the physical universe.
 
To answer your last three questions

a) faith is the believing in something without proper evidence
b) basic scientific literacy
c) I dont make anything of people who have faith. I'd rather perceive them holistically as opposed to dividing them into quarters and tenth's.
 
Gloomp said:
To answer your last three questions

a) faith is the believing in something without proper evidence
b) basic scientific literacy
c) I dont make anything of people who have faith. I'd rather perceive them holistically as opposed to dividing them into quarters and tenth's.
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You are turning your back on a lot of religious harm to society.

Insert gays and women harmed by homophobic and misogynous religions to this quote. You should get an idea of what you should be doing with the homophobic and misogynous mainstream religions if you live by the golden rule.

Please get back to me with your conclusion.

Martin Niemöller
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Regards
DL
 
I think it's just a case of judging an ideology as a whole differently than judging the individuals who ended up in that ideology.
 
Xorkoth said:
I think it's just a case of judging an ideology as a whole differently than judging the individuals who ended up in that ideology.
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Institutions cannot hate, but they sure can train their sheeple to hate and discriminate without a just cause.

To forgive either is an injustice to the victims of those vile religions.

Regards
DL
 
Without forgiveness of others, the world is doomed to endless warfare and hatred. The vast majority of people just want what is best for themselves and their loved ones. To hate them and cast them down for acting in fear is will only lead to more suffering. Only with understanding will we ever ascend beyond this hatred, and only with acceptance can there be understanding.
 
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