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IMO that is just the point in 2005 when you burned out your receptors.
No that’s not correct at all. 2005 I was struck by Lyme Disease, allergic to everything suddenly, debilitated by chronic fatigue and unable to maintain any social life.
 

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I haven’t ruled that out at all. We are all our own unique lifelong algebra of influences and indidividual,Constitution.

however regardless of that it was really that simple little tick bite and consequence bacterial infection invading my entire nervous system and brain which sent things into such disarray and it’s worth saying that my case is not unique at all people who have never touched a drug and I’ve been completely healthy successful married advanced careers have experienced similar degrees Of having their life totally ripped away from them to the point where they are affectively bedridden and incapable of anything other than survival this is precisely why you don’t really hear from such people because they are simply too debilitated to be active and communicable unlike myself fortunately.

So I’m not disagreeing with your suggestion at all just making the point that regardless of that true full blown Lyme disease is capable by it self off the full works I have suffered myself regardless of drugtaking and general health and neurological status prior to infection.
Certainly, agree 100%, no doubt whatsoever

I also think there's a decent-to-good chance that your self-admittedly huge mdma intake for many years previously did a massive number on your cns and/or immune system, but yeah we'll never know
 

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I guess I wasn't in the minority on that. Come to think of I'm pretty sure I like Methylone better than coke too. But coke is easier to keep doing.....

Oh methylone is much better than coke. Though actual good, pure cocaine is a MUCH better drug than the bullshit that is around these days. Coke has never been worse than it is now, in fact I would bet money that most younger coke users literally do not know what good coke is, the best they've had is still bullshit. It's been years and years since I've seen even decent domestic coke. Nothing I've had in the past 6 or 7 years has even produced more than the slightest bit of numbing.

So being such a too and well thought out sounding board, yourself, I wonder if you have any thoughts on my suggestion or observations, seeing as you still take (MDMA ??) about the widespread avalance,of MEHDMA being linked to the level and nature of comedown.

I'm not sure. I am not willing to discount the huge number of reports (plus people like Buzz's friend who had their first experience recently and found it boring, lol, real MDMA the first time is anything but boring). My early experiences were absolutely magical, and I haven't done a ton of MDMA, but on the other hand I have done a shit ton of drugs and a lot of serotonin releasers in general. I could accept that I am somewhat burned out for sure. But it does seem like there is something else going on. Add to that the undeniable fact that street drug quality across the board has tanked, and I have little trouble believing that much of the MDMA around is either cleverly misrepresented or highly impure, or perhaps there is a problem with the predominant synth route that lead to some factors that produce an inferior product. I don't know. There is the issue of ratio of isomers that can explain differences, and then there is polymorphism, which many people try to categorically state makes no difference, but that's nonsense IMO. There is an HIV drug that has several crystal polymorphisms, and only one of them works against HIV, so right there is smoking gun proof that polymorphism makes a dramatic difference in at least one drug.

In general we like to think we know everything about everything, but in fact we likely have an incomplete picture of drug pharmacology. In fact I am certain of that. We don't know what we don't know.
 

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Oh methylone is much better than coke. Though actual good, pure cocaine is a MUCH better drug than the bullshit that is around these days. Coke has never been worse than it is now, in fact I would bet money that most younger coke users literally do not know what good coke is, the best they've had is still bullshit. It's been years and years since I've seen even decent domestic coke. Nothing I've had in the past 6 or 7 years has even produced more than the slightest bit of numbing.

I never knew what good coke was until I found a very highly rated vendor and batch of cocaine on the darknet in 2017. Wow, that stuff was amazing, like a totally different drug.

What blew my mind even more, was when I got some cocaine in Houston, TX from a friend later that year, and it was 2-3x better than even the darknet stuff had been. It was so good, a friend and I were delayed going to an afterparty for 3 hours, because we decided to try a bump before we left, and then felt so good, that we just didn't care to go to the party. It was exactly like the most exaggerated movies make cocaine out to be. The both of us jumping up and down, growling/yelling in excitement, flexing our muscles, and at one point, enthusiastically dropping to the floor for pushups, that we subsequently got so stoked on because of how good it felt.
 

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What blew my mind even more, was when I got some cocaine in Houston, TX from a friend later that year, and it was 2-3x better than even the darknet stuff had been. It was so good, a friend and I were delayed going to an afterparty for 3 hours, because we decided to try a bump before we left, and then felt so good, that we just didn't care to go to the party. It was exactly like the most exaggerated movies make cocaine out to be. The both of us jumping up and down, growling/yelling in excitement, flexing our muscles, and at one point, enthusiastically dropping to the floor for pushups, that we subsequently got so stoked on because of how good it felt.

My coke years in the early 80's were in Houston TX. The stuff comes right up from South America. When I was in Costa Rica the coke was cheap and plentiful too. I had some regular coke one time and all it did was make me jittery and nervous. But the coke in Houston was top notch. For two years I got mine from a rodeo trophy winner (lol) who had a lot of money and connects for that good coke. It was at that time I saw the pink flake too. But Houston had the coke before it was stepped on and it was clean.
 

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Jealous.... I hate the coke that's around, literally cut to shit. When dealers offer like 4 different batches as well, you know something's up =D
 

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My coke years in the early 80's were in Houston TX. The stuff comes right up from South America. When I was in Costa Rica the coke was cheap and plentiful too. I had some regular coke one time and all it did was make me jittery and nervous. But the coke in Houston was top notch. For two years I got mine from a rodeo trophy winner (lol) who had a lot of money and connects for that good coke. It was at that time I saw the pink flake too. But Houston had the coke before it was stepped on and it was clean.

Man, I bet those were some wonderful times. Texas has had it surprisingly good drug wise. I never really realized until a few years ago that Dallas and the Starck Club were pretty much ground zero for recreational MDMA, and that it became a club drug almost solely from the Starck Club. My aunt went to some of those nights and told me about it once. She says she'll never forget the love and magic that she felt during those times.

But yea, I was told that the stuff I received in Houston was basically straight off the boat, and I have no real reason to doubt that statement.
 

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Actually at the risk of sounding repetative I am sure I put in the MDMA thread my years were 83-85. It was legal, streaming in from San Marcos (?) and said to be pharmacutical (whatever that meant). It was said to be used in therapy before the 1985 ban. But pills were standard 120 mgs of genuine MDMA. So for two years I did it about every weekend. It was all the rage at the Universities and said to be distributed in bars in Houston. MDE too. The first time I took MDMA I was at work at the family as station and I noticed the customers I hated in the past I loved that day.lol

I have only had "MDMA" twice since 1985, both times genuine but light, about 75 mgs a pill. I understand now it is a whole different ball game which is a shame. I always wanted to do some with my wife but I need genuine.
 
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I was in the same boat for a bit concerning coke. I just never really got the hype. Then I had a bump in New Orleans that was better than all the coke I had ever had, combined.
 

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Yeah good coke is not the same drug at all as the bullshit you mostly see other than in the countries it is from (Peru, etc). My bandmate loves coke and I've tried so many batches of his that he gets, he will be absolutely raving that it's some of the best he's ever had and it doesn't even numb my throat. I'm like... dude, you know coke numbs you, right? He's like nah,. that's only when they add lidocaine to it. I'm like no man, pure cocaine numbs you up so much. One little bump of good coke makes my whole throat and face numb, and it's like the most clean, wholesome loving feeling of power and euphoria. Really lovely, but I haven't seen good coke in years. The shit we get around here is really expensive and probably has like 10% cocaine in it at best, if there's any in it at all.
 

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I have heard some of my friends have that exact same conversation.
I was never all that in to Coke so I never had much to say about it. Although I got an Oz of pretty damn good (but not amazing) coke in CO and managed to go through it all while on a 2 week vacation.
It was my real Colorado experience; mountains, snowboarding, blow and bluegrass!
 

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Actually at the risk of sounding repetative I am sure I put in the MDMA thread my years were 83-85. It was legal, streaming in from San Marcos (?) and said to be pharmacutical (whatever that meant). It was said to be used in therapy before the 1985 ban. But pills were standard 120 mgs of genuine MDMA. So for two years I did it about every weekend. It was all the rage at the Universities and said to be distributed in bars in Houston. MDE too. The first time I took MDMA I was at work at the family as station and I noticed the customers I hated in the past I loved that day.lol

I have only had "MDMA" twice since 1985, both times genuine but light, about 75 mgs a pill. I understand now it is a whole different ball game which is a shame. I always wanted to do some with my wife but I need genuine.

From what I understand, MDMA usage started in NYC and somewhere in California, probably SF, in mostly therapeutic contexts. Then once it got to Texas, it started being used recreationally. It still blows my mind that it was legal for less than a year before it was emergency banned.

I'm trying to remember where I read the really in depth history of MDMA that I am trying to pull from...
 

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Yeah good coke is not the same drug at all as the bullshit you mostly see other than in the countries it is from (Peru, etc). My bandmate loves coke and I've tried so many batches of his that he gets, he will be absolutely raving that it's some of the best he's ever had and it doesn't even numb my throat. I'm like... dude, you know coke numbs you, right? He's like nah,. that's only when they add lidocaine to it. I'm like no man, pure cocaine numbs you up so much. One little bump of good coke makes my whole throat and face numb, and it's like the most clean, wholesome loving feeling of power and euphoria. Really lovely, but I haven't seen good coke in years. The shit we get around here is really expensive and probably has like 10% cocaine in it at best, if there's any in it at all.
same here expect its like even more expensive with fuck all coke in it. but just the other week i noticed a flood of it around supposedly off the brick peruivan coke which is fucking bullshit lol. No one sells coke uncut unless its south america or if your best friend is a cocaine drug lord with the precut coke.

so i have weighed up everything for this upcoming trip now. both will take 50 ug and just let it flow i guess probably good for a solid walk. Felt like 50 ug was alot safer than 100 ug. because 100 ug can be mind blowing and you never know how somebody is going to react to acid their first time.
 

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Oh methylone is much better than coke. Though actual good, pure cocaine is a MUCH better drug than the bullshit that is around these days. Coke has never been worse than it is now, in fact I would bet money that most younger coke users literally do not know what good coke is, the best they've had is still bullshit. It's been years and years since I've seen even decent domestic coke. Nothing I've had in the past 6 or 7 years has even produced more than the slightest bit of numbing.



I'm not sure. I am not willing to discount the huge number of reports (plus people like Buzz's friend who had their first experience recently and found it boring, lol, real MDMA the first time is anything but boring). My early experiences were absolutely magical, and I haven't done a ton of MDMA, but on the other hand I have done a shit ton of drugs and a lot of serotonin releasers in general. I could accept that I am somewhat burned out for sure. But it does seem like there is something else going on. Add to that the undeniable fact that street drug quality across the board has tanked, and I have little trouble believing that much of the MDMA around is either cleverly misrepresented or highly impure, or perhaps there is a problem with the predominant synth route that lead to some factors that produce an inferior product. I don't know. There is the issue of ratio of isomers that can explain differences, and then there is polymorphism, which many people try to categorically state makes no difference, but that's nonsense IMO. There is an HIV drug that has several crystal polymorphisms, and only one of them works against HIV, so right there is smoking gun proof that polymorphism makes a dramatic difference in at least one drug.

In general we like to think we know everything about everything, but in fact we likely have an incomplete picture of drug pharmacology. In fact I am certain of that. We don't know what we don't know.
Actually, I had some pretty "decent" coke here in the USA recently, off the street even, definitely real as compared to what I sampled in peru, Mexico, Panama, etc. Maybe only 30% pure at most, but didn't *seem* cut with too many active cuts.
 

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Yeah good coke is not the same drug at all as the bullshit you mostly see other than in the countries it is from (Peru, etc). My bandmate loves coke and I've tried so many batches of his that he gets, he will be absolutely raving that it's some of the best he's ever had and it doesn't even numb my throat. I'm like... dude, you know coke numbs you, right? He's like nah,. that's only when they add lidocaine to it. I'm like no man, pure cocaine numbs you up so much. One little bump of good coke makes my whole throat and face numb, and it's like the most clean, wholesome loving feeling of power and euphoria. Really lovely, but I haven't seen good coke in years. The shit we get around here is really expensive and probably has like 10% cocaine in it at best, if there's any in it at all.
And really good pure coke is not that numbing to where it would reach your throat, just your nose, ime, thats likely another *Caine cut
 
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