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⫸STICKY⫷ PD Social Distancing Talk Thread: Swirly Congregation That's 100% Pandemic-Proof

PYTH

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I strongly, strongly disagree that there's some big conspiracy to cull the population or tank the world economy.

'Conspiracies' do of course exist, but generally they're right in front our faces, reported plainly in the mainstream nightly news, and seem unremarkable because we're so used to them. People are exceptionally bad at keeping secrets. The more complex the conspiracy is the less likely it is to be both true and unknown.

There have been far worse pandemics with much smaller and less dense world populations, it's a miracle it's been this long.

One of the things we're seeing right now that makes things seem particularly unhinged is that human brains and social behaviors didn't evolve to communicate the way we do online now, so this global flow of nonstop information via social media, comments sections, forums, etc. has truly fucked the way we process subjective 'truth' and interpersonal communication. It's like a global brain trying and spectacularly failing to make sense of reality.

We're also seeing the great, profoundly poorly regulated global capitalist experiment come apart at the seams with wealth becoming ludicrously consolidated to a very few at an alarming rate (being further funneled upwards by this virus) and the care of the Earth itself and its peoples left festering somewhere at the bottom of a shitbucket.

Since the wealthy and powerful will aggressively use their wealth and power to maintain their status quo, yes, we're hurtling towards a profoundly ugly endgame.

TLDR: no on virus conspiracies, yes on things rapidly going completely to hell with no fix in sight.

edit: to clarify I don't want to argue about the truthfulness / possibility of virus-y or any other conspiracies, to each their own if no harm's done, was just stating my own belief.
 
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One of the things we're seeing right now that makes things seem particularly unhinged is that human brains and social behaviors didn't evolve to communicate the way we do online now, so this global flow of nonstop information via social media, comments sections, forums, etc. has truly fucked the way we process subjective 'truth' and interpersonal communication. It's like a global brain trying and spectacularly failing to make sense of reality.
I see this view advertised a lot, but is modern digital communication really any worse than being stuck with whatever information can travel by word of mouth or horseback? People have found ways to peddle nonsense ideas since time began. Look no further than the Salem witch trials.
 

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IMO it's worse, but only because it so easily allows for echo chambers. Anyone with any crazy idea can immediately find a community of people with the same idea and it makes any idea seem legitimate... at your fingertips is any amount of "information" supporting basically any idea you might have. And also refuting counterclaims. Of course, at the same time, it is impossible to be as insulated as it once was. So maybe it evens out. But I tend to think in that sense, the Internet has provided a negative feedback loop to craziness.
 

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Yes, the difference is a massive amplification of speed and scale.

There can be good in that too, but we'll also have to live with the bad.

edit: but yes, definitely, the core impulse is nothing new. We communicate ideas by storytelling and word of mouth. In this age of science, et al, we're told there are objective truths, but...
I see this view advertised a lot, but is modern digital communication really any worse than being stuck with whatever information can travel by word of mouth or horseback? People have found ways to peddle nonsense ideas since time began. Look no further than the Salem witch trials.
 
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I have wondered at times in the past whether Bluelight itself is somewhat of a pro-drug echo chamber. Maybe, but I am genuinely passionate about psychedelics regardless of how much time I spend on the internet, so I'm not worried about being terribly influenced.

That society and culture are deteriorating seems to be a perennial theme of human perspective. Trump's entire campaign slogan, "make America great again", appealed to this sentiment. So I'm always very skeptical whenever I see people complaining about the evils of technology.
 
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edit: removed, I don't want to be too cranky and divisive in the PD talk thread ;), but yeah, agreed, it goes both ways.

That society and culture are deteriorating seems to be a perennial theme of human perspective. Trump's entire campaign slogan, "make America great again", appealed to this sentiment. So I'm always very skeptical whenever I see people complaining about the evils of technology.
 
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Post on reddit included something said by an actual researcher studying RCs:


This resonates so well with me. Like every word, the trying out, analyzing ánd discussing.
Yeah, I think there's a lot to how some people develop a deep relationship with their psychedelic space of choice. For me, I'm quite interested in how the subtle differences between them give me insight into the subtle differences between states of consciousness. When I reflect on how I feel throughout experiences on oral 5-MeO-MiPT, smoked DMT, rectal 2C-B-FLY, and insufflated 4C-D, it seems wrong to refer to those states all with the uniform term "psychedelic." How then to parse the differences between states that are ephemeral, fluid, subjective, and individual?

As more and more people explore psychedelics, assumptions will be made that other psychedelics will just be palette swaps of the familiar ones. It would be foolish to write off what we can learn from what the differences between them teach us.
 
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As more and more people explore psychedelics, assumptions will be made that other psychedelics will just be palette swaps of the familiar ones. It would be foolish to write off what we can learn from what the differences between them teach us.
Agreed, there is, or has been, a school of thought that I now think of as old-fashioned and archaic, among old-school psychonauts that there is basically no difference between psychedelics, and thus, no point to exploring novel ones. But I find this extremely incorrect. Even among substances in the same family, like 2C-B cs 2C-E, there are huge differences, let alone between much more dissimilar ones.
 

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Just accidentally spilled 2-3 ounces of Kratom behind the dirty ass dresser all over the carpet. It's a really bad situation as in using it to kick my addiction to harder Opioids. Thankfully I still have like 8 ounces here and up north another 24 ounces. Still fucked cuz the Vendor isn't cheap I use and im not working right now so I don't have extra cash to just be throwing out the damn windows. I wanted to cry when I dropped the package from up high and it someone how opened from the pressure falling....booosh.....
 

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a tasting from the : SwiRLy ZoNe



Mandarin's, Peanut Butter, Peaches, Cherries, Frosted Flakes, Black and White Cookies, Runts, Everlasting Gobstoppers, Nutty Bars, Grape Jelly and Hickory Brown Sugar BBQ sauce.

Yes, this recipe was found in a galaxy far, far away. It hijacks the taste buds and suicide bombs the fuck out you with flavors of our wacky dimension. What a gift it is to have so many things to work with, sky is the limit.
 
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a tasting from the : SwiRLy ZoNe



Mandarin's, Peanut Butter, Peaches, Cherries, Frosted Flakes, Black and White Cookies, Runts, Everlasting Gobstoppers, Nutty Bars, Grape Jelly and Hickory Brown Sugar BBQ sauce.

Yes, this recipe was found in a galaxy far, far away. It hijacks the taste buds and suicide bombs the fuck out you with flavors of our wacky dimension. What a gift it is to have so many things to work with, sky is the limit.
I think I got a cavity just from looking at that, but now I want some!
🥜🎂🍭🍪
 

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Not unlike the calories one shares with the Amanita mycelium if one reconstructs the Holy Grail following Teeter's instructions.

Superdiabeticalifractalisticalidocious! :D
 

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Planned on ordering some DPT today but the vendor I was eyeing for months is suddenly refusing orders. Another vendor isn't letting me log-in to my account anymore. Are things that bad now with the virus? I haven't been keeping up but I realized it must be hard to ship anything right now. Thought about trying Phenibut for the first time. Was all ready to order a sample then I saw the minimum to have it shipped to me if I want tracking. Fuck that. The only way I could justify that is bulk and I'm not about to do bulk on something I don't even know I'd like.

I checked the place with Iboga I'd been eyeing as well and it has just vanished. I should have stocked up on that while I could because I really want to attempt it now that I've been flirting with kratom and have my own house. I really fucked up with the kratom. It isn't as bad as my opioid habits but I can already see a problem developing. I don't know why I keep going back to the same place expecting something different to happen.

I suppose it's for the best. Guess I'll just save my money aka continue spending it on kratom.
 
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The characterization he gave of (some) RC users was of an "experience junkie", hooked not on the drug itself, but on the sensation of trying out, analyzing and discussing the high compared to another chemical cousin.
There is definitely something very appealing about distinguishing the finer details of various aesthetic pleasures, whether food, art, or drugs. If I liked alcohol more, I would surely be a wine snob (instead, I'm a tea snob).

However, I agree with Xorkoth that there are nonetheless very real and important distinctions between all the various molecular permutations. If Shulgin's whole repertoire suddenly disappeared, leaving behind only the old guard of LSD, mushrooms, et al., I could live with it, but I'd be really, really sad, because my favorite drugs by far are all Shulgin creations.

When I reflect on how I feel throughout experiences on oral 5-MeO-MiPT, smoked DMT, rectal 2C-B-FLY, and insufflated 4C-D, it seems wrong to refer to those states all with the uniform term "psychedelic." How then to parse the differences between states that are ephemeral, fluid, subjective, and individual?
I think the existing research on serotonin provides some really fascinating clues into possible ways to generalize its function (and therefore the action of drugs that target 5-HT receptors). I was just recently skimming through some of the research cited by the Wikipedia article on serotonin. This study basically shows that, in nematodes, 5-HT causes behaviors associated with food abundance (increased feeding and fat metabolism). It got me thinking: does the growing mental health crisis seen in affluent countries like America result from a disparity between our instincts, which evolved to work in the context of relative scarcity, and our rather sudden (in the context of evolutionary history) wealth?

You could certainly argue that obesity is caused by a misperception of food availability, on some basic biological level at least. Serotonin is critical in modulating appetite, which is why obesity was treated with fenfluramine before we discovered the cardiac side effects. Do mental illnesses like anxiety and depression also result from something that could be described as a false perception of scarcity? Depression is associated with persistent negative self-beliefs. Perhaps the therapeutic value of serotonergic drugs for these mental illnesses would actually be not entirely dissimilar from the therapeutic value of anorexic drugs like fenfluramine, in that they correct a basic misperception of resource availability: in the case of anorexics, the resource in question is calories; in the case of antidepressants, the resource might be something more abstract like creativity or social status.
 

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There is definitely something very appealing about distinguishing the finer details of various aesthetic pleasures, whether food, art, or drugs. If I liked alcohol more, I would surely be a wine snob (instead, I'm a tea snob).

However, I agree with Xorkoth that there are nonetheless very real and important distinctions between all the various molecular permutations. If Shulgin's whole repertoire suddenly disappeared, leaving behind only the old guard of LSD, mushrooms, et al., I could live with it, but I'd be really, really sad, because my favorite drugs by far are all Shulgin creations.


I think the existing research on serotonin provides some really fascinating clues into possible ways to generalize its function (and therefore the action of drugs that target 5-HT receptors). I was just recently skimming through some of the research cited by the Wikipedia article on serotonin. This study basically shows that, in nematodes, 5-HT causes behaviors associated with food abundance (increased feeding and fat metabolism). It got me thinking: does the growing mental health crisis seen in affluent countries like America result from a disparity between our instincts, which evolved to work in the context of relative scarcity, and our rather sudden (in the context of evolutionary history) wealth?

You could certainly argue that obesity is caused by a misperception of food availability, on some basic biological level at least. Serotonin is critical in modulating appetite, which is why obesity was treated with fenfluramine before we discovered the cardiac side effects. Do mental illnesses like anxiety and depression also result from something that could be described as a false perception of scarcity? Depression is associated with persistent negative self-beliefs. Perhaps the therapeutic value of serotonergic drugs for these mental illnesses would actually be not entirely dissimilar from the therapeutic value of anorexic drugs like fenfluramine, in that they correct a basic misperception of resource availability: in the case of anorexics, the resource in question is calories; in the case of antidepressants, the resource might be something more abstract like creativity or social status.
If I remember correctly something like 90% of the body’s serotonin is in the gut. The enteric nervous system uitlizes it extensively. The gut brain axis is a really cool new area of research all about this sort of thing. When way too many people in the US eat shit food then yeah we’re gonna feel like shit too. Since switching to a plant based diet about a year ago my moods are infinitely better than they ever were. Whole, unrefined, natural foods cannot be beat
 
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