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Covid-19 Outbreak of new SARS-like coronavirus (Covid-19)

DopeM

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I'm not rly excited for the wife to go back to work. School is gonna be a shitshow this year.

They are starting fully remote and easing into some sort of hybrid schedule which ~50% of filied have opted out of.

Having watched how it played out at the end of year last year I expect it will take them until next January to have the hybrid stuff somewhat figured out and comfortable.
They expect the teachers to wear a mask at a times (lmao) and they no longer have their own classroom. Instead they are using carts to go from room to room where there are 13 students per class who stay in that class all day (lmao)
 

novaveritas

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No replies in this thread in nigh a week? Are we cured? Nay, politics (and violence) have stolen the headlines, but the virus remains.

Has anyone noticed (or heard it touched on at all by MSM) that in the US the number of cases has been in steady decline since mid-July? Or that deaths peaked on their second mini-wave about 2w ago. Things are getting better here. You wouldn't know it from the news, but they are.
The propaganda has served its purpose, people are arguing over minutiae about masks, about schools whether 2m is better than 1m, and the omnipresent irrational fear of an underperforming doom-virus is thoroughly embedded in the psychology of the populous. This was never about a coronavirus.

The useful idiots (we know who has shown their colors here too) have not kept pushing, why one wonders? do they have or will they have eventually, an uneasy feeling in the back of their minds they were manipulated and having bought into the bullshit are feeling sheepish? Or have they realized there is no logical end to it? So let's all pretend. pretend that lockdown and any of the other NPIs slavishly followed by the NPCs makes any positive difference, that governments didn't do some really dumb shit, and leave it there.

In the long run people will screw their fucking heads back on. Those that kept their heads when all around lost theirs, are just going to patiently wait for the rest of the people to catch up, because whether you individually have your head screwed on or not is no concern of mine. People go insane in groups but return to sanity individually and it is a slow process.

It is pointless to argue with idiots, they will exhaust you, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. There is no argument to be won, I may be right and you may be the idiot or vice versa but what difference does it make?

Eventually people will be widely asking the important questions, which is was it worth killing people with lockdowns by destroying the healthcare infrastructure and delivery of entire countries on the basis of highly suspect and dubious evidence peddled by highly suspect people working at highly compromised organizations. We have the answer and it doesn't look good for the technocrats and their bought and paid for scientists.

The abuse of science leads to the biggest casualty of this debacle. The damage that will have the most lasting deleterious effect is the willful destruction of proper science, which has been smothered to death by suffocating consensus group-think fake-science, institutional government science, which is more of a cult religion than anything else.
Doubting 'experts' is the very essence of the scientific creed, nullis in verba, take no ones word , which means put up (the evidence) or shut up.
The counter accusation is that if you call bullshit on bullshit science you are anti-science, which is patently untrue and a betrayal of the core philosophy.

Real scientists and I know plenty, are like beaten but loyal dogs. They just keep coming back knowing they are going to be beaten mercilessly again. The idea will not die but the lesson from history is that this repression can go on for centuries. Real Science is a state of mind, an approach, a way of thinking, it does have to reside in temples (universities) overseen by a priest class (anointed scientific experts). I have posted numerous times about this, long before Covid, but this is really really important because it for good or evil it will impact all of your lives.

I expect the MSM fear mongering and doom peddling to ramp up when pharma have their new vaccines to sell to a reluctant consumer, the technocrats have tracking tools to deploy and the politicians have more power to grab. The media are bought and paid for, so they play what ever tune their owner tells them to play, but it is more insidious than that, as a rule journalists are exceptionally lazy and usually just quote each other so a well placed article is magnified and spreads virally through the media. This is no surprise to anyone who knows how things really work.

Welcome to the new normal, it is neither new nor normal but there it is.
 
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DopeM

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You bring up some great points there.

Notably the nullis in verba, as a concept I'm trying to fit into my toddlers world view and struggling with how I am going to tell her to think for herself and not take authority at it's given word all while trying to maintain authority in her life lmao.

You are correct about the fact that there is pressure to think a certain way in those professions (scientifist and journalists). Now I don't know the intricacies of the matter, maybe it is as insidious as you make it sound, but I tend to think most scientists take that Creed very seriously and respect the scientific process.


While journalism and investigative work seems to be slowly dying off in favor of click bait and flashy headlines - there are still many who take the profession very seriously and want to get it right. Sure there are some lazy ones who take one outlets info and spins it their way only to find out a week after printing that the outlet they got their quip from was completely wrong...

It is strange to see as the bigger and more important an organization or group get, the further they stray from their true purpose
 

JessFR

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No replies in this thread in nigh a week? Are we cured? Nay, politics (and violence) have stolen the headlines, but the virus remains.

Has anyone noticed (or heard it touched on at all by MSM) that in the US the number of cases has been in steady decline since mid-July? Or that deaths peaked on their second mini-wave about 2w ago. Things are getting better here. You wouldn't know it from the news, but they are.
That might not mean much if testing has gone down by similar numbers on similar time frames. A very quick search suggests that might indeed be the case.

Real or statistical artifact though, lots of media coverage or little. This isn't even remotely close to being over.
 

novaveritas

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That might not mean much if testing has gone down by similar numbers on similar time frames. A very quick search suggests that might indeed be the case.
The corollary to your statement is the more you test the more positives you see, what does that tell you about the value of these test results for determining the bigger picture situation?

Cases (emotive term implying pathology) IMHO are not people pinging (a single fallable) positive test result with all the sampling bias and errors inherent in that. Calling a positive test result a case is not particularly helpful because that brackets a bunch of different situations together but it does keep the narrative going....for a bit.

You are right this is not over because a lot of people are still irrationally afraid of the boogievirus and seeking confirmation of their fear which the media is more than happy to feed. This coronavirus is not going away, lockdown, social distancing, pockets full of posies, masks, vaccine or no vaccine it will pop up here and there possibly dropping some people and we need to be able to cope with that truth.
Looks to me that Australia and NZ are doing a useful experiment demonstrating that general lockdown is ineffective and disproportionate to the risks. What works to reduce mortality is not shipping infectious coronavirus patients into nursing homes, locking up a random bunch of people doesn't.

I am waiting for the deafening group-think clamor for mandatory Covid vaccines for the greater good and so forth when it is abundantly clear that none of the current vaccine will produce the unfortunately named sterilizing immunity.
 
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Getting to the point ...
That might not mean much if testing has gone down by similar numbers on similar time frames. A very quick search suggests that might indeed be the case.
This site has a dynamic and filterable graph, so I can't copy past the image. However, as you state, the testing is riding a similar wave of peaked and now declining total tests daily.

Real or statistical artifact though, lots of media coverage or little. This isn't even remotely close to being over.
I'm awaiting traditional flu season to see what sort of second (third? fourth?) wind it give to Covid.
 

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Fauci Says It Could Be a Year Before Theater Without Masks Feels Normal

Dr. Anthony Fauci said a vaccine would need to exist for nearly a year before people might feel comfortable returning to theaters unmasked, which he said would likely be mid- to late 2021.

Broadway theaters have been closed since March 12. Some productions have set dates to reopen in March and April 2021.Credit...David S. Allee for The New York Times
By Sarah Bahr

As theaters look to see how they might reopen with safety accommodations including mask use, Dr. Anthony Fauci says it will likely be more than a year before people feel comfortable returning to theaters without masks.
“If we get a really good vaccine and just about everybody gets vaccinated,” he said in an Instagram Live interview with Jennifer Garner on Wednesday, “you’ll have a degree of immunity in the general community that I think you can walk into a theater without a mask and feel like it’s comfortable that you’re not going to be at risk.”
He said that would likely not be until mid- to late 2021.
But that doesn’t mean he is saying when it would be safe to go to the theater without a mask. Dr. Fauci, the country’s leading infectious disease expert, clarified in a phone interview on Friday that he was referring to when people could return to theatergoing at their pre-coronavirus comfort levels. “Words like ‘safe’ are charged,” he said. “I’m talking about the general trend of when we’ll start to feel comfortable going back to normal if we get a safe and effective vaccine.”

Dr. Fauci said that although a vaccine might be available as early as the end of this year or the beginning of 2021, it would likely be well into next year before enough people were vaccinated to ensure broad protection.

But Dr. Fauci said that in green-zone areas — those with very low community transmission — indoor theaters may be able to return sooner if people wear masks. “As long as there is infection in the community, you do not want indoor spaces with crowds,” he said Friday. “But in states, cities or counties in the green zone with low levels of infection, I imagine theaters could maybe open at 25 percent capacity, with people wearing masks, sometime as early as next year.”

Experts said Dr. Fauci’s comments help set the expectation that the coronavirus will be around for some time. “We should not be thinking of the vaccine as a silver bullet,” Dr. Leana Wen, an emergency physician and public health professor at George Washington University who previously served as Baltimore’s health commissioner, said Friday. “It will take months to vaccinate hundreds of millions of people, and the vaccine may be, at best, 75 percent effective.”
Dr. Peter Hotez, the dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine, said the first vaccines “are not magic solutions.”
“So we’ll likely still need to continue masks and contact tracing,” he said.
The Broadway League said in a statement on Friday that it would continue to put the health of employees and audiences first as it works to help theaters reopen. “We are working closely with medical experts and members of Governor Cuomo’s recovery team to ensure that all proper health and safety protocols will be in place when the time comes to reopen our theaters,” it said.

Producers have said they will refund all tickets purchased for performances through Jan. 3. Some Broadway theaters are hoping to reopen as soon as March — the earliest planned opening night right now is for the Tracy Letts play “The Minutes,” which is currently set for March 15.
Two more shows, a revival of David Mamet’s play “American Buffalo” and a new show about Michael Jackson, “MJ the Musical,” aim to follow nearly a month later on April 14 and 15. The much-anticipated revival of “The Music Man,” headlined by Hugh Jackman and Sutton Foster, which was originally set for the fall, now plans to open May 20.


Fauci Admits Trump Has Been Saying Things About COVID That 'Obviously' Aren't True
BY DANIEL VILLARREAL ON 9/11/20 AT 6:06 PM EDT
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In a Friday TV interview, national infectious diseases expert Dr. Anthony Fauci said that Republican President Donald Trump's repeated declarations that COVID-19 would just disappear were "obviously" untrue based on epidemic data.

MSNBC anchorperson Andrea Mitchell asked Fauci about his disbelief that Trump had distorted key findings from the White House's COVID-19 task force in daily coronavirus briefings.
Mitchell asked Fauci if he still felt the president hadn't distorted information in light of the president's recently revealed comments to journalist Bob Woodward in which he said, "I want to always play [COVID-19] down, I still like playing it down."

"After hearing that, hearing those tapes, with him acknowledging that, do you still believe he was not trying to distort the reality?" Mitchell asked Fauci.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases, testifies before a House Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Crisis hearing on July 31, 2020 in Washington, DC.KEVIN DIETSCH-POOL/GETTY
Fauci said that he's been asked the question before and said, "There were times when I was out there telling the American public how difficult this is, how we're having a really serious problem, you know, and the president was saying it's something that's going to disappear, which obviously is not the case."

Fauci called these discrepancies "disagreements in what we say and what comes out from the White House."
However, Fauci also told Mitchell that he disagreed with Trump's comments on Thursday that the epidemic had "rounded the final turn" in the United States.

Fauci disagreed with Trump's assessment, calling the current data "disturbing."
"We're plateauing at around 40,000 cases, a day," Fauci said, "and the deaths are around 1,000."
A White House spokesperson told Newsweek, "The President is making the point that our mortality rate is going down, case numbers are going down, and that we are in a better position now than we were in at the beginning of this pandemic as it relates to PPE, therapeutics, and vaccines."

Fauci expressed particular worry that case numbers had increased nationwide following Fourth of July and Labor Day gatherings, right before the colder fall and winter months force people indoors into closer proximity with one another, something that "absolutely" helps respiratory diseases spread.
Mitchell then asked Fauci his opinion of Trump's rallies where attendees largely don't wear masks nor social distance from one another.
"If you're outdoors and you're crowded together, and you don't have a mask, the chances of a respiratory transmission of a virus, clearly, are there," Fauci said.

Mitchell then cited a recent study from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) stating that people who tested positive for COVID were twice a likely to have dined at a restaurant in the weeks before becoming sick.
Fauci reiterated his belief that the U.S. may have a vaccine before the end of the year, but added that society won't get "back to a degree of normality" until "well into 2021, maybe even towards the end of 2021" seeing as it will take time to mobilize the distribution of the vaccinations and get the majority of the population vaccinated.

Update (9/11/2020, 6:22 p.m.): This article has been updated to include a statement from the White House.
This is why Trump is a horrible person. Trump makes a comment saying "we're rounding the corner," with no context. Any average person will take that to believe we're rounding the corner on the virus.

When it reality, it's limited to something we all already know, and not rounding the corner on the virus itself:

A White House spokesperson told Newsweek, "The President is making the point that our mortality rate is going down, case numbers are going down, and that we are in a better position now than we were in at the beginning of this pandemic as it relates to PPE, therapeutics, and vaccines."
 

S.J.B.

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The number of fatalities per capita in the U.K. has now surpassed that in Italy. The only countries with more fatalities per capita than the U.K. are now Belgium, Spain, and the micro-states San Marino and Andorra.
The distribution of hardest-hit countries has changed drastically in the past few months, with the epicentre having moved largely from Western Europe toward the Americas.

Countries with over 500 cumulative fatalities per million residents (September 16th)
 
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