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Opioids Opiates to get off kratom addiction???

Jakiba

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Ok before i start i know this sounds crazy but i know my body and how determined I am to be done with kratom. I know with all my heart i wont get addicted to opiates again. I just need to know if this works. So I've done this before. But in reverse order. But kratom addiction for me has been way worse than opiates were. I have been taking to much everyday around 6-9 tablespoons. Which I believe is 2 or 3 ounces. I was wondering if taking opiates such as hydrocodone, oxycodone, etc for maybe a week with zero kratom or extremely little would help get me off it despite maybe slight mood changes after that week with withdrawls but very minor. Doing this id think would get me through the worst of the withdrawals. Me taking opiates for maximum a week would not get me addicted physically. I need to get off kratom and have not been successful when looking this thought I have online for answers. So in RECAP can I take opiates for kratom withdrawl. I take almost 2 or 3 ounces a day everyday I need to be done with kratom. Thank you for yalls time. If anyone would rather message me or just reply here that's fine. I really would appreciate answers. Thanks again
 

MDPV_Psychosis

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The kratom and the opiates all work on the same receptor. So when you stop the kratom then switch to an opiate, you haven't really achieved anything. Then when you stop the opiate a week or two later you are still going to experience pretty strong withdrawals.

You'd likely be better off tapering down low on the kratom then stopping. Or you can switch to another opiate but at low doses then taper that even lower and then stop. The taper would minimize the withdrawals you will experience and you can then manage those lighter withdrawals pretty well with helper meds like gabapentin/pregabalin, clonidine, loperamide, benzos, etc. For some people kratom is easy to taper, but I've noticed this is not universal - some people just can't seem to do it, so this approach may not be for you but it's likely the best way to minimize withdrawals in your case. Unfortunately there aren't really any 'get out of jail free' cards, your gonna have to experience some discomfort but with a proper taper then helper meds, it can be much much easier.
 

tarman

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I gotta tell ya man, I had this philosophy and tried it many times. It doesn't work. While kratom and opiates are miles apart in terms of effects, they unfortunately overlap enough on a Venn diagram that you can't really use one to get off the other without paying the piper at some point.

I used kratom to get off h. Got down to 8g a day pretty quickly, maintained that for months. Jumped and only took two 50mg tramadols a day for a week straight. Then tried to jump. It wasn't fun. Similarly, when getting off h, I tried to jump off the kratom after 5 days. Again, not fun. And there's been other times.

You're welcome to give it a shot, but honestly, you gotta go through *it* at some point. And honestly, I hated getting off kratom. Even 8g a day. It was worse than I thought it would be. Different than opiate withdrawal. And honestly, worse in some ways. More lingering anxiety that was plateau'd longer. Less obvious progression as days went on. Day 3 was the same as day 7.

I think the best approach is to use something different each day. Kratom for ONE day. A benzo for ONE day. Baclofen for ONE day. Gabapentin for ONE day. Clonidine is supposed to help, I haven't had access to it. Then cycle through the aforementioned items. Like I said, either way, you're gonna pay the piper eventually.
 

burn out

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It works. I got off kratom by using codeine for a few days. Of course I still had to go through withdrawal after getting off the codeine but it was mostly PAWS at that time, the codeine got me through the acute kratom withdrawal that was so difficult for me.
 

nuttynutskin

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No, just taper down. Using opiates to get off kratom would be like using heroin to get off of codeine.
 

Kara Kava

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Kratom is not an opiate. It mimics an opiate. Don't get a worse habit. You really don't want an opiate addiction
 

Kara Kava

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I gotta tell ya man, I had this philosophy and tried it many times. It doesn't work. While kratom and opiates are miles apart in terms of effects, they unfortunately overlap enough on a Venn diagram that you can't really use one to get off the other without paying the piper at some point.

I used kratom to get off h. Got down to 8g a day pretty quickly, maintained that for months. Jumped and only took two 50mg tramadols a day for a week straight. Then tried to jump. It wasn't fun. Similarly, when getting off h, I tried to jump off the kratom after 5 days. Again, not fun. And there's been other times.

You're welcome to give it a shot, but honestly, you gotta go through *it* at some point. And honestly, I hated getting off kratom. Even 8g a day. It was worse than I thought it would be. Different than opiate withdrawal. And honestly, worse in some ways. More lingering anxiety that was plateau'd longer. Less obvious progression as days went on. Day 3 was the same as day 7.

I think the best approach is to use something different each day. Kratom for ONE day. A benzo for ONE day. Baclofen for ONE day. Gabapentin for ONE day. Clonidine is supposed to help, I haven't had access to it. Then cycle through the aforementioned items. Like I said, either way, you're gonna pay the piper eventually.

That's great advice
 

Anonymous Dissident

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I've been doing a slow taper to get my kratom doses out of the ridiculously high range over the last few weeks and have gotten down to around 40g a day from upwards of 70g a day. If you stick to a slow taper, the withdrawal consists of mainly a little restlessness and a runny nose. Black seed oil is surprisingly effective at attenuating the restlessness. Cycling for a few hours in the afternoon when I feel some restlessness is also beneficial.

I was dosing 25g in the morning, 20g in the afternoon, and 25-30g at night. I started removing a single gram a day from one of my doses and didn't have any significant discomfort until I cut the afternoon dose out entirely. That's when I tried the black seed oil and found it very useful. I'm now dosing 15g in the morning and 25g at night.

I plan to continue this taper until I can get to the point that I don't need kratom daily. As my doses get smaller, I'll probably start removing smaller amounts at a time, maybe .5g a day from one of my doses or removing 1g from a dose every other day to continue experiencing the minimum possible discomfort while still working steadily on my goal of overcoming this addiction. I haven't gotten all the way to my goal yet, so I can't say for certain that this regimen will work, but so far, so good.

Keep us posted on your progress, I'm always looking for anything that could make this process easier!
 

kinkyjohn

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Just out of interest does bupe work with kratom? do not take that as advaice to try it as I don't know. It's just a question.
 
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