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dalpat077

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Hello.
Had no plans to but it looks like I just relapsed on fent. I'm ok.. It happened so fast.
Was that as a result of this thread being a trigger? Just curious (although sorry to hear about it).

Just curious because I can see how MANY threads around here would serve as triggers in spite of their initial intention being harm reduction. Pretty much the same thing as a bunch of clean users getting together for a game of cards (silly example but you know what I mean I'm sure), inevitably the conversation would eventually drift to reminiscing about, or romanticizing (mainly falsely?), "the good old days" of getting high and a discussion of various experiences and anecdotes and amusing experiences had while high, and it wold probably then only take one to say "let's go score for old time's sake" and, well, the rest would be history for most.
 

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now just the Benzoaddiction is left.
Not to be nosy but are you not leaving a little something out here? Lol!

Then again: if you're anything like me and don't consider Cocaine a (physical) addiction well then you're fine i.e. just benzos. to go! Lol! And if you need help with that then please do bear in mind that due to COVID my consultation fees have had to be increased by 150% (like everyone else) (but for you: no charge THIS time)! Lol!
 

GetMeOutOfThisCRAP

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Hello.

Was that as a result of this thread being a trigger? Just curious (although sorry to hear about it).

Just curious because I can see how MANY threads around here would serve as triggers in spite of their initial intention being harm reduction. Pretty much the same thing as a bunch of clean users getting together for a game of cards (silly example but you know what I mean I'm sure), inevitably the conversation would eventually drift to reminiscing about, or romanticizing (mainly falsely?), "the good old days" of getting high and a discussion of various experiences and anecdotes and amusing experiences had while high, and it wold probably then only take one to say "let's go score for old time's sake" and, well, the rest would be history for most.
I don't think it was BL to be honest. I had a steady supply of subs but after a long period of time suboxone just doesn't get one high or have any hedonistic qualities like oxy/fent does. Breathing air is a trigger for opiate addiction :LOL: I would say that corona/the quarantine is a far stronger trigger than BL. The isolation and lack of excitement these past few months makes me (and seemingly many others) want to relapse.
 

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I don't do Cocaine every day, just when I have enough money - my binges are like every two months, it depends. And if I binge 10 gram in 4 days, then I know it's gone, it doesn't make me craving like hell and I never feel a crash or something. Hard to believe. But it is like that.

JJ
 

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I don't do Cocaine every day, just when I have enough money - my binges are like every two months, it depends. And if I binge 10 gram in 4 days, then I know it's gone, it doesn't make me craving like hell and I never feel a crash or something. Hard to believe. But it is like that.

JJ
I actually like this about stimulants! I'm definitely addicted to adderall, but I've found that it's not something that I crave daily or would ever have urges to do daily. Stimulants feel like a reset where you can scratch the itch and you're good for a while.

There's something special about opiates where most people (myself included) want to do 24/7. The cravings are unbelievable.
 

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Not to be nosy but are you not leaving a little something out here? Lol!

Then again: if you're anything like me and don't consider Cocaine a (physical) addiction well then you're fine i.e. just benzos. to go! Lol!
The sentence "now just the benzoaddiction is left" was an ironic one! You didn't get it! LOL!

JJ
 

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I hate the itching and puking, first of all. But In love with fentanyl's voïd. That's how I 'd call it. You Just fade away in a bliss of down-low silent euphoria and wake up thirty minutes later with a stranger wellbeing and a want for more. Heroin I didn't enjoy as much, but i guess it was bad quality. Opium, poppy, I didn't really felt like using Tramadol or anything. It has a bliss to it, an entactogenic feeling and a dreamy yet awake state of mind. Mind you, every poppy is different if not from the same field ;). Fentanyl VS Morphine I wouldn't dare to chose.
 

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Bro,thats a typo or? Since when does fent, even with long use, have a INCREDIBLY LONG HALF- LIFE??? That not fent!
Though you gotta give it to the suppliers, in the 90s offering fent wouldve come with a " whats that?" in my neck of woods. Then the patches came and Docs thought " those lowlife cunts cant abuse those " and scripted freely! Oh Yeah? Go visit a gravejard and check the " unabuseability " ( is that even a Word?)
The incredibly long half life of fentanyl deals with the fentanyl analogues that are going around, not the medical grade version. I’m getting these blue fentanyl counterfeit pills that are made to look like the OxyContin 30mg pills. The half life is SO long on those you could literally skip a day. I’d say it’s similar in half life to methadone but likely a tad longer. I always had a hard time skipping a day on methadone, regardless of dose. It could be done but I wouldn’t call it easy. But these fentanyl analogues? I’m suspicious I could make it close to day 3 semi comfortably.
 

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The incredibly long half life of fentanyl deals with the fentanyl analogues that are going around, not the medical grade version. I’m getting these blue fentanyl counterfeit pills that are made to look like the OxyContin 30mg pills. The half life is SO long on those you could literally skip a day. I’d say it’s similar in half life to methadone but likely a tad longer. I always had a hard time skipping a day on methadone, regardless of dose. It could be done but I wouldn’t call it easy. But these fentanyl analogues? I’m suspicious I could make it close to day 3 semi comfortably.

I've had similar pill presses. That's why I was shocked when people said that fent was a cold and short-lived high. The pills might have well been heroin. Euphoric bliss just sitting in a chair like a slug. Not that people should look for counterfeit oxycodone hoping it's fent--it's just some fake pills can have better effects than real ones (if you don't die). Laced xanax bars with fent is the scariest thing I've ever known to exist. So evil to do such a thing.
 

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I’d bet they weren’t heroin pressed. That’s exceedingly rare, and I suspect the taste would give it away. The fent pills have a very minimal taste, kinda like burnt popcorn. The blue ones anyway
 

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I hate the itching and puking, first of all. But In love with fentanyl's voïd. That's how I 'd call it. You Just fade away in a bliss of down-low silent euphoria and wake up thirty minutes later with a stranger wellbeing and a want for more. Heroin I didn't enjoy as much, but i guess it was bad quality. Opium, poppy, I didn't really felt like using Tramadol or anything. It has a bliss to it, an entactogenic feeling and a dreamy yet awake state of mind. Mind you, every poppy is different if not from the same field ;). Fentanyl VS Morphine I wouldn't dare to chose.
Agreed, that’s exactly what fent does to me. Unless you have a low tolerance and take just a small amount, then it actually gets you up. Cleaning house & shit. I really am shocked at all the people saying tar is more euphoric. It’s gotta be a dose thing. Or maybe they’re getting too weak/too strong analogues. I’ve no Idea.
 

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That's so bizarre. I was actually buying measured fent pills (you don't have to lecture me on the dangers of this it's in the past lo). The fent was incredibly euphoric and long-lasting. Which makes me think there is new tech up and about. It was to this day the best feeling I can think of.

Why can't one theoretically purchase alot of powder and just accurate measure the doses?
There is a fentanyl analogue that is available and ULTRA SUPER CHEAP per dose, because the dose is 5-10 micrograms of the pure powder and it can be bought by the gram. It's called carfentanyl, and people report that it lasts for like 8 hours and is extremely euphoric, and not much like fentanyl at all.

I've had pharma fentanyl, found it really boring, just a heavy stoning/sedation, I had to sit down, then lay down, my body felt good but I did not have an elevated mood at all.

I've had real heroin 99% purity from Pakistan, my group had it lab analyzed and it checked out. This was on a secret forum of ~30 members who did group buys and where some people had some really serious connection. Shit was light tan and smelled of vinegar. 7-10mg snorted would have me nodding in and out of the most amazing dreams for hours... I felt so damn good, it was insane. If that was a 10, fentanyl was a 1.5, in terms of euphoria.
 

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There is a fentanyl analogue that is available and ULTRA SUPER CHEAP per dose, because the dose is 5-10 micrograms of the pure powder and it can be bought by the gram. It's called carfentanyl, and people report that it lasts for like 8 hours and is extremely euphoric, and not much like fentanyl at all.

I've had pharma fentanyl, found it really boring, just a heavy stoning/sedation, I had to sit down, then lay down, my body felt good but I did not have an elevated mood at all.

I've had real heroin 99% purity from Pakistan, my group had it lab analyzed and it checked out. This was on a secret forum of ~30 members who did group buys and where some people had some really serious connection. Shit was light tan and smelled of vinegar. 7-10mg snorted would have me nodding in and out of the most amazing dreams for hours... I felt so damn good, it was insane. If that was a 10, fentanyl was a 1.5, in terms of euphoria.
I truly believe you got too much fent that time. What was the ROA? And was it the medical grade or the mystery analogues?

As for Carfentanyl, I heard that’s impossible to get as of yet. It was only recently approved. Unless they’ve figured out how to “bath tub” it.
 

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Agreed, that’s exactly what fent does to me. Unless you have a low tolerance and take just a small amount, then it actually gets you up. Cleaning house & shit. I really am shocked at all the people saying tar is more euphoric. It’s gotta be a dose thing. Or maybe they’re getting too weak/too strong analogues. I’ve no Idea.
Well there’s the issue right there, many of us aren’t talking about tar which is garbage in comparison to high purity diacetylmorphine.

But then real high purity heroin is but a legend at this point, the only scene in the US not completely taken over by fentanyl is the SW Tar scene.

-GC
 

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The incredibly long half life of fentanyl deals with the fentanyl analogues that are going around, not the medical grade version. I’m getting these blue fentanyl counterfeit pills that are made to look like the OxyContin 30mg pills. The half life is SO long on those you could literally skip a day. I’d say it’s similar in half life to methadone but likely a tad longer. I always had a hard time skipping a day on methadone, regardless of dose. It could be done but I wouldn’t call it easy. But these fentanyl analogues? I’m suspicious I could make it close to day 3 semi comfortably.
There's furanylcarfentanyl and etonitazene analogues being pressed atm in the States, that's what Comes out of China
 

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Morning.
There is a fentanyl analogue that is available and ULTRA SUPER CHEAP per dose, because the dose is 5-10 micrograms of the pure powder and it can be bought by the gram. It's called carfentanyl, and people report that it lasts for like 8 hours and is extremely euphoric, and not much like fentanyl at all.
As for Carfentanyl, I heard that’s impossible to get as of yet. It was only recently approved. Unless they’ve figured out how to “bath tub” it.
I had to check these dates of these posts twice to ensure I wasn't looking at a corpse thread or something posted like decades ago and I missed it. And far be it for me correct information furnished by a moderator who has been around for over a decade. But in this particular case I think it warranted. And I suppose in fairness: we all have our own drugs interests and therefore will have spent more time researching a particular drug over another e.g. don't ask me anything about meth. because I wouldn't have the answer given that its interest to me is limited purely to the commercial value.

The above all being said: I'm posting this in the true spirit of harm reduction i.e. lest some new user or guest browsing comes across this information and goes on a quest to obtain Carfentanil (sometimes spelled Carfentanyl) assuming it to be the shit based on the information contained on this thread.

Although the generally quoted figures vary some (usually not by much though): Carfentanil is 100 times stronger than Fentanyl, 5 000 times stronger than Herion, and a heroic 10 000 times stronger than Morphine. It was first synthesized in 1974 and became commercially available in 1986 being sold as an anesthetic for veterinary use (to anaesthetize large mammals e.g. elephant and rhino to name but two). It has further been weaponized i.e. used by the Russians in 2002 during the Moscow theater hostage crisis. It only became a controlled substance in China in 2017 (but of course not to be outdone and in true Chinese fashion is still being manufactured and can still be purchased the caveat, as usual, being the purported purity of the powder available).

I'm not going to re-type the entire Internet here. But the above should give you a rough idea as to why it's probably not a good idea to source and use.

One or two anecdotes:

Yip. It would be measured in µg (micrograms). Given that I know personally what 16.8µg of Fentanyl looks like (almost imperceptible) well then I don't know how you'd calculate a dose save for making a measured solution in order to calculate the per ml concentration.

The generally accepted lethal dose of Fentanyl for an average human being is 2mg. Based on this: you do the math (as to what the possible lethal dose of Carfentanil could be) (although if it's any consolation it's, oddly enough, less deadly in rats than Fentanyl itself and for a variety of reasons but which I doubt are applicable here).

It may interest some to know that the "duration of action" is a different thing altogether to the elimination half life of a drug (although they are to a degree linked). Also interesting to note that the elimination half life of a drug differs depending on the route of administration (believe it or not).

Anybody wanting to put this to the test: may as well go for broke then i.e. Ohmefentanyl anyone? Lol!

Edit:

For the sake of interest and as usual trying to do a thorough job of things see the document below. Sadly it's dated (2017) but is a report from the WHO re: Carfentanil. Pretty much everything you want to know really all nicely summed up (and some interesting factoids that even I was not aware of until now).

Carfentanil - Critical Review Report
 
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I’d bet they weren’t heroin pressed. That’s exceedingly rare, and I suspect the taste would give it away. The fent pills have a very minimal taste, kinda like burnt popcorn. The blue ones anyway
But if they that good....and such long legs!
There are so many synthetic opies outta there, like isonitra...i"d have to look em up.
Who says those producing them stick to fent?
Its a open field. And i'd do anything to get ahold of those! I bet not DN but street sale.
No chance. But i second that on methadone!
On 100mg levo- methadone, allowed to IV, i was golden. But 100mg Methadone oral dont hold me 18 hours! I am a fast metabolizer, and going at 8 in the morning for your dose just cause nose running, eyes watering.....😔
As a stand alone keep me well its second choice only in very high doses. Maybe have a pill checked??? Would love to know what inside!! That made for good reading, thanks for link! And diphenhydramin as potentiator, as if that wasnt strong enough! Makes afghan brown seem like codein
 
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There's furanylcarfentanyl and etonitazene analogues being pressed atm in the States, that's what Comes out of China
Thats what i meant, only isonitazene.
That spossed to be very euphoric but verrry short half- life. You know what happened to the guy who secretly synthesized it in his workplace? Thomas Fairfield or something like that. Dang!!!
 
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