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Offensive or just politically incorrect?

i would say the exact same thing if he came out and said "i think all blacks are stupid"

i would still find his views entirely misguided, but they are his views, and i respect his right to voice them, just as i am allowed to voice mine

u think his views are pathetic, just like i do, but whos to say we are right? why should we be allowed to decide whats right and whats wrong? as i said before, opinions are not right or wrong, its how u feel..... just because u think something is wrong or pathetic, doesnt mean everybody does
 
I hadn't read the article which Mean Girl posted (thanks luv! :D) when I started this thread, and it's kind of changed my approach to this. Originally, I was going under the idea that Laws was attacking Carson specifically, rather than gay men in general.

I still think sueing the man may be going too far. People are way too sensitive to criticism (fair or unfair) these days, and I can't help but wonder about the motivations of the man who's sueing him: is this really a principle based thing, or is it just some easy money?

Even with all of this though....I can't help but feel the gay community is pretty much asking for this. All of our role models and media personalities are campy sexless fops. Where are the gay truckies? Where are the gay firemen and cops (outside of porn)? Where are the gay teachers and the gay soldiers and the gay accountants? If you believe almost any representation we have in mainstream media, they don't exist. We're interior decorators. We're fashion designers. We're every straight girl's best friend.

Gay men are the new Uncle Toms. As a community, we make every effort to portray ourselves as nothing more than entertainment for the larger "straight" world. In TV shows like 6 Feet Under and Queer As Folk we're seen as normal 3-dimensional human beings like everyone else in the world. But these are cult programs. They're not programs that are shown when it actually matters. During prime time we get Queer Eye For the Straight Guy and shows like that, where our whole reason for existing is basically to be entertainment for the straight people. Any disrespect that Carson brings upon himself is purely his own fault, and he deserves any criticism he gets. His job is to tell straight men that being themselves is not good enough, that they need to mold themselves to this fucking ludicrous metrosexual ideal, and all the while he's doing it he presents being gay as having nothing to do with sexuality, but having everything to do with looking like the right kind of guy.

Fuck that.

I'm not gay because I want to teach straight boys how to look after their skin, I'm gay because I like fucking men. Where are our role models who swear and drink beer instead of stolis and who get into boxing and who can have a sexuality without being predatory? If who I am is confronting to people, fuck them. They need to learn that we're living in the 21st Century. They need to learn that their bigotry is an outdated concept. I certainly don't need to ease myself into their lives as painlessly as possible because they're too fucking scared to be a little bit confronted about how their world works.

I think about the Stonewall riots, and I think about the courage that those men showed by being themselves against a society which considered them not only illegal, but completely immoral. I think about the inroads they made for us, and then I think about what the gay scene is now. Kylie and Madonna. Being pretty and young. Fitting in. Fuck fitting in. How many kids hurt and kill themselves because fitting in is seen as being more important than being yourself?

Any criticism that those Queer Eye motherfuckers draw upon themselves is completely well deserved in my opinion. Because they play to this ridiculous stereotype of what gay men are "supposed" to be, and they stop REAL gay people from feeling happy about themselves while they have to live their REAL lives in the REAL world.

Rant over...
 
Raz said...........Gay people are here to amuse the straight people of this world.

God yes...........thats it.........thats it perfectly.
 
As for Raz's comments above....

**Any criticism that those Queer Eye motherfuckers draw upon themselves is completely well deserved in my opinion. Because they play to this ridiculous stereotype of what gay men are "supposed" to be, and they stop REAL gay people from feeling happy about themselves while they have to live their REAL lives in the REAL world.**

I dont really think the majority of the Queer Eye team are anything similar to Carson.

So I can understand Carson drawing attention to himself but look at the other guys such as Kai (i think thats right spelling) and I forget all the their names... the dude who wears the glasses.. they both dont even seem gay to me...

So I dont really think they play a ridiculous stereotype. I think they actually play a group of classy men.

I know many many gay people and a majority of them act worse than these guys.

So what is a "REAL" gay person?? These guys are still "REAL" too.... Just in the public eye.

Heck am im not a "real" woman cause I dont wear high heels, I hate being all girly and crap, Im pretty tom boyish.... Everyone is entitled to dress/act/express themselves how they feel, gay or not.. It shouldnt make any difference.
 
RiseGurl, your points are very valid.

I think however that what Raz was trying to say is that most peoples perception of a gay man is that he is maybe soft and speaks a bit strange and is a bit over the top in the flamboyant side of things..................whereas most gay people are in fact nothing like that........its just that nobody knows cos they are not out there making a big fuss so to speak..........and also they are never, or rarely, portrayed thus on television...........ie you dont see a gay truck driver on tele who acts pretty much exactly as a straight truck driver does except that he screws guys.

Hope that makes sense.
 
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