Stimulants 4-Fluoromethylphenidate (4F-MPH) Megathread

[Ziiirp]

I know. Everyone should know that. Don't take a DRI, if you prefered monoamine releasers in the past.

 

[Boognish]

Wow! Not much info yet on ole' 4F! I have zero stim tolerance no tolerance other than a fat 100mg highly enjoyable dose of 2C-D injested a few day prior. I should note I take 20 mg of citalopram 22.5mg, which hasn't effected anything trip-wise other than MDxx's


I was wondering why the person I got this from gave me 3 for the price of 1 - I guess it's too chill, on to the next.

 

[MASTER SATAN]

i love 4f-mph but a lot of my friends (actually all but 1) cant get off on it. they are heavy meth users though and even when i catch them in a rare instance of downtime and offer them some they still dont feel it. i guess they're damaged too. i noticed a similar situation with a-pvp back in the day and certain friends of mine who couldnt get off on it. damn.<br>

 

[bluedroog]

Can really relate to Noobcakes story about this, although I never IV'ed. I probably got through about 30-40 grams of this in a few months on top of 3-fpm habit. In many respects I preferred 3-fpm as it gave me more of a body high and a bit more depth but eventually it tolerance put an end to that. I think 3-fpm made me more boisterous in that I'd be quite inappropriate at work etc but moving on to abuse of 4f-mph pushed me over the edge in terms of my mental health.

As my drug usage got well out of hand I took sick leave from work which actually just gave me the opportunity to do more as I was at home alone rather than sloping off to the toilets. Eventually I had my contract terminated and very nearly lost my wife and house in to the bargain.

I recall over Xmas staying at a relatives luxury apartment housing stores like Zara on the ground floor on Oxford Street. I could swear there was a young mother with three kids sleeping rough on the back street below, I spend about 5 hours making up packs of clothes, bedding, games and food for them, I was pretty certain what age and gender they were, I was trying to get them to come below the window so I could chuck the stuff down. Dawn broke and I realised it was about about 12 Romanian blokes who made a break to go and beg or pickpocket.

One night I sat at home and saw a guy parked up outside my house, I convinced myself it was Russian secret service and then noticed a load more cars (which were innocently there) and just sat in the middle of the darkened room checking the windows every five minutes for hours on end. I'd always come home and be convinced someone was hiding in the house and check every cupboard or conceivable hiding place. Late at night when it was quiet and I was out I hear my own footsteps echoing off buildings and think I was being followed, I started walking on the right side of the pavement thinking if anyone hit me from behind it would be harder from the left if they were right handed.

All that said I do love it and am planning to try it again in moderation having had a break for six months, as much as anything to lose the extra weight I've put on since I got my appreciate back off it and then some. It is a great stim in many ways but must be respected, less is definitely more.

 

[CuriousNoodles]

Does anyone know if 4f will show up on a 12 panel ua?

 

[kleinerkiffer]

Does anyone know if 4f will show up on a 12 panel ua?

Drug testing questions aren't allowed

 

[Ballz_Trippington]

Tried this stuff last night at 2 × 10mg gel caps orally spaced 2 hours apart.
Found it to be almost the perfect functional stimulant/appetite suppressant.
The only down side was thst it made me feel like I had to seriously piss every 15 mins but each time only a trickle would come out.
The only other time this happened to me was on about 80g of Trichocerus mescaline cactus.
I'm gonna try to hydrate as much as possible and try a slightly higher dose tomorrow night to see if it still gives me the "phantom piss" or not.
Otherwise this seems like the perfect chemical for work for me!

 

[treezy z]

Sorry for the delay in replying, I was having a bit of a break.



From October until the middle of December I got through about 20g of the stuff, the majority of it being intravenously. Although about 10g of that was over a week. Plus I can see orders for about 30g of 3FPM over a few weeks, new orders being placed every few days.

I was a mess. A complete and total mess. I was hallucinating, terribly moody, got into trouble with the police, I collapsed outside at least twice after standing up from sitting down (my fitbit showing my pulse drop to 30bpm when reviewed after the event.) I'd shake all the time, a tremor, I was scared of the dark.

I was smashed out of my tiny little mind. I thought people were staring at me (mind you, I was such a mess I wouldn't put that entirely down to paranoia!) I remember going into my room one night and without any real reason I shouted at someone in English to warn them off - there wasn't anyone there and I didn't see anyone, there was just so much adrenaline in my addled brain that it had me constantly in fight mode.

I saw faces on car seats in fact anything which my mind could misinterpret as a person, or part of a person, became a person. I knew they weren't people, I knew I was hallucinating, but there came a tipping point ('towards the end') where I'd start to go over the edge and then couldn't really work out what was real and any distorted pattern would become something.

Even though my mother knew I was on something, she couldn't bring herself to say it. I knew I had a problem, I hated what I'd done but didn't know how to stop. I sat there in front of her and burst into tears, she'd seen the countless bruises on my arms before, she'd seen me sitting in front of her just shaking and sweating for no reason but then she saw me in tears, I was ashamed, tears and snot everywhere I somehow managed to exhale, with her crying too and saying 'tell me and I can help you' and all I could say was "You'd be so disappointed in me" over and over and then rolled a cigarette while crying and went outside and carried on crying for ages.

Given that I was (apart from going out of my mind on 4F-MPH and other drugs) otherwise healthy, a long distance and marathon runner I just didn't know what to do with myself anymore. I was just completely ruined. Now completely scared of the dark (when the hallucinations were worst, probably because random shapes are difficult to make out) I got escorted out of my own home by the police and, the worst night of my life proceeded.

I live in the countryside, there are lots of unlit roads for miles around. I had to walk around, and around, and around for miles during the night. I had just £20 on me. I refused to contact my friends as I was ashamed and screwed up. I had to live at night, for a whole night, in the dark, in the rain with just a T-shirt and jeans in the cold of December in England, with only horror and hallucinations for company. I even struck up conversations with my hallucinations at bus stops in hope of making the hallucinations I was conjuring up 'nice ones' and not 'bad ones'.

Over the following few weeks and months, after spending Christmas in a coma in hospital (after purposely overdosing on diclazepam (200mg maybe?) and ketamine (heaven knows how much) and synthetic cannabinoids purely because that's all I had around) I woke up in an unfamiliar hospital and phoned home.

That was in January. I'm (apart from one relapse early in April) now off the 4F-MPH, all the other drugs, my arms (and hands, I ended up injecting into my hands as I'd run out of veins in my arms) are now almost back to normal. But I no longer have a job, I am (was?) a skilled qualified IT Pro but after not turning up for six months I need to find something else but I'm hopeful of getting one next week. I've only got enough cash to survive for about another month or two.

2015 was a bit of a year of discovery, 2016 seems to be a bit of a challenge. The problem with being a 'recovering' or ex-drug addict but not actually having any criminal convictions for drug posession or whatever it means I can't access any of the 'back to work' employment programs. Meh.

This sounds exactly like the psychosis I experienced on 3,4 ctmp. (I was seeing objects as naked women for example.)

I was hoping to try this because the price per dose is quite low but will try isopropylphenidate instead, seems much less likely to cause psychosis. (Shorter duration, lower potency.)

 

[deficiT]

Yeah, I've used the search engine, read everything bout it everywhere, still feel bad about making new threads on BL for some reason but I think this should hopefully be informative and cover some ground, or bare minimum merge w/ related threads.

Anyway, I'm trying to make a couple solutions, kinda my first time doin it. I have both 94.5% ethanol, some Propylene Glycol, 4fmph, etiz, and some others I'll mention later.

Made a 1mg:1ml PG etizolam solution earlier today. I stupidly dropped the powder in first so had a little bit of a struggle shaking it and giving our friendly t-benzo friend a hot bath. Won't do that next time, but it still sounds like it just dissolves easier w/ethanol, but a mix with PG would be preferable for taste purposes.

It sounds to me like people have had success using both ethanol and PG with these substances. I only have 30ml vials rn, not throwing all my shit in a cauldron, I'm just doing baby steps, babe.

Kinda shooting to have a 2mg/ml etizolam, and 10-20mg/ml of 4fmph.

Don't really need anyone to walk it through with the math or anything, but I'd just like to see what had worked best for people. 4fmph is apparently pretty easily soluble in water so I imagine that should be simple. I just don't know if I should just kinda use an ethanol pg mix for both of them?

Mostly I just wanna make sure that the combination of these two solvents won't fuck anything up with these guys. But yeah it's just little batches for short term daily ease of use thing. And then maybe I'll bust out that cauldron.

My extra credit question piggy back on this is basically the same question but in regards to 4-xxx-trypts and 3-x-pxx disso compounds. Anybody brew any of that and how'd it turn out? This part is more for future learning, so I'm hoping to just get a good thread about volumetric dosing all of these various classes.

Yeah it's all over the place but I know at least a couple playas out there got something for me.

 

[negrogesic]

Never thought of 4f-mph as a candidate for volumetric dosing but its a laudable endeavor. I still snort eyeballed doses of 4f-mph as its not potent enough to be dangerous to do so, but it really stems for my addict nature. The truth is that 4f-mph, even moreso than pharmaceutical methylphenidate, is a purely functional stimulant. I still snort it though out of habit.

 

[deficiT]

Never thought of 4f-mph as a candidate for volumetric dosing but its a laudable endeavor. I still snort eyeballed doses of 4f-mph as its not potent enough to be dangerous to do so, but it really stems for my addict nature. The truth is that 4f-mph, even moreso than pharmaceutical methylphenidate, is a purely functional stimulant. I still snort it though out of habit.

Exactly. I'm doing a little trial replace my daily 10-20mg dl-amp with similar amount of 4f-mph. I simply can't use stimulants unless I start taking thes measures as it destroys me but I loves it? Yeeeeee I know but I probably won't stop. And I'm just tired of weighing things every time I gotta dose so trying to do volumetric. I'm sure I'll overdue it at some point but meh it's getting better I'm at least trying. In my earlier days I would've already been half twacked on my 4f-mph and itd be gone in a minute. And im tired of all that

But just finished my 10mg/ml solution, dropped 200mg of 4f-mph into 10ml 94.5% grain alcohol. And then put 10ml propylene glycol on top. And shake it all about.

Someone somewhere said that did the trick with it, the 50/50 mix I just haven't fucked with much solvents outside of the whole put some heady tap water in your veins trick. Mix I made earlier with PG was so gloopy, and personally hate alcohol so didn't want that to be the main one.

From what I understand I shouldn't need any heat at all. I've given it a few shakes over the course of 10-15 mins, still see some specks floating about, but not nearly as bad as my earlier etizolam mix.

But yeah this is my trial run honestly, as I'm not as worried about fucking these up too much cause I'll be alright. But definitely the low dose dissociatives I'm just not trying to play with, need to do it right. It's simple really but so am I. And 4acodmt is my favorite and I'd like to find a way to store it long time or even be able to administer super doses so I'd be interested in hearing if anyone has experience with that.

Volumetric dosing is easy, but I'm neurotic about anything I've never done before.

 

[Xorkoth]

Kinda shooting to have a 2mg/ml etizolam, and 10-20mg/ml of 4fmph.

I make 2mg/mL solutions of etizolam in PG. I dissolve a gram into 500mL of PG that has been pre-heated in a hot water bath. The etiz dissolves very rapidly, I've never had to spend much time stirring.

I think 4f-MPH is readily soluble in both alcohol and water so you should have no troubles there.

As for 4-AcO-DMT (or any tryptamine), just keep it dry. Store it in an amber vial in the freezer, and only open the vial once it's warmed to room temperature, to avoid moisture condensing on the powder from the temperature differential. Tryptamines degrade much faster in liquid and there is no need to volumetrically dose 4-AcO-DMT.

 

[sekio]

I would be a little hesitant to store methylphenidate analogues in aqueous solutions for too long, because I'd expect hydrolysis (e.g. methylphenidate -> ritalinic acid + methanol). This happens faster at extreme pH and temperatures. That said if you store the solution in the fridge and prepare it fresh every week or so it's not a problem.

Storage in ethanol might convert some to the ethyl esters too (very slowly though).

 

[jinxremoving]

Sorry- I don't have any advice for how you would do this. However, I can say that volumetric dosing is not necessary for 4fmph. Maybe. It depends on the dose that you're taking. I was accustomed to taking 20-30 mg at once in the morning before breakfast (I was using this for ADHD, as an alternative to ritalin). I could weight out my doses and know that I would be within +-5mgs of my intended dose (due to potential errors). Which was fine with me. I loaded up a bunch of capsules, and I would take one each morning. I would also take a "booster" at around 2 PM. I would just sniff a small bump from one of those little spoons that comes in those glass vials. I would just pack the spoon fairly tight, and scrape any excess off the top. This ensured that I got very close to the same dose each time.

Nice thing about 4fmph is that it doesn't clump up. And it's not like shard, where it is hard to tell how much a chunk will come out to when crushed up. So I almost never messed up my dose (even when eyeballing sometimes).

 

[deficiT]

Sorry- I don't have any advice for how you would do this. However, I can say that volumetric dosing is not necessary for 4fmph. Maybe. It depends on the dose that you're taking. I was accustomed to taking 20-30 mg at once in the morning before breakfast (I was using this for ADHD, as an alternative to ritalin). I could weight out my doses and know that I would be within +-5mgs of my intended dose (due to potential errors). Which was fine with me. I loaded up a bunch of capsules, and I would take one each morning. I would also take a "booster" at around 2 PM. I would just sniff a small bump from one of those little spoons that comes in those glass vials. I would just pack the spoon fairly tight, and scrape any excess off the top. This ensured that I got very close to the same dose each time.

Nice thing about 4fmph is that it doesn't clump up. And it's not like shard, where it is hard to tell how much a chunk will come out to when crushed up. So I almost never messed up my dose (even when eyeballing sometimes).

Yeah, I was mostly doing the 4f-mph solution for ease of dosing with a dropper instead of having to bust out the scale cause I get tired of doing it all the time lol. But point noted from @sekio I will store in the fridge... probably won't even bother with it in the future, but as I said this was more me experimenting. All of my solutions have worked out so far though. The 4f-mph at 20mg/ml in a 50/50 pg/ethanol mix, and etizolam 1mg/ml in straight pg. Just now finishing up a clonazolam mix with .5mg/ml in PG, am assuming that should be good to go as well. Thanks for the input y'all.

 

[Phonetap]

Isopropylpropylphenidate will definitely have less risk of compulsive dosing and hence stimulant psychosis....
But i still largely prefer 4f-mph... 4f-eph is the best phemidate though imo.... more euphoric than eph but extremely dangerously addictive.

 

[ilikerolls2]

Would it be unreasonable to use a concentration of 50mg 4F-MPH per 1ml of PG solution, so I can get 10mg 4F-MPH per point 0.2ml of PG? I know at higher concentration levels volumetric dosing is supposed to become less accurate. I am thinking this maybe too much, but I can't find another solution.

I do have a milligram scale that would weigh out 10mg just fine for myself, but I like to share with friends and make gummy bears or Stimmy Bears in this case. For some reason PG above 0.2ml per gummy hole makes them less durable like melting in your pocket especially during Summertime. I use knox gelatin and all that. It's just higher amounts of PG that seems to do it.

Normally I dose Xanny Bears at 1mg per 0.2ml, which works out great. But that is a big difference. I could go as high as 10mg 4F-MPH per 0.3ml of PG & they would be a little less durable but I guess I could live with that. Beyond that I guess I would have to get a bigger gummy mold holes. Which would suck, because it's not like you want to chew a bitter gummy bear lol The size they are now you can swallow like a pill. If you have another suggestions that would be LE friendly ie not something obvious like powder sitting in a gelcap. I guess I could just literally weigh out 10mg of powder 80 times & dump it into each hole. It would take a while, but it would probably be a 1 time thing anyway.

 

[negrogesic]

You can probably fit 50mg/ml though it sounds on the high end.

Personally i dont ever weigh my doses of 4F-MPH as I snort bumps throughout the day, probably in the 10mg range (per dose).

 

[ilikerolls2]

Thanks for the reply! Maybe I will try 10mg per 0.3ml, so about 34mg of 4F-MPH perl 1ml to be on the safer side. It will make the gummies a little less durable, but the thing I want to do is overdose someboy.

I know 4F-MPH is related to methylphenidate & the effects are a little different. But what would you guess 10mg 4F-MPH orally is equal to say of adderall potency wise? like a 20mg adderall? If you were to guess. Just trying to think of what to say to my friends to give them a guideline of how much to take. They don't really do RC's and are more familiar with adderall and not MPH. I took 10mg 4F-MPH orally last night & I liked it. Felt clean, some euphoria, and energy. My estimate was 10mg was about as potent as 20mg adderall and you shouldn't exceed 20mg 4F-MPH unless you want to run circles. Does that sound about accurate?

 

[hoxyz]

No need to use PG. Amfetamines dissolve, and stay stable in tapwater fine.

4F-MPH is basically MPH (ritalin) with an extra fluoro atom which makes it roughly 2/3 times as potent and lasts way longer. I'd start with 5mg ish and work your way up. If used for work purposes you probably won't be exceeding 15mg since it get's jittery above that. I've always dosed between 10 and 15mg. I've also had a nasal spray at 2,5mg/spray. But nasally makes it more jittery and urge to redose, which is something you don't want with this type of chemical.