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NEWS: The Age 31-8-02 A policeman who would try just about anything, and died for it

Sllip

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I won't put up the whole story because it's fairly long.
The general jist is a young drug squad detective dies from a suspect pill.
The reported pills he had taken was a blue cK and an unknown pink pill, and they found a few orange pills in his possesion.
Blue cK
All the orange and pink pills around at the time appear to be of good quality.
Had a dig aroung but couldn't find anything on bunk pink pills from that time. But report did say
Tests showed that the orange tablets contained ecstasy. But the blue tablets were a deadly mix of morphine and methamphetamine - dangerous fakes known as pseudo-ecstasy, and produced in backyard speed labs, the sort of labs Gunn had busted in his years in the drug squad.
So make up your own minds.
[ 31 August 2002: Message edited by: Sllip ]
 
babydoc, that's my problem with the article. It says he had a fair bit of booze, some pot and a pill, then died of an ecstasy overdose...
That's what gets me mad, there is nothing in the article that points to any evidence from a coroner or the like.
 
They make it out like just the drug killed him and not his choice to take that drug.
 
correct me if i am worng, but...
these (blue ck's) are the exact same pills that were sent to pilltest.com
they were posted with pics on pilltest for the week or so before it shut down (along with identical red ones). can't remeber which part of australia they were sent from, but they were sent in from australia. shame they took so long to test and publish the results (though i'm sure more money would help).
also...
pillreports.com -red ck-
pillreports.com -red ck-
pillreports.com -red ck-
pillreports.com -blue ck-
pillreports.com -red ck-
pillreports.com -blue ck-
there are heaps of other posts on the red ck's, not many on the blue ones. i have a feeling that they've been archived.
[ 01 September 2002: Message edited by: corolla ]
 
The pills were sent from Canberra... We (being a harm minimisation group) got hold of them after a big weekend where many many ppl got sick from the red ones (which definately contained morphine, but I'd have to check with madmick19 as to whether they found anything else). The red cK was available in CBR around april/may 2001, and has been reportedly available many times and in many locations since.
The blue cK that we sent tho tested as clonazepam, an anti epileptic medication in the benzo family. I can't remember specifically when that one was around, except that it was also 2001.
The pictures of these can be viewed HERE
The reports for the blue cKs linked above, with the crumbly description etc don't sound like the ones we sent, both the red and blue pills we sent were reasonably hard (the red one being very hard).
 
I love the way that the paper portrayed the detective as being completely blameless in the whole equation. The age couldn't understand why a detective with so much to lose would have drugs, even when it became evident that he had a bag of pills with 7 or more bicks. Hello fuckchop journos, ever considered he was probably more bent than a banana and prolly selling the shite on the side. I swear any crime writing in the papers is so moronically written and also presented in such a way that one gets the feeling that these so called journalists have no fucking clue as to what goes on in the world of drugs, crime and the CJS.
 
*timidly raises hand*
Ummm, they say the pill contained morphine. Isn't morphine inactive orally?
Then again, we ARE talking about The Age.
 
Fetish Jester: nope, oral morphine is available in many formulations, mainly for treatment of cancer pain. You're thinking of heroin.
 
Originally posted by babydoc_vic:
Fetish Jester: nope, oral morphine is available in many formulations, mainly for treatment of cancer pain. You're thinking of heroin.which is also orally active just in large large doses.
By the sound of it he probably died from the interaction of the two depressents, the morphine and clonazepam. Thats some f-ed up drugs to be in pills sold as ecstasy. You would have thought they would have tried to get drugs which atleast mimick the effects such as ephadrine, caffine, speed.
[ 02 September 2002: Message edited by: Johny Boy ]
 
4 Sept 2002, Herald Sun
Drug tests for police
Most likely related.
Work pressure, shift work and dealing with drug offenders increased officers' exposure to illicit drug use.
Doesn't mention anything about going to dance parties on the weekend... :)
 
A friend of mine was a cop, if you know what I mean.
 
speak no ill of the dead
especially if they were a cop
thats always the way it is
 
What I meant was he got caught with something he should have had.
Now he's the biggest drug whore I know, well second to me.
 
Union warns over police drug tests
06sep02
RANDOM drug testing of police had not been agreed to, the Police Association warned yesterday.
Association secretary Sen-Sgt Paul Mullett said claims by police command that drug tests would be announced at the end of the month were premature and unhelpful.
He said a joint working party to develop a drug and alcohol policy had agreed to terms of reference only last week.
It was yet to consider the merits of drug and alcohol testing.
Sen-Sgt Mullett said only 24 complaints about drug and alcohol abuse among the force's 10,300 members were made to the Victorian ombudsman last year.
From: http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,5041946%255E2862,00.html
BigTrancer :)
 
Mother in bid to clear dead drug officer of allegations
Date: September 11 2006
John Silvester

THE mother of a policeman who died from an accidental drug overdose is fighting to have his name cleared of corruption allegations.

Geoffrey William Gunn was found dead in his Abbotsford home in June 2001. In his right pocket was a plastic bag containing seven blue and five orange tablets.

Tests later established the orange tablets contained ecstasy and the blue pills were a deadly mix of morphine and methamphetamine.

Gunn, a former drug squad detective, was stationed at Prahran at the time of his death.

For his mother Marlene, the accidental but self-inflicted death remains an unexplained tragedy from which she will never recover.

"Few can imagine the absolute horror you experience when you're greeted at your front door with the revelation that your gorgeous son has died — a crushing abyss of numbing disbelief," Mrs Gunn said. "It doesn't go away. There's hardly a morning when I don't wake crying for my son, for Billy."

Initially police told her to say her son died from a heart attack, to avoid the controversy that would follow revelations that a drug detective took drugs.

An investigation into his death found that Gunn was a sporadic drug user. A friend told police: "I knew that Billy was an occasional user of ecstasy." He estimated he saw Gunn take ecstasy five times in the previous eight months.

Coroner Graeme Johnstone found: "The evidence supports a finding that Geoffrey Gunn died accidentally as a result of toxicity to amphetamines and narcotics."

Senior police say they know there is a problem with younger officers who take drugs. Chief Commissioner Christine Nixon is still pushing — in the face of some Police Association resistance — for drug testing in the force, five years after first raising the issue.

She says she sees the testing as a welfare and safety issue rather than a disciplinary one.

"Victoria Police still view the testing of police, particularly those involved in critical incidents, as a priority. We believe the community would expect that police members are tested, to ensure they do not have drugs or alcohol in their systems while on duty," police spokesman Steve Linnell said.

Mrs Gunn backs the call for police testing. "Death doesn't care whether you're a police officer, bank teller or the checkout chick at Woolworths," she said. "You are not invincible."

From The Age
 
I remember this being one of the first threads on BL that I posted in. :eek:

It was also a story that really stuck in my mind over the years... about a young detective from Prahran who used drugs recreationally and it seemed died from taking the wrong one.

In particular because I know that area fairly well and have often heard anecdotal and second-hand stories of off duty police officers taking drugs in that area. Also because the idea of drug squad officers taking drugs just underlines how futile a "war on drugs" ultimately is.

Here is the original article for future reference should it be removed from the Age site.

A policeman who would try just about anything, and died for it
August 31 2002

As a policeman he knew the dangers, but drugs took Billy Gunn's life anyway. John Silvester reports.

Billy Gunn was a natural, the sort of guy who made most things look easy. Even at school, while his mates had to study for exams, he would cruise through, always finishing near the top of the class. It was the same with football: Gunn played in the seniors at 16, sparking St Kilda's interest before bad knees crushed any hope of an AFL career.

He was the type who could excite admiration without envy, his family and friends say. Everyone who knew Billy Gunn has a story. He made people laugh, but not at the expense of others. He was an adventurer, up for anything. Perhaps that is why he was prepared to try ecstasy, even though as a detective who had worked in the drug squad he knew the risk.

Now Billy Gunn is dead, killed by "recreational" drugs, and the people who loved him are left only with memories and unanswered questions.

Marlene Gunn sits in the lounge room of her country home, on a one-hectare property near Bendigo. The retired school teacher is surrounded by friends of her dead son - there to shield her from intrusive questions and to protect the memory of their mate.

It took Mrs Gunn months to agree to talk about Billy. She fears that an article on how he died will destroy her memories of how he lived.

At first, police told her to say he died of a heart attack - even though it was common knowledge that it was drugs. They wanted to protect his reputation, and the image of the force. But now she wants to talk - partly as a warning to others and because she wants to share her memories.

"I want to go to every school and tell them the story of my Billy so the children know there is no such thing as safe drugs."

On the mantelpiece is Gunn's police graduation photo, his police badge, a police bear, and sporting trophies. On the wall are two picture boards, one entitled "The Legendary Billy Gunn". In most pictures he is smiling broadly, often arm in arm with his friends - on cruise ships, in the outback, at weddings and parties. One picture shows him tired but content, just after he finished a university exam. Within 72 hours, aged 32, he was dead.

Billy Gunn was eight years old when his father, Geoffrey, died of a heart attack at 52, and Marlene moved the family from Mildura to Bendigo. After year 12, Gunn began a nursing degree in Bendigo, but within months he left.

"He said, 'Mum, this isn't for me,' " Marlene remembers.

Geoffrey William Gunn worked at a home for the blind before joining the police force. He graduated in May, 1988, aged 19, and soon fell in love with the job. Gunn's enthusiasm and persuasiveness led to two of his mates following him into the force.

After a year at Fitzroy station, he transferred to Castlemaine, then spent five years back in Mildura, his childhood town. His superiors there saw in the relaxed and popular young man the potential for an undercover operative. In 1992 and 1993, Gunn worked in plain clothes, on complex drug investigations. His file described him as a "particularly hard-working and dedicated" officer.

Gunn loved to keep fit. According to his close friend Senior Detective Wayne Woltsche, Gunn prepared healthy meals to take to work, and went to the gym almost every day. Gunn played football with the Mildura Football Club, squash twice a week and regularly rode his bike. "He would walk down the street and turn heads," says Mrs Gunn. "Not just the daughters, but the mothers, as well."

In 1995 Gunn joined the drug squad. It was perfect for him. He liked long-term investigations and colleagues say he carried out major sting operations as an undercover man. His boss, Superintendent Dave Newton, described him as "a good team player" who "displays potential for promotion".

After nearly three years in the squad, Gunn told Woltsche he wanted experience as a detective in a division. His friend suggested they work together at Prahran.

Some police become insular. They work and socialise only with cops, and eventually develop a siege mentality, trusting few people outside the force. But not Gunn. "Billy made friends with everybody he met, and could talk to anyone from any walk of life," Woltsche said.

His boss at Prahran, Detective Senior Sergeant David Martin, saw Gunn as a potential leader, and wanted him to sit the sergeant's exam. But the younger policeman wanted to finish the marketing degree he was studying at RMIT.

Martin, who described Gunn as "one of the better detectives" at the office, said police at Prahran were shocked by his death. Gunn never gave Martin any indication he was using recreational drugs, except for the occasional social drink. Woltsche also told investigators that at no time in the 11 years he had known Gunn did he suspect his friend of using drugs. Bendigo friends and police colleagues say they had no idea Gunn was experimenting with ecstasy.

But one old friend did.

Jamie Frank Marciano and Gunn had been friends for 10 years from their Mildura days. When Marciano moved to Melbourne in 1999 to manage a bar in South Yarra they began to socialise together.

"I knew that Billy was an occasional user of ecstasy," Marciano told investigators. He said Gunn would occasionally take ecstasy at parties - "Billy had many friends outside the police force."

Marciano estimated he saw Gunn take ecstasy five times in the previous eight months. He did not know where Gunn got his drugs. . "He did not speak about this," he said. "People generally do not."

Gunn had been living with his girlfriend in Armadale, but was ready for a change. Catherine Taylor, the sister of a fellow student of Gunn's at RMIT, was also looking for a new house. In early May last year she and Gunn moved into a renovated cottage in Fairchild Street, Abbotsford.

Just days before he died, Gunn rang his mother to say he was happy in the new house with Taylor. He told Marlene: "This is going to work, Mum, she's fun."

When Martin James Foard arrived in Melbourne from Brisbane on Saturday, June 16, 2001, he had already secured a backpacker's first priority - a free bed.

Catherine Taylor met Foard three years earlier on a previous visit to Australia, and knew he was welcome in Taylor's home.

About 8.30am he grabbed the Skybus to Spencer Street, and a train to North Richmond before walking half a kilometre to Fairchild Street.

At 2pm Taylor took Foard to the local pub, the Terminus, a kitsch-cool hotel in Victoria Street, filled with old bar stools, pinball machines and opportunity-shop art. There they met Gunn, who had finished an exam the day before and was free to celebrate. He had plannedto visit his mother, but had missed his lift.

Taylor introduced Gunn to Foard, the backpacker later told police. They had a few drinks and, according to Foard, Gunn gave him a pink tablet. Taking it gave him "the sense of wellbeing, clammy hands and hot flushes, which are the normal effects of ecstasy".

It is unclear, though, why Gunn would give a stranger a pill valued at between $50 and $80. And why a detective would be so reckless as to risk criminal charges and the sack by passing over illegal drugs in a pub. Some of his friends believe Foard provided the drugs.

The next morning, Taylor went to friend's place for a child's birthday party, and left Foard and Gunn at home. Foard said they settled in to watch the football on television. "At this time we had a couple of VB stubbies each, and Billy asked me if I wanted a tablet. I believed he was talking about ecstasy, and Billy returned to the lounge room shortly after, handing me a small blue tablet that had CK marked on it."

Foard and Gunn each took a tablet and kept drinking, the backpacker said. About two hours later, Gunn left and returned with a pink tablet. "This tablet had no markings on it, and Billy handed me one. I did not see Billy consume a pink tablet or any other tablets, apart from the blue one."

The effects of the pills and the beer overwhelmed Foard, who vomited. It may have saved his life.

Foard rang a friend, Brendan Sheedy, who came over for a drink. Later Taylor came home, and Marciano also arrived. Gunn offered to cook dinner. Marciano later told police that he and Gunn went to the supermarket, bought some food and vodka before going home to cook a chicken stir-fry.

Marciano brought a small bag of cannabis with him to the house, and most people there shared a joint. No one seemed worried about smoking marijuana in front of a detective.

After dinner, the group continued to drink and play cards during the night. To Taylor, Gunn did not seem intoxicated, but he was affected by alcohol: "He was able to play cards, but did stagger a bit when he went to bed." To Sheedy, "Bill appeared a bit stoned."

About 11.30 that night, Gunn went to his room, saying he had work the next day.

Sheedy remembered Gunn as involved in the conversation, telling stories and jokes. "He was speaking clearly, and nothing appeared to be abnormal with his thought process," he said.

Taylor woke the next morning at eight. Putting her head into Gunn's room, she saw that Gunn was still fully clothed, lying on his bed. "I could see that Billy was breathing, but his breathing appeared a little laboured. I called out to him to wake him, but he did not rouse. I thought Billy was in heavy sleep from the effects of the alcohol."

Taylor told Foard that she could not wake Gunn. "Mart and I both went to Billy's room, and I again called out to him. Again I could not rouse him, so I asked Mart to keep an eye on him. I left for work at about 8.40am."

But Foard was not worried enough to do anything. He thought Gunn was snoring because of the night's alcohol and drugs. As the unconscious detective lay dying, his house guest made a cup of tea and went back to bed.

About 45 minutes later, Taylor rang, and again asked Foard to check on Gunn. "I hung the telephone up and entered Billy's room," Foard said. "I could see that his skin was pale and his eyes were slightly open. His skin was cold, his chest was not moving, and I could not feel any pulse."

He tried to ring Taylor, but could not get through. Finally he rang 000, and the operator told him to put Gunn on the floor and on his side. But it was too late.

The ambulance officer had no idea of the identity of his patient. Then he saw the police badge on the table.

At first, Gunn's death was thought to be from a heart attack - until Foard told police they had been taking ecstasy.

In the right pocket of Gunn's jeans police found a plastic bag containing seven blue and five orange tablets.

Why, Gunn's friends wonder, would a policeman with such a reputation for integrity possess drugs valued at nearly $1000 for private use? And as a very occasional user, why did he want so many tablets?

Tests showed that the orange tablets contained ecstasy. But the blue tablets were a deadly mix of morphine and methamphetamine - dangerous fakes known as pseudo-ecstasy, and produced in backyard speed labs, the sort of labs Gunn had busted in his years in the drug squad.

Billy Gunn was an experienced detective. He knew the dangers of drugs.

His mother remains shattered and confused - "Billy always looked after himself. He ate well, and exercised. He even hated coffee."

His friends could not believe Gunn died of recreational drug use. Some wanted to believe he had been drugged against his will by the criminals he had been chasing.

But eventually they had to accept the truth. In May, Coroner Graeme Johnstone investigated Bill Gunn's death without holding an open inquest. "The evidence supports a finding that Geoffrey Gunn died accidentally as a result of toxicity to amphetamines and narcotics."

St Paul's Cathedral, in Bendigo, can comfortably seat about 400. When they buried Billy Gunn there were 500 inside and about the same number in the street. Three tour buses brought mourners from Mildura. Chief Commissioner Christine Nixon is committed to bringing in drug testing for police.

Police are members of the community, she says. They can fall into the same traps as anyone else.

From The Age
 
Dead policeman cleared of pill theft
John Silvester
September 13, 2006

A POLICEMAN who died of a drug overdose has been posthumously cleared of involvement in a theft of pills seized in a drug squad raid.

Geoffrey Gunn was found dead in his Abbotsford home in June 2001. He had 12 pills in his pocket.

Mr Gunn's name was raised during an internal investigation into the theft of ecstasy pills seized by the drug squad in an operation code-named Ayah.

One of the men suspected of the theft was a close friend of Mr Gunn who resigned months after the overdose. He has since been charged with unrelated drug trafficking offences.

But a police forensic analysis of the drugs found on Mr Gunn showed they did not match the pills seized in Ayah.

Detective Superintendent Murray Fraser told The Age: "We have established that the drugs have not come from the drug squad operation."

Mr Gunn's mother, Marlene, has pushed police to publicly disclose the results of the forensic testing for more than a year. "I am immensely relieved that this truth has finally seen its well overdue release," she said.

Investigations are continuing.

From The Age
 
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