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News: Grans dragged into illicit deals - Sunday Times 5th March 06

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Grans dragged into illicit deals

By PETA HELLARD
05mar06


PERTH drug gangs are recruiting grandparents and mothers with young children to buy-to-order over-the-counter medications to be converted into speed.

Known as "pseudo-runners", the people – handpicked for their innocent appearance and convincing manner – shop around WA pharmacies for common over-the-counter medicines containing pseudoephedrine.
Many pharmacists are refusing to sell the products – including tablet and liquid forms of Sudafed, Telfast, Demazin, Clarinase and Codral – to customers if they suspect the medications will not be used legally.

Pharmacy Guild of Australia WA Branch president Harry Zafer said pseudo-runners were proving a major daily issue for pharmacists and staff at the 494 pharmacies across WA.

"We are trying to minimise the risk of runners getting the product, but it is a challenge," Mr Zafer said.

The problem was so widespread that the Federal Government introduced regulations three years ago, limiting purchases to one packet a customer and requiring shoppers to show photo identification.

But pharmacists said increased security measures had not deterred "pseudo-runners" from their shopping quest – with many using fake IDs, shopping in teams and targeting inexperienced staff.

Regulations were made stricter at the start of this year, with the products to be sold only with the consent of the store's pharmacist,

"You feel frustrated and angry because you are trying to sell the drugs for the right reasons to the right people," one pharmacist said.

"But we are in the situation where everyone is a suspect and we have to quiz every customer and make everyone feel uncomfortable.

"It's difficult because these pseudo-runners all look like the average person – they're the elderly, mums, students, guys in suits. They go out of their way to look normal."

Another pharmacist said some runners were conning members of the public into buying the medication for them.

"They all use different lines and sob stories and try to make people feel sorry for them," she said.

"They often work in groups of three or four – one will come in and if we sell it to them then another will come to buy it soon after and so on.

"We have different suss (suspicious) people coming in wanting to buy these medications several times a week."

Pharmacists said pseudoephedrine – which was converted to methamphetamine and cut to make speed – could be easily extracted from the medications in a matter of hours using common household ingredients in a basic home laboratory made from equipment available in hardware stores.

About 1.8g of 70 per cent pure methamphetamine can be extracted from a single 30-tablet packet of Sudafed, which retails for about $13.95.

Police said the "runners" were being paid in drugs or on a cash-a-packet basis.

Det-Sen-Sgt Roger Beer, officer in charge of the Organised Crime Squad, said police were making progress and had shut down 57 laboratories.

From SundayTimes.com.au
 
About 1.8g of 70 per cent pure methamphetamine can be extracted from a single 30-tablet packet of Sudafed, which retails for about $13.95.


...err...someone's got there wire's crossed. I think he meant from 1.8g of pseudo that can be extracted, the likely best yield of meth would be around 70% of the pseudo weight..

In fact, the yield could be expected to be higher if optimum conditions were employed.

What needs to be remembered, is that meth weighs less than the mole equivalent of pseudo. Therefore, 1 gram of pseudo that produces an 70% yield of meth from synthesis would give 1.8g x 0.7* x 0.92g** = 1.165g of meth

So, using his figures of 70% yield, in fact the weight of the meth produced would be ~64% of the original starting weight of pseudo.


pseudo HCl= 200.6g/ mole

meth HCl= 185.70g/ mole

* = max. expected yield
** = 0.92 was obtained by dividing 1 mole of meth, by 1 mole of pseudo.
 
Interesting. If Australia follows the US on this one look for the appearance of familiar cold & flu tablet brands with new designations, eg. Sudafed PE which has "Pseudoephedrine Free!" printed on the front. The active ingredient phenylephrine 10mg is substituted for pseudoephedrine 30mg in most cases.

This totally revolutionises the cold & flu dispensation issue for pharmacists, they can put them right out on the shelf without concern for the speed problem, it seems. With a range of phenylephrine products on sale, it's easy for a pharmacy to require drivers license, address, birthdate etc. for issue of a pharmacy prescription when people insist on obtaining pseudoephedrine products. This will drastically restrict the availability of pseudoephedrine.

From recent personal experience the phenylephrine works alright as a decongestant, but if you're accustomed to the energy lift of pseudoephedrine to help you 'soldier on' it's not quite good enough. (Because phenylephrine is a direct selective alpha-adrenergic receptor agonist, it does not cause the release of endogeneous noradrenaline like the pseudoephedrine does: Wikipedia).

BigTrancer :)
 
1.8g from a box of sudafed?!? Not with acid/base extraction loses... 1.8g is total p-fed in a box of sudafed, using the best extraction method around at the moment, to rid of most the modern day gaaks in the current cold & flu medications you will probably be lucky to get a return of 50%-60% clean p-fed max (depending on chemists skill). Of course there are other extraction methods but none that will remove the new gaaks pharmacutical companies throw in the mix to foil it's illicit use.

Production of meth via cold & flu tablets is becoming so much harder it really isnt practical. The old P2P method seems to be a better route, although the reagents can be hard to obtain, if one can get them it's very basic chemistry.
 
Great to see you back BT.

...using the best extraction method around at the moment, to rid of most the modern day gaaks in the current cold & flu medications you will probably be lucky to get a return of 50%-60% clean p-fed max (depending on chemists skill). Of course there are other extraction methods but none that will remove the new gaaks pharmacutical companies throw in the mix to foil it's illicit use.

I'd be willing to bet that if someone was to use chromatography - even simple column chromatography, most if not all of those gaaks and blockers could be removed.

The old P2P route does indeed use chemicals that are hard to obtain, very hard in fact. Any mention of the ketone sets alarm bells ringing. There are many routes however to make P2P; it all depends upon how resourceful and capable the chemist is. P2P routes are generally way more difficult than the usual reduction process applied to pseudo.
 
BigTrancer said:
Interesting. If Australia follows the US on this one look for the appearance of familiar cold & flu tablet brands with new designations, eg. Sudafed PE which has "Pseudoephedrine Free!" printed on the front. The active ingredient phenylephrine 10mg is substituted for pseudoephedrine 30mg in most cases.

This totally revolutionises the cold & flu dispensation issue for pharmacists, they can put them right out on the shelf without concern for the speed problem, it seems. With a range of phenylephrine products on sale, it's easy for a pharmacy to require drivers license, address, birthdate etc. for issue of a pharmacy prescription when people insist on obtaining pseudoephedrine products. This will drastically restrict the availability of pseudoephedrine.

From recent personal experience the phenylephrine works alright as a decongestant, but if you're accustomed to the energy lift of pseudoephedrine to help you 'soldier on' it's not quite good enough. (Because phenylephrine is a direct selective alpha-adrenergic receptor agonist, it does not cause the release of endogeneous noradrenaline like the pseudoephedrine does: Wikipedia).

BigTrancer :)

Yeah, but BT then the Fed's like Mick Keelty etc... wouldn't get their fat Payouts from the RUNNERS. The Carl Lewis' of the drug trade- Thats why Pseudoephedrine free tablets will not make the shelves, even still- while Ephedra plants are around who needs Pills....

SpecTBK=D
 
I've read the problem with using Ephedra plant material is that there is quite a few other alkaloids that will be extracted along with the ephedrine. Im sure ephedra is a possible route to methamphetamine, but I think the ephedra alkaloid % is quite low so alot a material would be needed to perform RXN.
 
pure dope said:
I've read the problem with using Ephedra plant material is that there is quite a few other alkaloids that will be extracted along with the ephedrine. Im sure ephedra is a possible route to methamphetamine, but I think the ephedra alkaloid % is quite low so alot a material would be needed to perform RXN.

Well if you're putting it that way.... Then while Ephedrine is still available on the shelves of the Bali markets then. All you need is a very fast ciggarette boat and an Australian landing...

Where does ephedrine come from? Ephedra plants....

SpecTBK=D
 
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