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NEWS : 19.4.09 - Govt rolls out $18m anti-drugs adverts

i do agree with jake person. real information on harm prevent would be money well spent. but as i said harm prevention would suggest the government doesnt hate drugs. and we cant have that now can me
 
All the ads do IMO is single us as drug users out and place us all into a stereotype. I hear plenty of kids a year or two younger than me (16, 17) who smoke pot but refuse to go near methamphetamine and MDMA because "only junkies do that shit, if you do ice, you're a junkie". I mean, it's good that teenagers don't want to do the drugs, but its fucking ridiculous that now all us people who use meth recreationally and safely, and dont go into psychotic episodes and actually have a good time are going to be thrown into the stereotype. Its almost as bad as those situations where you see people having lines, you ask them what they're having, their reply is 'speed' and i'm like "aahh the i-banger" to which tehy look at me weird and say "not ice, that shit is fucked, we're just doing speed". Fucking IDIOTS.
 
face__ said:
If legalisation does occur it will be a very slow process made up of tiny tiny steps. i feel as though everyone is expecting it to happen right now.

Despite how misleading or false these ads are, is it really a bad thing that anti-druggies opinion is enforced? I mean would (or do) you want your children to be able to use illegal drugs. Maybe some of you do but I sure as hell wouldn’t

I think this sparks another debate which is off topic but I am interested to know what you all think. If you could erase illegal drugs from the world would you.
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Of course it will be a slow process, but without people wanting it now and trying to bring it about it won't happen.

I actually do want my kids to use drugs, if they want too. But I will make sure they are well informed about their choices and the consequences and risks. Giving my kid his/her first bong would be a proud moment IMO. Of course they would have to be a decent age.

Nobel Prize Winner for Chemistry in 1993 and inventor of PCR, a method for detecting even the smallest amount of DNA in ancient materials. "Would I have invented PCR if I hadn't taken LSD? I seriously doubt it," he says. "I could sit on a DNA molecule and watch the polymers go by. I learnt that partly on psychedelic drugs."
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Do you think the world would be the same with out the drug fuelled 60's?

The fact is drugs have been and will continue to be a major part of our society, for a very long time. We can embrace this and reduce harm. Or we can "Just say no."
 
omg i kept seeing these posters all over the weekend. It really does quite the opposite for drug community when people see massive shards popping up all over billboards lol. And then monday night im lying in bed and see the xtc ads. They were just laughable with some guy in hospital because he broke his front teeth and all the other random things that they say may happen to you. I do find it funny how they say "you don't know what it will do to you" and thats the statement they bring across. Its niether positive or negative its just saying you don't know yet they act it out so dramatically.
 
They know a helluva lot less about what it will do than what we do. Well some of us.
 
i realise drugs do have a lot to offer but still with my own son or daughter i would not approve.

although great things have arisen from use, the possibly consequences and negative things in my opinion outweigh the bad and i would prefer my loved ones didn’t. This of course makes me a hypocrite since i do so feel free to dismiss me and my contradicting opinion. hahaha

Now the issue of responsible use is tricky. i believe i am responsible as are the vast majority of this forum but a lot of people aren’t responsible and where does one draw the line of what is considered responsible. awareness and information is the key here but we cant rely on the government to do that.
 
creative wise drugs have alot to offer i am sure none of my favourite bands would be so great without the influence of drugs. but think of the consquences. i mean the people that could have gone on to do great things but were stopped by drugs.
 
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^ Reminds me of that Bill Hicks quote... the one in Third Eye

"See, I think drugs have done some good things for us, I really do. And if you don't believe drugs have done good things for us, do me a favour: go home tonight and take all your albums, all your tapes, and all your CDs and burn em. 'Cause you know what? The musicians who've made all that great music that's enhanced your lives throughout the years...
Rrrrrrrrrrrrreal fucking high on drugs."

It's not a war on drugs, it's a war on personal freedom. Keep that in mind at all times.
 
Yep, gotta take the good with the bad.

If it weren't for the twenty years of learning I have compacted into the last 2, I would consider the entire 24 months of my life to be a complete waste.

Was dead against drugs for my first 21 years of life after seeing the way dope & alcohol tore parts of my immediate family apart. In the end any kind of drug use depends wholly on the personality type, and knowing where to draw the line.
 
Brilliant song and great quotes. I like how after the musician quote the laughter and applause is cut short in the song to show that it isn't a joke. it's just the truth. That's a Tool song for all of you who don't know.

face__ said:
although great things have arisen from use, the possibly consequences and negative things in my opinion outweigh the bad and i would prefer my loved ones didn’t. This of course makes me a hypocrite since i do so feel free to dismiss me and my contradicting opinion. hahaha

Now the issue of responsible use is tricky. i believe i am responsible as are the vast majority of this forum but a lot of people aren’t responsible and where does one draw the line of what is considered responsible. awareness and information is the key here but we cant rely on the government to do that.
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In what ways do the negatives outweigh the good? I would think if you truly believed that you wouldn't be using them. Unless for an escape.
And why with your loved ones would you prefer them not to take drugs?
Don't mean to seem like I'm attacking just wanna try and under stand your reasoning more.

And of course every one has varying ideas on what responsible is. I believe I am a responsible user but some times I go overboard. We all do.
And no we can't rely on the Government, that's why we have Bluelight and us guys trying to figure out ways to promote HR. (Eg. The Youtube idea.) But unfortunately in the end, the Government is the only thing the masses are going to listen to. So we need to show them and prove that this is the only way forward, once we have them on our side, it's easy street towards a better and healthier society.%)
 
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That also happens to people who abuse the consumption of alcohol, internet porn, fast food, medication....

aside from the possibility of the porn the others don't have obvious criminal elements to it.

In relation to the recycled ads, true you don't know what it will do to you if you stay uninformed like the government is keeping the general public with these ads.

Great posts Jakeperson - sums up the sentiment nicely
 
bit of a late reply but you make a very valid point in regards to why I would use and it can be simply explained. The fact is lately I have been leaning towards and concidering completely stopping use.

When I first started it was purely out of curiosity and I knew it so I tried the things I wanted too. lsd, nitrious, weed, oxy etc. But then I realised after doing these things more than twice I was no longer doing it for curiosities sake lol. I intend on finishing my degree and probably do masters in pharmacy. My mind doesn’t feel the same days after using, I feel slower, unfit and just generally less sharp. And even though what the government says is bullshit we don’t really know the effects drug use has on our bodies. Some people can use all their life and be very successful and happy others can end up just plain fucked. I suppose I am really not willing to take the chance.

Combined with a large portion of my social network being against drug use as well as recently having an eye opening experience with some street kids, drugs are just becoming less and less attractive.

Ironically enough the one I am most likely to use if i do continue will be opiates/opiods. Leaves my mind alone I never feel shit after but is potentially the most harmful and of course addictive class out there.

btw jakeperson i am glad your rebuttals are of understanding in nature not just a matter of winning an argument

anyway please excuse my excessive blabbering and continue to live your lives as you desire

p.s when i use the term drug it does include alcohol as i see drinking as bad if not worst than any other substance. the fact is our bodies have somewhat adapted to its consumption and since its been around for thousands of years in so many cultures its socially acceptable.
 
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Essentially everyone on this site is a drug user and so opinions are always going to be bias but just be careful you don’t become as bad as the other end of the spectrum (drug haters/government) in the way of ignorance and having a closed mind.
 
permastoned said:
dude... that happens all the time.
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Look it doesn't happen to everybody - it does happen, but they make it so fucking dramatic. I know plently of people who use shards daily and have their own business they run themselves, and successful ones at that. As breecamb said; it is not just ice that destroys careers.. there is a wide variety of things that have potential to destroy careers.
 
Nice few points their claire22, plenty of things can ruin careers like a bad relationship break up, family problems and even intra-personal issues it all comes down to the individual and how they handle problems that arise...

On a side note though if they want to deter people from using heroin then I think they should suggest to people to read 'The Heroin Diaries' by Nikki Sixx... That would turn me off it a bit that's for damn sure!

They have got plenty of other tactics they could use to over come this but the scare tactics they are using at the moment are not going to help at all... Actually come to think of it people are going to use drugs no matter what you tell them so maybe they should give up and move more toward a HR campaign to better inform people the danger associated with drugs and what to do in case something bad does happen/go wrong!

They just don't want to be bombarded by all the criticism that the public would give them and how much more extreme journalists would make it look...
 
the governments strategy is a prety good one if you critique it, what they are trying to do is use a fear and reality based campagin. This is aimed to educate people about problematic drug use and aims to keep people at least in the experimental stage of drug use without moving on.

when the gov starts introducing further legislation which inhibits the rights of people, because the adverts tie in the social fears people think oppressive laws are ok.
ahhhh governemtn policing ..... ah i mean policy
 
^ Yeah, sort of like world security issues and the public largely accepting there's a need to sacrifice personal liberties in order to preserve freedom :\
 
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