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⫸STICKY⫷ Need YOUR help!! Update the "Welcome Wagon" message new members are sent!

TheLoveBandit

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When a new member registers, they get a system driven private message (PM) that welcomes them to the site and provides a lot of useful information. I'll post the full body below, but we're asking for new members and old to give us some feedback on making the message more useful.

We are looking to do some site restructuring, possibly moving or merging some forums, so those will obviously get reflected in any new message. However, can you look at this and give your opinion on:

Does the NSFW section of additional forums become too much information? Or is it good to give a whole site overview in the initial welcome package?

Is any of it misleading or poorly worded, or simply in need of removal as being pointless or useless?

Is there anything you thought of that new members should be made aware of upon their arrival?

Any and all feedback is wanted and encouraged - YOUR experience helps make the next person's arrival that much better. Thank you for helping.


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Welcome to Bluelight!

We're excited that you've chosen to join the world's largest online forum dedicated to Harm Reduction. We hope that, regardless of the reason you've chosen to join us, you stay and become an active member of the community.

The rules

Like any community we have a few rules to try to keep things safe, positive, welcoming and fun. We'll keep it brief right now but we encourage you to familiarise yourself with a couple of really simple guidelines:

  • No sourcing or supply: This really is one of the golden rules at Bluelight. We're not here to enable the sale or purchase of drugs and, because this is so central to our core values, we're pretty zero-tolerance about it. If you have joined to buy or sell drugs and you post about it in our forums, you'll be banned immediately.
  • Keep it civil: Bluelight is a large, vibrant community where all manner of topics, some controversial, are discussed. disagreement is to be expected and encouraged but please focus on discussing the subject, not attacking the person.
  • No SWIMming: using terms like 'SWIM/my pet hamster/my mum's iguana' do not protect you and are just silly to read. We don't do that here.
  • Search first: if you have a question, it's probably been asked before. Try using the BL search feature or the site Google search at the top left corner of the page before you post a question.
There's more on our rules in the hidden section below but that's it for now. Pretty straightforward, right?

Getting started

  • Introduce yourself: Post a quick intro. in New Member Introductions.
  • Post basic questions: For many new Bluelighters the Basic Drug Discussion is the first stop for questions about safe use.
  • Know how to get help: If you have a question about the site, posting rules, how to use the site software, or anything else Bluelight-related, either post a response in a relevant thread in our Support forum or drop an email to [email protected].
The discussion forums

Again, there's a fuller list of forums in the hidden section below but here's a quick tour of the main categories into which Bluelight is divided:

If you are interested in reading the site rules in more depth or learning more about individual forums in the various categories, click the "NSFW" button bellow to expand a larger section.

It's great to have you!

The Bluelight Team


NSFW:

Bluelight's Mission and the Rules
Bluelight's formal mission statement is: "Bluelight is an international, online harm-reduction community, committed to reducing the harm associated with drug use.

Bluelight neither condones nor condemns the use of drugs. Rather, we accept that drug use will always exist irrespective of legal status or societal norms. While there is no truly safe way to use drugs, we understand that prohibition and abstinence are not realistic or desirable solutions for everyone, nor have they been adequate in addressing the serious public health concerns associated with drug use.

While there is no universal definition of drug-related harm reduction, Bluelight believes that through frank and open discussion we are able to deliver accurate information, eliminate misinformation and empower individuals to make wiser, more responsible choices.

Bluelight understands that drug use encompasses a broad range of behaviors, some safer than others, and that drug use can progress towards increased risk with some individuals. We encourage our community to be honest and cognizant of their drug use and understand the warning signs of abuse and addiction before they manifest.

Bluelight also hosts a robust recovery community for those seeking a way out of drug abuse and addiction. These forums invite visitors to discuss addiction and sobriety in a non-judgmental setting, share recovery resources and encourage members to seek help. We believe there are various roads to recovery, including 12-step programs such as Narcotics/Alcoholics Anonymous and alternatives such as SMART Recovery.

Bluelight’s overarching philosophy is a simple: Meet people where they are and encourage open dialogue that empowers the individual to be the primary agent of her own physical, mental and emotional wellbeing.
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You can read the site-wide rules to which you agree when you register here: The Bluelight User Agreement

Please remember that different forums have different community standards and what's acceptable in one forum may be frowned upon in another. Always be sure to familiare yourself with the individual forum guidelines which are generally linked at the top of every forum page.

The discussion forums

Bluelight Feedback:

Here we provide announcements regarding the site and for answering technical support questions for all users. If you have feedback on anything we do, feel free to post your comments in our Support forum.

Bluelight Basics:

New members are encouraged to introduce themselves in New Member Introductions. You can also practice posting, test out a new avatar or play with our posting settings in Testing Grounds.

If you aren't sure where your new thread belongs, feel free to post it in the Homeless forum. If you have a question that you would like to ask but would like to remain anonymous, post your question or reply in Anonymous. Be sure to log out of your account, first!

Focus Forums:

These forums cater to harm reduction related questions that are more specific than basic questions.

  • Drug FAQs answer frequently asked questions to basic questions. This forum is not open to new posts.
  • Ecstasy Discussion answers questions about MDMA, MDA, and other closely related drugs. You may also be interested in the pillreports.com forums which are administered separately, but hosted by Bluelight.
  • Cannabis Discussion focuses on intelligent discussion of basic and advanced cannabis related topics.
  • Steroid Discussion is focused on anabolic steroids, hormones and supplements.
  • Psychedelic Drugs is for the discussion of psychedelics and dissociatives, e.g. LSD, mushrooms, ketamine, and various 'research chemicals'.
  • Other Drugs caters to advanced discussion on other drugs such as opiates, benzos, cocaine, and other drugs which do not fit into the other focus forums.
Drug Discussion:

This section of the site is for discussion relating to Drug Studies, the discussion of Drugs in the Media, and Drug Culture.

Also, Basic Drug Discussion questions may be asked, as well as discussion related to Advanced Drug Discussion including journal articles & drug science.

You will also find detailed, first-hand Trip Reports, as well as support, advice, and discussion related to The Dark Side of drug use.

Community Forums:

Here you will find an eclectic mix of forums related to non-drug discussion topics.

  • Healthy Living caters to questions regarding living a healthier lifestyle.
  • Current Events & Politics is a place where you can discuss global politics and events.
  • Sex, Love & Relationships covers a variety of topics related to relationships, sex, and other related topics.
  • Philosophy & Spirituality is where you can discuss your latest musings.
  • Education & Careers covers discussion related to education at all levels, as well as career help & discussion.
  • Legal Discussion is where you can get legal advice on a variety of topics.
  • Second Opinion covers serious off-topic discussion related to advice on a variety of topics.
  • Science & Technology focuses on discussion of science, trends in technology, or advice regarding computer support.
  • The Lounge is for light hearted & social discussion with no drug discussion. Post at your own risk! Note: You have to become a Bluelighter to participate in this forum.
Arts & Entertainment:

Like music? Discussion on electronic & non-electronic forums have everyone covered. Or if you're more into poetry, literary discussion, or songs, Words has you covered.

Even if you're a film snob or a casual fan, you'll feel right at home in Film & Television. Or if you're a gamer, gambler, or sports enthusiast, stop by Sports & Gaming.

Australia & Asia

Serious and focused regional Drug Discussion, as well as Social & Events discussion related to Australia, New Zealand, Asia, and the surrounding areas.

Europe & Africa:

Social & Drug Discussion is combined providing a range of everyday discussion, as well as Events pertaining to the European & African countries.

North & South America:

Forums dedicated to Drug Discussion, Social Issues & Events for the North, Central & South American regions.

Bluelight History:

This forum is dedicated to the collection of the Best of Bluelight, the Bluelight Shrine memorial for our users who have passed on, essays regarding Harm Reduction, General Archives for the smaller forums, and the Closed Bluelight Forum from November 1999 - January 2000 when Bluelight was a tiny flicker.
 

Squeaky

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Too much info will get skimmed over or just not read. Too little will obviously leave folks underinformed (and most people dont read the fine print)

The current message seems to be on target. Changing it might be a mistake
 

White_Rose

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For historic context the Mods in this sub forum changed the message (and rules) about posting your location about three months ago if memory serves. Previously if you posted your location it was an automatic infraction.
 

IceSuisho

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Maybe quick link section that leads to popular forums as well as the newbie ones?*
 

White_Rose

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There's already quick links to the popular forums IceSushio ;)

The discussion forums

Again, there's a fuller list of forums in the hidden section below but here's a quick tour of the main categories into which Bluelight is divided:


 

TheLoveBandit

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how about a suggestion that the new member try to have a decent username. IMO, some are bloody stupid.
By the time they read the PM, they already have their name :eek:

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Thanks for the feedback. Anything is appreciated.

Personally, I felt like the PM is a massive overload of information that might be better presented and maintained by a few short links to key threads that are stickied in NMI or elsewhere. For example, the forum summary...obviously outdated, structure needs to be updated, and as we head into more forum merges it is likely to be revised multiple times. If the Welcome Wagon PM says simply "Check this linked thread" then it always stays up to date.
 

madness00

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I honestly really like it as is, it covers pretty much everything.

They'll skim the Bolded topics, see if interested, then look into more closely if they desire.

Now it it were an unbolded wall of text, like the introduction for new mods PM, i may get overloaded.

But the organization and layout is so well done that i think it really is good like this - it allows them to delve deep or back out at any time.
 

White_Rose

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By the time they read the PM, they already have their name :eek:

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Thanks for the feedback. Anything is appreciated.

Personally, I felt like the PM is a massive overload of information that might be better presented and maintained by a few short links to key threads that are stickied in NMI or elsewhere. For example, the forum summary...obviously outdated, structure needs to be updated, and as we head into more forum merges it is likely to be revised multiple times. If the Welcome Wagon PM says simply "Check this linked thread" then it always stays up to date.
I am a big fan of the KISS model and agree that a link to a centralized message would be much easier and more effective to maintain, yet convey the same ideas. I am open to that change. :)
 
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DrumTripper

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As a green particle here, I found it informative about a week in. I read the rules, then just dove in. When I needed more, I dug deeper. What is the single most driving purpose for change? Do some find it confusing?
Usually those that ignore welcomes and rules will continue to ignore, no matter how great the typesetting and layout may be.
IF you wanna steer the creative away from silly usernames, maybe an example of a good and not so good name? Hmmm, that’d be pretty hard...
 

zephyr

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The no swim thing is given too much importance, tbh it's really more annoying to have 50 ppl point it out and become used for infracting, does it have to be such a feature?


Theres too many stupid inane guidelines per forum too.


Too many rules added over the years, maybe strip all back to basics and let those who insist on these rules go away .
 

TheLoveBandit

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As a green particle here, I found it informative about a week in. I read the rules, then just dove in. When I needed more, I dug deeper. What is the single most driving purpose for change? Do some find it confusing?
Usually those that ignore welcomes and rules will continue to ignore, no matter how great the typesetting and layout may be.
IF you wanna steer the creative away from silly usernames, maybe an example of a good and not so good name? Hmmm, that’d be pretty hard...
First, thank you very much for providing the perspective of a recently joined member. That's the kinda feedback we really need! Not to discredit the more experienced members and staff, but to be quite honest, most of them haven't looked at this message in years :\

There is no single driving purpose for change - it's more a matter that this was written about 10y ago and not updated much since then. This struck home with the forum restructuring we're looking at doing, and how it needs to be more accurately reflected in various areas of the site, and a Welcome Wagon message really ought not be out of date - kinda poor effort if the first message upon joining a site is something that is wrong. :\ Over 10y the general public has evolved, new members are more web savvy than back then, so we thought we should validate the message is still useful and not missing something or overwhelming with too much info. The message is for the new members, it is probably smart to check with new members on it's effectiveness more than once a decade.

The no swim thing is given too much importance, tbh it's really more annoying to have 50 ppl point it out and become used for infracting, does it have to be such a feature?

Theres too many stupid inane guidelines per forum too.

Too many rules added over the years, maybe strip all back to basics and let those who insist on these rules go away .
Lol...the SWIM is a leftover from 10y+ ago. I have no idea how prevalent it is on other sites these days. The overwhelming use of it made reading content annoying back then, and given that people are fairly well anonymous behind screen names it didn't serve any purpose to be used here. It's a fair ask if that, or other site/forum rules need to be reviewed for updating, so as we look at restructuring the forums we should review your suggestion going forward. For now, let's focus on the Welcome Wagon message, and what content there needs to be updated. ;)
 

Jane of Hearts

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I have just joined and believe the message is well done. I must admit, I did a quick scan knowing I could refer back to it if I needed to. I liked the fact that it emphasizes the important points without being too lengthy.

Like most newbies, I was excited about jumping right in. The last thing I wanted to do was read page after page of rules that are for the most part common sense. I learn by exploring a site at my own pace and usually try to poke around for awhile without stepping on any toes.

I wish I had an observation that could improve it, but I don't. It serves the purpose.

Thanks for asking for feedback, it makes us greenlighters feel valued.

Be safe.
 

LiddoSicko3

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I can say that new members should be made aware that what?s being read is never considered 100% trustworthy and they should also be very specific on any questions/answers/opinions/
experiences/advice etc..
 

Squeaky

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The no swim thing is still very relevant. I recently read a post on another website where the user posted SWIM about 25 times inside of two paragraphs. It was cartoonish and immediately reminded me of Bluelights policy on SWIM.
 

crystalcouple17

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Uupdating the Welcome Wagon Message

Hello! I'm new to BL, as I've just joined today. Before I joined I looked over the wiki page, and since I did that I believe it would be beneficial to change the message fo a simple welcome and thanks for joining type message. A lot of the times, with myself included when I see lots of text I skim and dont get the information. After a brief welcome in the beginning I would have a mini FAQ, with direct links to the wiki, instead of the mass text in the message. redirecting them to the wiki will allow them to get direct answers to specific questions they might have that is not on the welcome message, while skipping the b.s.! I also found that when on the wiki page suggested FAQ's were listed and I ended up clicking on a bunch while reading, and got a bunch of info that I wouldnt have bothered or even thought to look into on my own. to wrap it up: simply add a brief welcome and thank you, as well as a "dont give your personal info or others, do not promote crimes, do not attempt to sell", and then a direct link to the wiki with some examples of FAQ's!
 

TheLoveBandit

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Thanks for asking for feedback, it makes us greenlighters feel valued.
Thank you ALL for your feedback. Everyone here is valued, regardless of title or experience. In this specific instance, our new members are absolutely the BEST people to ask about this welcome wagon message, so we greatly appreciate the comments all of you are willing to provide. Keep 'em coming!
 
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