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Methylone vs MDMA

nickbfry said:
Methylone is definitely different than mdma. a lot of people pass if off as molly which should be pure mdma. Imo It does not have that magic that a good pressed pill or some nice clean molly has. It definitely can be a good alternative if its the only thing around but
it should only cost a fraction of the price. this is where a test kit comes in very handy. you wanna make sure your not overpaying for this stiff because it wont have you smacked like some quality mdma based pills.
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I've never quite understood the test kit crowd. If you're informed enough to know that whatever you're buying is not MDMA you really have a few choices - 1. don't buy it. 2. buy actual MDMA

Your post is pretty accurate though.
 
Rossak said:
I've never quite understood the test kit crowd. If you're informed enough to know that whatever you're buying is not MDMA you really have a few choices - 1. don't buy it. 2. buy actual MDMA

Your post is pretty accurate though.
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Could you elaborate? Especially the part in bold I have a hard time following. Do you mean by 'informed enough' that you have experience and so can distinguish between the different effects? Because if that is the case, a testkit tells you what drugs you have beforeyou take them, which is well, a huge bonus =D
 
BlueBull said:
Could you elaborate? Especially the part in bold I have a hard time following. Do you mean by 'informed enough' that you have experience and so can distinguish between the different effects? Because if that is the case, a testkit tells you what drugs you have beforeyou take them, which is well, a huge bonus =D
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Yes, exactly.

I guess I'm just spoiled. If I got MDMA from someone on the street, I pretty much know it's going to be MDMA. My experience will validate this.

There has been an occasion I bought "Molly" from someone and it tested to black but it was so cheap and not like MDMA, I found it odd.
 
I feel like a junkie...with bs pink molly I'm not going to pick up anything soon until it gets to the pure mdma
 
I don't know how much I took but I've been up for 2 days like a junkie....never again only pure mdma from now on
 
Rossak said:
Yes, exactly.

I guess I'm just spoiled. If I got MDMA from someone on the street, I pretty much know it's going to be MDMA. My experience will validate this.

There has been an occasion I bought "Molly" from someone and it tested to black but it was so cheap and not like MDMA, I found it odd.
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I don't really understand what your point is?

The only way to know what you have is to test it, taste/smell/appearance or even the experience when ingested are not anywhere near close to reliable methods of identifying a substance chemically.
 
terarc said:
I don't really understand what your point is?

The only way to know what you have is to test it, taste/smell/appearance or even the experience when ingested are not anywhere near close to reliable methods of identifying a substance chemically.
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Beta-ketones are much more soluble in water than MDMA

bk-MDMA (Methylone) has solubility of 357mg per ml -- or 1.75 grams in a teaspoon of water

MDMA is not very soluble - especially in crystal form


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terarc said:
I don't really understand what your point is?

The only way to know what you have is to test it, taste/smell/appearance or even the experience when ingested are not anywhere near close to reliable methods of identifying a substance chemically.
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Testing it won't tell you what you actually have, it only identifies the presence of a substance.

Marquis will return purple/black for MDXX, DXM, codeine, morphine, and heroin

Marquis does not react with PMA, any piperazines, many cathinones, and thew 2-CT-X

So, a pill with a little MDMA plus any of the following: DXM, codeine, morphine, bath salts, PMA (deadly), mephedrone, and the C-Ts; will return purple black.

What about foxy Methoxy?? what does it show on a Marquis?

SO -- to the Moderators -- is it actually harm reduction to say a Marquis test tells you a pill is OK? Or should one also look to other means to support the test -- like solubility, and dosage?


I think one can say with as much certainty one can base a purple/black marquis reaction -- that a 5-10 mg dose resulting in +2 euphoria in 30 minutes -- IS CATEGORICALLY NOT MDMA

And we also know for certain that such doses are indicative of other substances that masquerade as MDMA
 
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Just get a reagent test kit. They're £10.

MDMA is very soluble in water too, and methylone is poorly soluble in acetone. Again, nothing beats reagent tests for home testing.
 
Transform said:
Just get a reagent test kit. They're £10.

MDMA is very soluble in water too, and methylone is poorly soluble in acetone. Again, nothing beats reagent tests for home testing.
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crystal MDMA is decidedly NOT very soluble in water.

Place a rock of actual crystal MDMA-HCL in room temp water and watch how long it takes to dissolve (hell, put a 50 mg rock of crystal mdma in your mouth and see how long it takes to dissolve (you cant break it with your teeth)

I have watched a 100 mg rock of substituted cathinone dissolve in a few tens of seconds in room temp water
 
^ Umm...large clumps of most substances dissolve more slowly in water because there is less surface area available to the water molecules to work their magic. I imagine any large clumps of solid material will take a lot longer to dissolve than if the lump is crushed into a powder first and then water added.

Solubility is not going to be measured in this way. Have you ever watched a sugar cube dissolve in a cup of tea; it takes its sweet arse time but a spoonful of sugar is dissolved in an instant.
 
Biscuit said:
^ Umm...large clumps of most substances dissolve more slowly in water because there is less surface area available to the water molecules to work their magic. I imagine any large clumps of solid material will take a lot longer to dissolve than if the lump is crushed into a powder first and then water added.

Solubility is not going to be measured in this way. Have you ever watched a sugar cube dissolve in a cup of tea; it takes its sweet arse time but a spoonful of sugar is dissolved in an instant.
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I have watched a 100 mg rock of a substituted cathinone dissolve in front of my eyes in under a minute, I have watched a 15 mg crystal of MDMA sit happily in water for 10 minutes without dissolving
 
That's great, which cathinone? Are they all identical?

What you are talking about is dissolution speed, not solubility, and I would not be surprised to find a 100mg crystal of MDMA took under a minute to dissolve with a little stirring. Reagent tests are MUCH more reliable than unquantified speculation so we'll stick to them until somebody wants to do some research on this topic.
 
I am not certain which, if any, salt of MDMA is generally produced, but the salt can greatly affect the dissolution (not the solubility, of course -- the solubility of a drug refers to the free drug, not salts of the drug). Is MDMA typically available as the hydrochloride? My books are in boxes and I don't feel like searching for PiHKAL.

The classic example of this is the original propoxyphene HCl (Darvon), and the "abuse proof" propoxyphene napsylate (Darvon-N; Darvocet). The HCl is freely soluble in water and can be easily shot, but the napsylate is virtually insoluble. Yet it's the same drug.

Of course, it's hard to imagine why anyone would want to shoot Darvon at all.

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Eaton T Fores said:
I am not certain which, if any, salt of MDMA is generally produced, but the salt can greatly affect the dissolution (not the solubility, of course -- the solubility of a drug refers to the free drug, not salts of the drug). Is MDMA typically available as the hydrochloride? My books are in boxes and I don't feel like searching for PiHKAL.

The classic example of this is the original propoxyphene HCl (Darvon), and the "abuse proof" propoxyphene napsylate (Darvon-N; Darvocet). The HCl is freely soluble in water and can be easily shot, but the napsylate is virtually insoluble. Yet it's the same drug.

Of course, it's hard to imagine why anyone would want to shoot Darvon at all.

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solubility refers to how much of one compound can go into solution in a particular volume of solvent. and a salt falls the definition of one compound here. dissolution simply is the process of going into solution. when talking about dissolution, typically the speed of the process is relevant and this speed does not necessarily correlate with the solubility of a compound.

in >99% of the cases mdma is found as hcl salt. hcl is readily available, the process of converting the free base into salt is easy and the hcl salt has no undesirable properties (as is the case with amphetamine), so there is no reason to use anything else.
 
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TheRaveMoses said:
I actually experience the same issue with the vasoconstriction. I'm wondering if there's anyway to fix that, because while the issue isn't really there while rolling on MDMA, there is NO way I could ever fuck on it lol. I'm way too floored to even stand, let alone have sex.
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Try taking viagra it works for my husband
 
I have had quite a few different experiences I no for a fact one weekend at Nelson ledges I had MDMA cause It was tested and the euphoria was over the top but I think I did to much in a night cause I was so confused I didn't no what was going on at all like it was almost scary. Has that happened to anyone else? I got lost in the woods and everything and I was tripping like crazy

Now I'm not positive that what I took last night is BK MDMA cause I don't have a test kit but it is just like everyone is describing it much more speedy doesn't last as long sex is crazy good and as someone said before "dirty" awesome body buzz also my hubs can't get an erection at all and the come down is just terrible also probably did to much. Dosag I started with about .2 orally and I snorted tiny lines throughout the night definitely bad idea to redose. I couldn't swallow my spit earlier today and I did a little research and it's like your choking so you produce more silva because snorting "Molly" or BK goes straight to your lungs (wich I didn't no) I also wondered why I have such trouble breathing the next day and the hubby is fine (he doesn't snort it) now I no

I have a question I did some other stuff also no test kit it was 1g chunk tented pinkish brown almost everytime I got it and it is heavier vs the BK being a little more broke up and brown and liter when u do break it up it doesn't double very powerful when snorted un like this other stuff not so much so I guess what I'm asking is what do you think it could be? Of course said by dealer Molly but I figured it to be BK or could they both be a form of BK and my tolerance is high for stuff I said was a little weaker I probably did it once a week give or take day for a few weeks and last night I got it from else where also said it was Molly that I believe is BK but it was much better still nothing as good as MDMA just can't find it anymore

Ps.sorry so scattered my brain isn't working properly I can't sleeeep ahhhh
 
Ive had a lot of mdma in my day, and a lot of methylone. M1 is hardly more speedy than mdma, and I found it far less psychedelic compared to mdma, but your mileage may vary.

With sooooo many misrepresented substances you can hardly use your husbands erections and perceived speediness as a litmus test for whether you have one substance or the other.

Zebra_Girl said:
I have had quite a few different experiences I no for a fact one weekend at Nelson ledges I had MDMA cause It was tested and the euphoria was over the top but I think I did to much in a night cause I was so confused I didn't no what was going on at all like it was almost scary. Has that happened to anyone else? I got lost in the woods and everything and I was tripping like crazy

Now I'm not positive that what I took last night is BK MDMA cause I don't have a test kit but it is just like everyone is describing it much more speedy doesn't last as long sex is crazy good and as someone said before "dirty" awesome body buzz also my hubs can't get an erection at all and the come down is just terrible also probably did to much. Dosag I started with about .2 orally and I snorted tiny lines throughout the night definitely bad idea to redose. I couldn't swallow my spit earlier today and I did a little research and it's like your choking so you produce more silva because snorting "Molly" or BK goes straight to your lungs (wich I didn't no) I also wondered why I have such trouble breathing the next day and the hubby is fine (he doesn't snort it) now I no

I have a question I did some other stuff also no test kit it was 1g chunk tented pinkish brown almost everytime I got it and it is heavier vs the BK being a little more broke up and brown and liter when u do break it up it doesn't double very powerful when snorted un like this other stuff not so much so I guess what I'm asking is what do you think it could be? Of course said by dealer Molly but I figured it to be BK or could they both be a form of BK and my tolerance is high for stuff I said was a little weaker I probably did it once a week give or take day for a few weeks and last night I got it from else where also said it was Molly that I believe is BK but it was much better still nothing as good as MDMA just can't find it anymore

Ps.sorry so scattered my brain isn't working properly I can't sleeeep ahhhh
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