Hello everyone,
I'v been an opiate addict for the last 8 years, not the whole time.. its been over 8 years but I'v been clean about 1.5 years, maby abit more, out of that time... that last time I was clean was about 2.5-3 years ago and I was clean for 11 months and was loving life and rarely ever thought about using opiates, that really should have stayed that way but that little voice tells you that things are going well and maby you can use just every once in awhile... was a big mistake and I hate myself for letting it go this long, but now its time to face the music.
I'v had abit of a wakeup call lately and im ready to quit, I tried doing a cold turkey and almost lost my mind, now I'm tapering while researching my options, a few things came up that apparently have helped some people take away 80-100% of the WD's, not just for people with small habits or short lengths of abuse either, I'v seen people with 7 year + straight habits say one or the other method worked for them and gave them their life back. Both methods I'll mention do have the odd person saying it didn't work for them, so there does appear to be a variable of personal body chemistry, but the majority of people said it worked for them for both methods.
The first method I'm sure alot of you have heard about if you've spent any meaningful time researching opiate withdrawal, especially on this forum or others, which is taking high doses of loperamide, also known as immodium, I didn't make this thread about that as there is already a large amount of threads on the topic, but I'll touch briefly on it because of the potential it has same as the next method... normally people take 1-2 pills just for the shits during WD and it works well for that, its not suppose to cross the blood-brain barrier so you can't get high off it(although some people have gotten high on, but I believe it has to with what I said earlier about personal body chemistry)...
But what some people do is take like 10-20 pills, twice a day, and report that it removes 80-100% of the WD's, this works better if your drug of choice's dosage isn't extremely high, everything from low to moderately high seems to work quite well, there is plenty of threads out there if this is new to anyone and wants to research it. The problem is I'v already read abunch of people who used it for this reason(to get off opiates), but they somewhat foolishly took them to long, and soon found that when they tried to get off the loperamide, they had bad WD's from it, as they waited to long and just switched one opiate for another, I still think it works well for 90% of people, but honestly the WD's these people described scared me alot.. So I kept looking for other options, honestly not expecting to find anything.
Then I came across some people talking about taking high doses of vitamin C, it didn't really make sense that that could do anything, I have a pretty good idea of how addiction works, with opiate receptors and tolerance, and natural things like dopamine and endorphine production being shut down, not only are they shut down and have to get started back up after a long time being shut down, but your receptors have become desensitized(ie the opiate tolerance you experience) which causes your dopamine and endorphins to not work very well even when production starts back up... so the idea the vitamin C could somehow block WD's didnt make any sense, but I researched it and found quite a few threads and posts of people saying they tried it and it was basically a miracle for them, taking away 80-100% of WD symptoms, and again it wasn't just with people who had small habits or had only been using a couple months, one person said they quit a 7 year long methadone habit, jumping from 80mg a day cold turkey, taking high doses of vitamin C, and experienced almost no WD's at all, I believe they took the vitamin C for 3 weeks and tapered near the end.
There is more then just the anectdotal evidence of people posting their success with this on forums, there is atleast half a dozen scientific studies about this that have been done, on mice/rats and guniea pigs, aswell as heroin addicts, and all of them have found it to be effective to lower WD symptoms significantly, I won't post the links here as I said there is anothe thread, actually a number, on this forum aswell as some others, if you do a search for them, that have the links, aswell you can find the links independently on google.
By the way, recommended daily intake of vitamin c, for just nutritional reasons(or as i understand it, the minimum you need to prevent acute scurvy) is something like 45-60mg a day, the dosages we are talking about to prevent WD's are between 20-100 GRAMS a day, if you were to take this much of just plain old ascorbic acid you would have incredible bad cramps/diarrea, which is why people doing this take another form, either sodium or calcium ascorbate, which is more or less the same thing but not as acid for the body and you can tolerate much higher dosages. Another thing, which I believe is the reason that the few people who have tried it and it not work, is that vitamin C gets metabolized and flushed out of the body very quickly, you can't just take a dosage a couple times a day, or even 4 times a day... the protocals for this say to take a dosage every 1-2 hours, adding up to roughly around 40-60 grams over the course of 24 hours.
Anyways I didn't mean for this thread to be about me educating people about how all this works, I wanted to ask anybody reading this if they have tried this method and if it worked for them, if it did or didnt please tell me the method you used, how much you used and how often you used, saying that you took one dosage of 10grams and it didnt cure you doesn't help me really as thats not what is called for.
Also please refrain from calling this bullshit and saying it wouldn't/couldn't work if you havn't atleast tried it and know that for a fact it didn't work for you, if you have tried then by all means go ahead.
Its worth mentioning that even though the doses are so high, that buying sodium ascorbate in bulk isn't that expensive, i bought 750grams for about 70$ plus shipping only the other day, it will be here in a couple days and I am going to be trying this to see if it works, but I'm trying to get the most information possible in the meantime, alot of the threads I'v read are atleast 1-2 years old and I didnt want to necro them, so this is a more recent thread on the topic if anyone wants to discuss it.
I'v been an opiate addict for the last 8 years, not the whole time.. its been over 8 years but I'v been clean about 1.5 years, maby abit more, out of that time... that last time I was clean was about 2.5-3 years ago and I was clean for 11 months and was loving life and rarely ever thought about using opiates, that really should have stayed that way but that little voice tells you that things are going well and maby you can use just every once in awhile... was a big mistake and I hate myself for letting it go this long, but now its time to face the music.
I'v had abit of a wakeup call lately and im ready to quit, I tried doing a cold turkey and almost lost my mind, now I'm tapering while researching my options, a few things came up that apparently have helped some people take away 80-100% of the WD's, not just for people with small habits or short lengths of abuse either, I'v seen people with 7 year + straight habits say one or the other method worked for them and gave them their life back. Both methods I'll mention do have the odd person saying it didn't work for them, so there does appear to be a variable of personal body chemistry, but the majority of people said it worked for them for both methods.
The first method I'm sure alot of you have heard about if you've spent any meaningful time researching opiate withdrawal, especially on this forum or others, which is taking high doses of loperamide, also known as immodium, I didn't make this thread about that as there is already a large amount of threads on the topic, but I'll touch briefly on it because of the potential it has same as the next method... normally people take 1-2 pills just for the shits during WD and it works well for that, its not suppose to cross the blood-brain barrier so you can't get high off it(although some people have gotten high on, but I believe it has to with what I said earlier about personal body chemistry)...
But what some people do is take like 10-20 pills, twice a day, and report that it removes 80-100% of the WD's, this works better if your drug of choice's dosage isn't extremely high, everything from low to moderately high seems to work quite well, there is plenty of threads out there if this is new to anyone and wants to research it. The problem is I'v already read abunch of people who used it for this reason(to get off opiates), but they somewhat foolishly took them to long, and soon found that when they tried to get off the loperamide, they had bad WD's from it, as they waited to long and just switched one opiate for another, I still think it works well for 90% of people, but honestly the WD's these people described scared me alot.. So I kept looking for other options, honestly not expecting to find anything.
Then I came across some people talking about taking high doses of vitamin C, it didn't really make sense that that could do anything, I have a pretty good idea of how addiction works, with opiate receptors and tolerance, and natural things like dopamine and endorphine production being shut down, not only are they shut down and have to get started back up after a long time being shut down, but your receptors have become desensitized(ie the opiate tolerance you experience) which causes your dopamine and endorphins to not work very well even when production starts back up... so the idea the vitamin C could somehow block WD's didnt make any sense, but I researched it and found quite a few threads and posts of people saying they tried it and it was basically a miracle for them, taking away 80-100% of WD symptoms, and again it wasn't just with people who had small habits or had only been using a couple months, one person said they quit a 7 year long methadone habit, jumping from 80mg a day cold turkey, taking high doses of vitamin C, and experienced almost no WD's at all, I believe they took the vitamin C for 3 weeks and tapered near the end.
There is more then just the anectdotal evidence of people posting their success with this on forums, there is atleast half a dozen scientific studies about this that have been done, on mice/rats and guniea pigs, aswell as heroin addicts, and all of them have found it to be effective to lower WD symptoms significantly, I won't post the links here as I said there is anothe thread, actually a number, on this forum aswell as some others, if you do a search for them, that have the links, aswell you can find the links independently on google.
By the way, recommended daily intake of vitamin c, for just nutritional reasons(or as i understand it, the minimum you need to prevent acute scurvy) is something like 45-60mg a day, the dosages we are talking about to prevent WD's are between 20-100 GRAMS a day, if you were to take this much of just plain old ascorbic acid you would have incredible bad cramps/diarrea, which is why people doing this take another form, either sodium or calcium ascorbate, which is more or less the same thing but not as acid for the body and you can tolerate much higher dosages. Another thing, which I believe is the reason that the few people who have tried it and it not work, is that vitamin C gets metabolized and flushed out of the body very quickly, you can't just take a dosage a couple times a day, or even 4 times a day... the protocals for this say to take a dosage every 1-2 hours, adding up to roughly around 40-60 grams over the course of 24 hours.
Anyways I didn't mean for this thread to be about me educating people about how all this works, I wanted to ask anybody reading this if they have tried this method and if it worked for them, if it did or didnt please tell me the method you used, how much you used and how often you used, saying that you took one dosage of 10grams and it didnt cure you doesn't help me really as thats not what is called for.
Also please refrain from calling this bullshit and saying it wouldn't/couldn't work if you havn't atleast tried it and know that for a fact it didn't work for you, if you have tried then by all means go ahead.
Its worth mentioning that even though the doses are so high, that buying sodium ascorbate in bulk isn't that expensive, i bought 750grams for about 70$ plus shipping only the other day, it will be here in a couple days and I am going to be trying this to see if it works, but I'm trying to get the most information possible in the meantime, alot of the threads I'v read are atleast 1-2 years old and I didnt want to necro them, so this is a more recent thread on the topic if anyone wants to discuss it.
