thanks to DedbeetaPVP (alpha-PVP) vs. MDPV comparison:
**These are two very similar chemicals in structure, based on pyrovalerone and resembling non-identical twins in their nature, or a "female" vs. "male" mallard duck... however, they both walk, look and quack like a duck, not a duck/crow (as an example) **.
Also, my qualifications: Regular and in-depth experience with MDPV practically since the day it came out in the early-mid 2000's, and a recent introduction to aPVP via a well-trusted and reliable source.
MDPV (appearance): Powdery white-to-tan.
A-PVP: Clumpy tan to dark tan.
MDPV (odor): Mild "pyrrolidine" type odor (like smelly sweat-socks).
A-PVP: Heavier (moderate) "pyrrolidine" type odor.
MDPV (solubility): Dissolves in H2O with difficulty, mild "pyrrolidine" type odor in solution.
A-PVP: Dissolves readily, heavier (moderate) "pyrrolidine" type odor in solution.
MDPV (smokeability): Vapes somewhat uncleanly, mild to moderate harshness/odor.
A-PVP: Vapes very easily/cleanly, moderate to heavy harshness/odor.
MDPV (onset and duration): Slow to medium onset of effects, lesser dosage needed, greater duration.
A-PVP: Rapid onset of effects (all tested ROA's), 1/4 to 1/3 greater dosage needed, lesser duration.
Summary (useful info): a-PVP vapes better than MDPV, but is harder on the lungs and harsher. Effects come on faster, but last a shorter period of time and more is needed than with MDPV. A "rush" is possible/likely with a-PVP (particularly if smoked or injected), and unlikely with MDPV.
The "highs" are otherwise quite similar -- plain old NDRI (norepinephrine/dopamine) reuptake inhibition and stimulation with varying/unpredictable euphoria, an increase in sexual tendencies and unpleasant tweaking at higher dosages.
APVP "feels like" a cruder, harsher and less sophisticated (but faster-acting and smoother burning) version of MDPV. MDPV is like "high end/fancy/fussy" and aPVP is "low end, poor man, easy-going" version of the same thing.
Given the faster onset and shorter duration of effects, it is possible that a-PVP will be more compulsive than MDPV via rapid onset ROA's (smoking, slamming), but it may take longer to take hold and have an easier/shorter comedown when the user regains willpower. Vapers may experience lung damage/pain with a-PVP (temporary, most likely, but who knows). It is likely (from my research, including contact with a professional source that suggests it) that a-PVP degrades/loses potency substantially faster than MDPV, whether in solution or not, and so care in storage is more of a factor.
Mate you are in for a shock if you think its just going to give you a tingle, these compounds are active at 10mgs. I hope you read this before you ingest.Haven't tried a-PVP yet but I ordered a little so I'll report shortly. I noticed that the chemical structure is the same as a compound called Prolintane except for the ketone group. It's the same as the difference between cathinone and amphetamine. a-PVP is a ketone and Prolintane is a pure hydrocarbon like amphetamine.
Prolintane is considered very safe medically, and was often prescribed to the elderly. I guess it's a pretty mild stimulant. It was even sold over the counter as a vitamin/tonic drink in Spain. Students used it for long studying sessions. So a-PVP should be a mild stimulant with few bad effects. It still can have side effects though and does have a withdrawal syndrome so I wouldn't go nuts with it or anything. At least it's unlikely to be neurotoxic like MDMA and meth. I'm sure they would have noticed that before selling it publicly. Doubt you would get particularly high off it though, if they were giving it to old folk. My guess, it's probably about like ephedrine. You'll probably get a little tingle off it but nothing major. I just bought some because they had a half price sale on it. They were practically giving it away. The shipping cost was almost as much as the product cost.
You get way more of a rush when you vape your prostate. Makes it much easier to pee on cathinones too...
Hit the nail on the head, D_M.it seemed to me that more than a few hits was too much and caused anxiety combined with a strong body load, still felt compelled to redose as the shit starts to wear off a bit and feel less intense though which is fucking stupid.
You know, despite what I've written earlier in this thread about them being horrible drugs, I have changed my mind (or have had my mind changed by the devil's drug) a bit.APVP "feels like" a cruder, harsher and less sophisticated (but faster-acting and smoother burning) version of MDPV. MDPV is like "high end/fancy/fussy" and aPVP is "low end, poor man, easy-going" version of the same thing.
Ravetothegrave: please tell us you're still alive and sane. That sounds like the worst fucking combination of things to have at hand all at the same time. Did you read up well on phenazepam? I can't think of a more dangerous benzo to handle. Just as MDPV is one of the worst stims to manage. Also, 4mg is a hefty dose which will linger in your system for a long time and likely cover up some of the signs that your body is telling you to stop taking all those stims!! That benzo in combination with those stims sounds like a recipe for blackout and rampage.I got a whole bunch of sample grams from a vendor and a-PVP, MOPPP, MDPPP, as well as Pentadrone were included, a long with phenazepam which has been a great thing to have around
Phenzepam is a benzodiazepine (ie. same family as Xanax, Valium, Temazepam, etc), but it is NOTHING like any benzo that most people come into contact with. Lovepsychedelics comments above are virtually the rule rather than the exception, regarding memory loss.Phenazepam is crazy, crazy stuff lost almost 3 days from dosing just over 2 mg. Real blur of almost zombie like stupor. May have been inclined to eat someone's face if i'd had some stims and pcp in my system!