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may go back on antidepressants, saying goodbye to mdma and shrooms will be hard :(

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so I may go back on antidepressants for my anxiety. the hardest thing about this is that mdma and shrooms and lsd will no longer work and it will probably be something like an snri that I go on. I'm really upset by the fact that a lot of these party drugs don't work on medication. raving won't be the same for me.

I was also thinking about maybe microdosing psychedelics as an alternative. can anyone report this being as effective as antidepressants?

I realize I need to get my priorities in order. did anyone else have to deal with this pain of saying goodbye to substances while going back on meds? I'm 28 years old right now and a big reason why I don't wanna be on meds my whole life is because I want to occasionally be able to use mdma and experience a psychedelic trip. I also realize that now may not be the best time to trip due to my high anxiety but I question if microdosing can actually change my life for the better. I just figure that medication will be cheaper and easier. I've only ever done a gram of shrooms and I feel like I am missing out on something by not being able to trip. I know not everyone has a great experience but I always read about it being a life changing experience and it breaks me that I won't be able to experience that.
thoughts?
 

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I'm on antidepressants and pissed off I can't get high if I wanted too, but then I think my sleeps more important right now, and my antidepressants helps my sleep, and considering we don't know when we're allowed to go raving again due to the Coronavirus then what's the point in not being on antidepressants so we can take drugs at raves, as we can't even go to a rave anytime soon

So just sort your anxiety out and try medication and when you know we can go raving maybe see where you're at at that time as thats what I'm doing
 

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Also, I want to experience a psychedelic trip too but not while I'm in an anxious state of mind

There's plenty of time to experience this when you are better and not suffering from anxiety, meds don't need to be forever you know, maybe you need them for a while, and then you can taper off and be in a better frame of mind to trip
 

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Also, I want to experience a psychedelic trip too but not while I'm in an anxious state of mind

There's plenty of time to experience this when you are better and not suffering from anxiety, meds don't need to be forever you know, maybe you need them for a while, and then you can taper off and be in a better frame of mind to trip
I hope so. I tapered off of celexa and would use mdma a bit more often than suggested. this was since september and its been miserable. not sure if it's cuz of going off of an ssri medication, rocking my serotonin with more drugs or both....
 

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If you truly microdose you won't be experiencing a trip at all as the doses are sub-perceptual - I'm thinking doses around 10ug lsd

There's a ton of evidence that microdosing psychs can be extremely helpful in treating depression for some people.

Given that most psychs are as harmless-as-it-gets physically when talking about drugs, trying a psychedelic microdose routine before diving into antidepressants seems like a no-brainer to me
 

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Given that most psychs are as harmless-as-it-gets physically when talking about drugs, trying a psychedelic microdose routine before diving into antidepressants seems like a no-brainer to me
Then she wastes the mushrooms she has that she could save to trip on when she's more up for it, I think she's more after feeling stuff from the shrooms instead of a true micro dose where she shouldn't feel anything off it

I could be wrong though, but I'd save them to trip properly, hence why I'm saving an acid tab I have saved for when I'm off antidepressants rather than microdose it

How often do people need to microdose for? It's took every few days isn't it, does the antidepressant effect stop when you stop taking it or run out of stuff to microdose with?
 

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Then she wastes the mushrooms she has that she could save to trip on when she's more up for it, I think she's more after feeling stuff from the shrooms instead of a true micro dose where she shouldn't feel anything off it

I could be wrong though, but I'd save them to trip properly, hence why I'm saving an acid tab I have saved for when I'm off antidepressants rather than microdose it

How often do people need to microdose for? It's took every few days isn't it, does the antidepressant effect stop when you stop taking it or run out of stuff to microdose with?
The op said they were thinking about microdosing as an alternative to antidepressants, so I dunno what you mean.

It's not a 'waste' - you are not supposed to trip off a microdose.

There are different potential dosing regimes for microdosing, depending on what you want to achieve. Everyone is different however so trial and error is the way forward

I also notice OP saying that price is a factor. An lsd microdose of 10ug would probably cost around 50p in uk money, so not too expensive
 

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The op said they were thinking about microdosing as an alternative to antidepressants, so I dunno what you mean
I remember her other post, she has a certain amount of shrooms and wants to save them for a trip, she has enough for like 15 micro doses or 10 very small doses that's not quite a microdose, or 2 decent trips or one big fat fuck off trip lol
unless I'm thinking of someone else as I was agreeing that it's shit we can't trip or get high on mdma etc on antidepressants
 

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If you truly microdose you won't be experiencing a trip at all as the doses are sub-perceptual - I'm thinking doses around 10ug lsd

There's a ton of evidence that microdosing psychs can be extremely helpful in treating depression for some people.

Given that most psychs are as harmless-as-it-gets physically when talking about drugs, trying a psychedelic microdose routine before diving into antidepressants seems like a no-brainer to me
what about anxiety? thats the big one for me. but yea I understand I wouldnt be tripping. idk if I'm clinically depressed. anxiety was always the big factor for me but I definitely feel depressed off of the meds. I'd imagine mdma might have added to that
 
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saying goodbye to mdma is a big one but I realize that I probably messed myself up a bit by doing it almost once a month. it's like once I experienced that high it's been the ultimate party experience that alchohol can't live up to..... being off meds and being sober has been miserable tbh
 

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not sure if I should try microdosing lsd or shrooms I feel like my priorities are a bit out of wack. I will say that one reason I went off meds is because my sex drive was totally gone on antidepressants. unless I looked at porn. also went off to try drugs but realize 4+ hours to feel content isnt worth my overall mental health :(
 
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not sure if I should try microdosing lsd or shrooms I feel like my priorities are a bit out of wack
Exactly, just sort your mental health out as if you're anything like me, starting to microdose is all a well and good till you think ah fuck it I'll take some more, then ohh I feel a little something I'll take a bigger dose, then fuck it I'll take it all

Then your back to where you started, maybe you've had fun on the shrooms, but maybe the anxiety and depression made it a bad trip, it's not worth it

I'm sorting my anxiety and my head out, letting thus coronavirus shit blow over and fuck off, then when I'm stable I'll come off my antidepressants and try my trip, and get back to raving with raving drugs soon as we're allowed lol
 

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Just gonna blurt out some shit -

Anti-depressants are not the answer for anxiety.

Anxiety is going to be with you for LIFE. There is no magic drug fix for it. Anxiety is primal.

Sure you can take xanax, but it's just a band-aid on your wound and your wound will fester and get worse.

Anxiety can be a terrible evil force of destruction in your life.... or it can be a very valuable tool.

There is no life without fear. It's basic instinct.

Knowing how to utilize anxiety and turn it towards your advantage is one of the best tools you will ever wield.

Anxiety is only horrible if you let it be... it can also be the biggest building block of your life.

Face the fear. Buy the ticket, take the ride.

(speaking as someone who has been on numerous medications for anxiety from anti-depressants to xanax... anxiety never goes away, you just learn to conquer it!)
 

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Valid points but when anxiety keeps you awake I'm done with it, and laying in bed for like 4 hours worrying about stuff that makes you want to start up a heroin addiction again to shut your head up and take the edge off is shit

How long have you gone taking no drugs? I mean clean and sober, nothing to take the edge off? Having anxiety with nothing to help it us just horrible
 

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Valid points but when anxiety keeps you awake I'm done with it, and laying in bed for like 4 hours worrying about stuff that makes you want to start up a heroin addiction again to shut your head up and take the edge off is shit

How long have you gone taking no drugs? I mean clean and sober, nothing to take the edge off? Having anxiety with nothing to help it us just horrible
are you talking to me or the OP?
 

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are you talking to me or the OP?
No sorry, you? As I've tried not taking any antidepressants or drugs to see if I can sort my head and anxiety and normalise my brain without drugs of any kind and its to hard

So was just asking if you've tried being drug free for very long and for how long
 

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I've spent a few months here and there sober. Rehab and jail.....

I have a good idea of what anxiety is, I've suffered from it since a young age.

I've let it ruin my life. I've let it torture me. I've let it ruin relationships and let it drive me to OD.

It's a monkey on my back I will never get rid of.

I do know for a fact, though, that drugs are not the answer to anxiety.

Some help but are ultimately either addictive or stop working.

Trying to get rid of anxiety is like trying to ask a large part of your brain to stop working. AKA you're asking to be brain dead.

Anxiety is a primal force for survival and will never go away. Some have it worse than others unfortunately.

Drugs will never fix your anxiety... and ultimately make it worse.

Anxiety is something everyone needs to deal with and conquer in their life... and once you do you are 100x stronger than you were before. Period.

(coming form a guy who has had 5x xanax scripts over the years for anxiety!!! drugs are not the answer)
 

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Yeah I been addicted to benzos and they made me worse, I was addicted to tramadol as was taking that for anxiety too and that made me worse when I came off it once 6 x 50mg a day didn't help so I know you have a point but I'm to weak to cope without drugs

I'm only on mirtazapine now though
 

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Yeah I been addicted to benzos and they made me worse, I was addicted to tramadol as was taking that for anxiety too and that made me worse when I came off it once 6 x 50mg a day didn't help so I know you have a point but I'm to weak to cope without drugs

I'm only on mirtazapine now though
Yeah man, benzos are just a classic drug dependence/drug addiction. They're a fucking godsend for a month or two.... then suddenly you're a pill junkie and it hits you like a brick wall. Then you stop and your anxiety is infinitely worse than what it was.... I fucking hate the pharma industry!

I don't mess with anti-depressants now for a few reasons, mainly I just don't trust their efficacy and their pharmacology is still questionable. I get way more anti-depressant effect from taking a 30 min jog than a pill could ever do.

But I guess my point is anxiety is most effectively treated by RUNNING TOWARDS THE FEAR and not hiding from it. Drugs won't help you with that. It's part of life, sadly.

I wasted 10+ years of my life learning that lesson.
 

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Everyone is so unique that one person may have a horrible experience, and someone else may save their life.

I met a schizophrenic friend when i was homeless who was treatment resistant. All meds would trigger him even worse.

Then there's me, who when i go off my lamictal, i get suicidal in two days. Before the drug, i was manic/suicidal all the time.

Haven't had an episode in three years.

MDMA is a quick fix and feels great. Meds are a long haul and may not even work.

Do whatever you think is right. Find a good therapist first, i'd say, to decide if psychiatry is even necessarily.
 
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