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Opioids Loperamide and withdrawals ..............

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Thanks for the warning CrazyFrog! I am pretty easy with the kratom and cannabis lately, but I do plan to wean down to a small amount of kratom. The thing with me is I am a patient at a pain clinic due to severe neck arthritis/degenerative disc disease. So I am unable to handle the pain sensations in my body and without some kind of medical intervention like pain meds I am suicidal. That is why I stay medicated, but small amounts of kratom weed and morphine plus exercise and stretching is the way to the lowest pain levels I think. If it becomes illegal I will have to quit I suppose, and then will know the agony you speak of :? ~CfZ

in your case , you need this. If it's working for you, lucky you. I can't stand the thought of the smell or taste. Lol... just gagged typing that.
 
just gagged typing that.
lol ;) Thanks man. My doc is trying to get my government insurance to pay for nerve blocks in my neck. I know that my primarycare phys wants to see me taper off the morph, but I don't want to unless the shots really work. Kratom is much stronger than a couple vicodins for me, but I can see how it leads to your intestines getting blocked due to constipation and very high fiber pain med diet,lol.
 
lol ;) Thanks man. My doc is trying to get my government insurance to pay for nerve blocks in my neck. I know that my primarycare phys wants to see me taper off the morph, but I don't want to unless the shots really work. Kratom is much stronger than a couple vicodins for me, but I can see how it leads to your intestines getting blocked due to constipation and very high fiber pain med diet,lol.
lol. Yeah... it sucks bad for me. I was excited at first. But now i can't even think of the plant. Im left with no choice but to go clean. I can't wait for my brain to start producing endorphins. Its depressing dieing the day. Only relief if when i wake up, no depression. Anyways. .. good luck to you.
 
Small update. I'm taking anti histamine. The whole body itch it still here. I'm not as depressed as yesterday but I have no energy and just lathargic.
 
Jjones... i was also wondering about that exact same thing. Through my experience, it takes the full brunt of wd from the first week.I tapered after 7 days and stopped on day 10. On day 12 or so , akl i got was a slight night sweat. That's it. Cravings will always be therein paws. you can do nothing really but ignore them. I have almost no cravings. Its been 31 days.
 
Ok.. on a different note. I think the wd im feeling are not wd from kratom. I thing I'm over them. What I'm feeling now might be more serious unfortunately. I might go see my doctor if i don't improve by the end of the week. But im still fatigued and itchy all over. Anti histamine does nothing. Doing research i came across a few people who had these exact symptons right after using kratom. They had a serious kidney infection or liver issues. Well... my 3 symptoms that are persistent are itching, fatigue and dark urine. So. .. ill stop with the updates unless something big happens.
 
Drink a lot of water if your piss is still brown, seek medical attention
 
Piss being brown is something wrong with the kidney. I hope its not from the 96 pills in one day!? I would seek medical attention after drinking water like he said.
It could be very serious, but you haven't experienced anything serious because waste hasnt built up in the body. But if your kidneys or liver are out in a couple hours they might not be able to save the organ. So if somethings off, check it out man I know its a hassle but youll take yourself later if you save yourself an organ.
 
Take loperamide as recommended on the box. It's efficacy as a withdrawal reliever is exaggerated, and a placebo. I speak from anecdotal experience.

Dont prolong the detox process and/or become dependant on loperamide.

Take it as needed for loose stools, and just get the four/five days of discomfort over and done with.

My 2c.
 
Ok guys, heres a update . I might be improving. Urine is medium yellow now. Nothing hurts, no abdominal pain. I'm passing stool every 2 days if not one a day since i do have a appetite. I just can't seem to shake the night sweats and fatigue. Yesterday morning my energy levels were some what ok,just felt slightly tired, i had a giant delicious burger around 10am because i was craving protein. After the burger, i just got tired! I figured it's just tiredness from getting full. I never recovered and was just lathargic all day. Tried to sleep early but couldn't, just laid in bed. Around 10:30pm i dozed.its almost 4am, fully awake. And honestly, i not pointing at the lope.im pointing at kratom. When i got off about 36 to 60mg of doses for a week, i had no ill effects. Felt normal. No wdat all. This started right after the first week of kratom.about the 6th or 7th day.i just didn't feel good and started gagging in every kratom dose. So, doing research i came across several people that had these exact symptons but a little more severe. They had abdominal pain in which i don't. But they had the amber dark urine with fatigue and chills.and they all could not really point at anything else but kratom. So i might be one of those who just can't process kratom. Well anyways, i might have caught some seriously nasty bug with the batch of kratom.i bought it off a herbal store. I'll hold off from going to the doctor done i have absolutely no pain and urinating and passing stool consistently. Now, if i hey any signs of aches and the urine goes dark again... then I'll head over. Wish me luck.
 
Update since it's rather good. I booked a appt this morning and for doctor visit. Gave him my symptoms. He ordered blood work and urine sample. And prescribed nothing and said he will review the data 2 days. So now i wait. But. .on the drive back home, incredibly i had small rushes of natural endorphins. Man! It felt good! I think I am actually recovering. I woke up sweaty again but with more energy. Urine still medium dark yellow. Itch is 1 notch down . Now i cant wait to see what the bloodwork and urine shows. Btw...never had any health problems. I'll update when the data is in.
 
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^This is gr8 to here as i REMEMBER it worked for me too. but havent hd cause to resort to it again(yet). Id take OC 80s or 40s whole (the old formula ones) and try taper those, b4 I resort to lope. I keep about 60 pills here tho jus incase, So is good to see some of u hsve fiund it effective. Damn I'm noddin hard.
 
The fact you found similar reports, I would agree that it probably is the kratom then. Good to hear its improving, I would keep pushing fluids. I would find it hard to believe it can keep its color if your drinking enough water. Unless of course, what ever is wrong is still wrong or possibly improving. Hey I'm not a doctor, but I am an engineer so I can't be a complete dumbass either :\
 
The fact you found similar reports, I would agree that it probably is the kratom then. Good to hear its improving, I would keep pushing fluids. I would find it hard to believe it can keep its color if your drinking enough water. Unless of course, what ever is wrong is still wrong or possibly improving. Hey I'm not a doctor, but I am an engineer so I can't be a complete dumbass either :\
lol. I'm a IT specialist, you don't sound dumb to me. So... i got the lab report. Urine cleared. Bloodwork almost cleared but one that i suspected. Liver ALT levels. They shot up from 20 to 76. 76 is considered above normal and high. That's may from me reading the data. Dr will call me tomorrow. But it looks like it hurt my liver. I'm definitely sure it was the kratom. I'm search the posts that i found that show this exact same thing happened to them after talking kratom for the forest time.
 
I'll update tomorrow. But this explains my sumptoms. High alt levels cause according to med sites

itchy skin
nausea
headache
vomit
fatigue
Night sweats

i had all.
 
Is your goal eventually to quit opiates completely Crazyfrog?

Hey jjones, whats up buddy! Yeah... ideally i want to. No connection and no real physical problems to grant me more. So its time. If someone gives me a 10000 count bottle. Its mine.lol. but that's not going to happen. Everyone around me is pretty clean. I'm the user really. And may exhausted of running or early every month. So yes... im quiting. I do feel slightly better today. It looks like I'm recovering but really slow. Woke up all sweaty again. But look what i found. A thread on this site with someone with the exact same scenario.and almost to the dosages and time taken. His ordeal is about 95% to mines. I haven't heard from the doctor yet. Hopefully by the end of the day. Here's the link.

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/676622-A-warning-to-new-Kratom-users
 
Well glad to hear your looking at it positively. Its an exhausting lifestyle, but if you have a significant other or people who care about you that should be enough to make you want to live without slavery to a substance. I love my gf very much and if it wasnt for her I could see myself slumping into going to work, getting high, sleep, repeat. Ill tell you one thing, I have a steady connection and I'm pretty reliable with money & a hard worker. so theoretically I really could stay out of sickness. BUT tolerance is a bitch and even in perfect circumstances you have to be rich and even then you will fail psychologically lol.

So getting off (I cant say dope train but its legal dope soo...) the dope train is best, better to do it now than later. Your at the turning dose were people get off or switch to stronger more available opiate. Its levels to this shit bruh, and I know your w/d's sucked but it gets a whole lot worse....a whole lot.

yup. Its time.party is over. Yup... when you have loved ones that depend on you, it keeps you from falling off the wagon sorta say. Lol. Almost like acheck valve. It works on some and does not on others though. Any who. .. update when i get the doc involved.
 
Hey guys... little update. I did a number on my liver worth kratom. Read on any google results on kratom and juondice . I'm one of the small percentage that cannot digest kratom. That explains why ihad severe wd after only 3 days use. There was no wd, it was my liver rejecting it. But i masked it with more kratom. So i was literally poisoning myself. I'm still fighting the after effects. Still have night sweats, slight nausea , bad itching ,pale stool and juondice. Doctor is having me do bloods work for the liver every week to see which way is going. Today was the 3rd blood work and waiting on results. Granted, i feel way better than a week ago, but my eyes are yellow.lol.taking some may powder to obsorb the bile and also pills to bind to the biles to stop the severe itching in which is not stoppable. Its been a hell of 2 weeks. I asked the doctor for any medicine to knock me out for the night since I'm getting 2 hours of sleep due to the itching, he said no medicine due to him not knowing which way the liver is going. So its better to eat healthy he said. Lololololol the misery.anyways. .. let this be a lesson for others. I'll update some other time.
 
Update. Bilirubin at 8.4. All other liver enzymes at almost normal level. Eyes are effected. Given some meds for the bile. Beginning to feel slightly better.
 
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