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'Kratom': Natural substance becoming a growing problem?

ControlDenied said:
when will higher ups in society learn that prohibition does nothing, and can even increase use of the drug that is banned, and creates new markets for violent and/or unscrupulous criminal businessmen and thugs? Fools.

Well WE know bettter. to the land of LSD and Heroin my brothors!!!
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I live in a small town (~10,000 people) and I was shocked to learn of how many people in this town was addicted to pharms such as hydromorphone, oxycodone, and others. I asked my friend how many people that he knew did heroin. He replied "none, none that he knew of."

I'm wondering how many people would switch to drugs like oxycodone, hydromorphone, Buprenorphine, and other addictive opiate/opioids in the event of kratom being banned?
 
I remember reading about Kratom when I was a little younger and wanting to buy some. I always thought it would be something bunk but I guess apparently not.
 
God that news report was almost as bad as that idoser one.

Dr. Raul Rodriguez has seen more than 100 patients over the past year due to problems associated with Kratom use.
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I wonder if all those 100 patients problems were actuualy related to kratom or their problems were from other drugs and kratom just happend to be one of the drugs the patient told the doctor he/she tried when the doctor asked them what drugs they have tried.
 
<<ellisd>> said:
I live in a small town (~10,000 people) and I was shocked to learn of how many people in this town was addicted to pharms such as hydromorphone, oxycodone, and others. I asked my friend how many people that he knew did heroin. He replied "none, none that he knew of."

I'm wondering how many people would switch to drugs like oxycodone, hydromorphone, Buprenorphine, and other addictive opiate/opioids in the event of kratom being banned?
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if you live in canada, it must be ontario. on the east coast, sure there are some pain junkies, but VERY VERY few. there's no heroin, even though gangs could easily import it and spread it [maybe they're afraid of a cop crackdown; gangs here arent as money hungry as in most of n. america], and there's not a shitload of pills. in my town of ~6,000, there's about at most 50 junkies, id estimate, at most probably. and of those, probably only 24 or so have connections to get dilaudid or w/e whenever they want and they have to get t1s at pharmacies all the time when there's droughts. even in big cities there'll be times where theres no dilaudid around. and like i said no heroin.

it sounds sad but i wish there WERE a big problem with it here, so i could fucking get it when i want. the best way to get it around here is to get in a terrible accident then get it prescribed. no joke. or rob a pharmacy.
 
I live on the east coast as well; there is no doubt there is dilaudid around but you must know the right people I guess. Even friends with tons of psychedelics have no idea how or where to get them. In any case, Kratom cannot be compared. I've used it for several months along with codeine and other than getting the shits for a day or two I went from a daily habit of 20g of kratom and a few hundred mg of codeine per day without any noticeable withdrawal effect. I don't see how people find it habit forming unless they have not tried other opiates/addictive drugs. When I lived in Cape Breton oxycodone was everywhere and becoming a huge problem (teen overdoses and such); so it is around for those who look hard enough and have enough money. As stated above there is no heroin around, I have never even heard of anyone getting any.

There's also a big difference between kratom and your traditional opioid/opiates and that is the price. No one is stealing shit or robbing pharmacies for kratom and they never will. The worst thing to happen if kratom is banned is that legit users get fucked out of something to relieve pain and supplement their meds with while recreational users will just turn to something else (pods, other opioids). It's not that enjoyable anyway. I gave up kratom pretty easily considering CWE codeine tastes about 100x better.

I find it funny that the reporter finds Kratom to be a growing problem; you know, considering how it grows like any other plant. It's all bullshit, why not pick on some other plant?
 
a lot oxy in cape breton? how do so many pills find their way to such a remote unpopulated area i wonder. these things keep me up at night. how do so many specific brands of pills flood a tiny market? is one doctor prescribing a dealer covertly? methinks possibleye so :D
 
A theory of mine is that oxy's were being prescribed very leniently a few years ago and pain patients were diverting their meds (the place is a shit hole and the majority of people there have no money). I think things are different now yet if you go around some places you'll find needles everywhere; boggles my mind too. My guess is that since there are so many older people in cb that they get pain meds easier and also need the money. Another puzzling problem: How does a small island have so much coke around yet no heroin?

to stay on topic; kratom is so off the radar around here that even our shitty headshops don't even know about it.
 
^Yeah I live in NS as well and NO ONE here has ever heard of Kratom and my friends don't seem to enjoy the taste of the tea and forget about Toss n' Wash so it's not something that will catch on like other drugs might when discovered.
 
voxmystic said:
QFT -- Should have its own thread.
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i was just thinking/talking about that a lot lately. racism or homophobia. haha oh well...jeesh...

i dont see how kratom would catch on since its mostly ordered online, is not native to the western hemisphere, its more a legal homebrew type thing like kava kava or poppy pod tea. in this day and age of pharms and pills and powders i dont see it catching on. id def. try it if i wasnt broke though :)
 
It's odd: I read those words and while some of them had a ring of truth to to them, they all seemed so negative.
Could it be my outlook? It's as if the news regarding so many things is designed to sound incredibly twisted.
I wonder if we'll here about these secret 'Kratom Dens' where you can't see other people for smoke and have to communicate using a complicated series of grunts, clicks of the tongue, whistles and beeps... like R2D2.

"These Kratom Heads then head out to nightclubs to attack our women! To bars to drink our beer! To supermarkets to buy and consume our food -- and when using ticket machines for trains they RARELY HAVE CORRECT CHANGE!"

Communism was the big thing for Americans to get incredibly angry about and start shooting people over.
Socialism may not get the same rap, but it appears that people need an outlet because, otherwise, their lives are just too dull: I blame the influences of Christianity.
No, all religion; it's far too violent and the literature contradicts itself.
Seems everybody in perhaps the entire world, on second-thought, loves a good old-fashioned witch hunt.
Plus, since racism is over (you guys have that li'l gollywog as a president) it must be so hard to just live without blind, vaguely informed burning hatred for anyone doing anything even slightly different to getting drunk and beating one another's heads together...

At most, Kratom is a weak plant extract that mimics the effects of opiates in certain people.
Why fear it? It might deter a few people from actually shooting others for the sake of feeding their habit; having a big vat of kratom tea at home might help ease withdrawals!
 
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