@dixiechik. Check out the brand Kratom Therapy. They sell 25xcapsules 3 for 25 bucks. I take oxycodone and norco every month for chronic pain, and it aint a low dose either. 30mg Oxys 4 aday with 6 norcos a day. But to be honest, if I wanted to I could take double that eaisly. The kratom pills work for me.......however I relate kratom to suboxone in the sense that because your not sick, therefore your mood is elevated. But in reality if you truely had severe chronic pain, youd be at your doctor in agony telling them you cant take it anymore. With that being said, there are exceptions to the rule. My dad has all the same problems I do, I wont bore you with that. Basically I have a spinal tumor and he dosent...but his back is straight fucked up........he only takes two norcos a day....and thats only been going on for a couple years. He has a rediculous threshold for pain.....barely even needs a 2mg dilaudid at night after double knee surgery, extremly bad btw.......and complains about taking it at that. Constipation, itching etc. So if your one of those rare folks that really does have CP, but can manage it with something as low grade as kratom do it. But its also well known that chronic pain leads to depression, suicidal tendencies and low self esteem. It is mentioned in many scientific journals that even in former herion addicts, if they truely have chronic pain the risk for addiction is outweighted by the negative side effects of chronic pain. You can treat an addict, you cant help someone that commmited suicide......just saying. Really do some soul searching and if you need help get it, if not keep it up if you can. Dont think your above suicide or low self esteem...I am pretty much a old school stoner that loves life and everything in it.........I thought it wouldnt happen to me it did, and I ended up hospitalized in the psych ward for 2 weeks