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Indonesia wants to ban kratom in 2022

Skorpio

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Medicin ok I get that. But what is wrong with toiletpaper made of hemp and plastic. Which btw is biodegradable. Contrary to petrochemical plastic which imo shoud be forbidden for large scale usage. There are safer more enviromental friendly option's that are equal.
Nothing is wrong with that. In fact you could probably find something similar at a whole foods type place. The only conspiracy is that of economics, that trees are a better feedstock for paper than hemp. Otherwise laws would get changed because our only morality is profit.
 

Drag2019

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Where should I post to ask about storage for a large amount for years without losing potency or at least only losing very little potency after years of it being in storage?
 

HeadphonesandLSD

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By the way things are going, if i'm not off of kratom by the time this ban is implemented I will surely OD off of whatever RC is used in new kratom products.
Same. I've been planning on planting Kratom trees and poppies. I'm at the point with opioids that I don't see myself ever being able to stop. Kratom has side effects but compared to everything else I've done to get away from oxycodone it has had less impact on my life. I don't nod on it, it kills my pain, and there isn't any risk of OD. I'm never going back on methadone or subs because they're so strong.

If they ban this stuff I'll be back to sticking straws in my nose and gambling with whatever cheap opioid I can get my hands on. This is a terrible idea. Kratom has saved the lives of so many in my local area. I've seen a bunch of junkies get on it and go on to lead normal lives again. Being able to pick it up in a local shop instead of using dealers or the clinic has gotten so many people away from the scene. I'm not surprised they started pushing for this ban around the same time "Methadone covered by medicaid and $1 a day" signs popped up everywhere in my area. The Feds want that opioid money.

I was going to put it off another year but I guess I'm planting a field of poppies and kratom trees this fall. I wonder how long I'll get away with that before they burn down my crops and throw me in jail for growing it for personal use like my Great Grandparents. I come from a long line of opioid addicts and the only reason they stopped growing their own in the 20s is because morphine was so cheap.
 

mokele

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This might be a stupid question, but has anyone successfully grown kratom at over 6000ft of elevation? I can get viable seeds, but I'm not sure how well it would tolerate altitude...
Its worth a try! I dont get you kratom heads, but i'd grow it AND stock up, esp on concentrate. I despise the Way amerika is playing World Police again! They got their fucking DEA in EVERY COUNTRY!! Even my little Country, but its on the Balkan Route. Big bust 2 days ago, over 20 kilos of white and brown + a suitcase at Airport said to contain 20 Milllion worth of brown. But you know how they inflate it by looking how much, then quoting the street bubble price 🙄 Grow your own is possible, wont be taken in a search but is last ditch. Like growing poppies! I still have the Izmir Farm seeds. Tazzies, Gigantheum, pod Bush....but with a measly balcony its nearly hopeless. I wish i knew someone in EU with coca seeds! There are 2 vendors online, one is a ripoff and second sends sown in a doll from indonesia. That will never fly with our customs. :-(

A worldwide pandemic, people going broke left and right but money is there for that stupid War!!! Beam me into 1910 please!
NOW!!!!
 

mokele

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Same. I've been planning on planting Kratom trees and poppies. I'm at the point with opioids that I don't see myself ever being able to stop. Kratom has side effects but compared to everything else I've done to get away from oxycodone it has had less impact on my life. I don't nod on it, it kills my pain, and there isn't any risk of OD. I'm never going back on methadone or subs because they're so strong.

If they ban this stuff I'll be back to sticking straws in my nose and gambling with whatever cheap opioid I can get my hands on. This is a terrible idea. Kratom has saved the lives of so many in my local area. I've seen a bunch of junkies get on it and go on to lead normal lives again. Being able to pick it up in a local shop instead of using dealers or the clinic has gotten so many people away from the scene. I'm not surprised they started pushing for this ban around the same time "Methadone covered by medicaid and $1 a day" signs popped up everywhere in my area. The Feds want that opioid money.

I was going to put it off another year but I guess I'm planting a field of poppies and kratom trees this fall. I wonder how long I'll get away with that before they burn down my crops and throw me in jail for growing it for personal use like my Great Grandparents. I come from a long line of opioid addicts and the only reason they stopped growing their own in the 20s is because morphine was so cheap.
So you have a big garden, hmm?
Why complain? You can grow your poppies outside and the Kratom tree in a big bucket and move it inside when cold.
But if your concern is kratom, chill!!
Its a Million $ buisness and its ample time to stock up. You know how lucky you are to have a garden to grow???? Imagine you had World class poppy seeds but nowhere to grow. That would suck big time eh?!
 
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