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☠ WARNING ☠ [Important NBOMe warning] Taking unknown blotters sold as LSD

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Just one other feature from my suspect 2011/12 blotters- although they tasted and smelled awful, there was no numbing effect at all which I was aware of, and I was taking 3 blotters on the comeups a good number if times- which was way more than really necessary because just one of these blotters was a full trip and a half and a 24-hour experience in terms of the impact and returning to normal.

My trips were very intense in all regards. I took as many as 5 at once on 2 occasions, not on initial comeup no way. 3 was the maximum, one such occasion it hit me like bricks and left me simply wavering on the brink of consciousness for several hours until I "came to" in the trip. Not in a bad way, just so totally whacked that socialising would have been completely impossible at the time and it would have been so incredibly apparent that I was absolutely off my head.

But anyway, my point- even from holding 5 large blotters under my tongue for like an hour almost I still never experienced any mouth numbing.

So, does this rule out the Nbombe compounds completely?? If so then I either did take LSD 25 and the plotters were just needlessly contaminated with an additional chemical or unusually toxic ink, or some OTHER chemical with effects virtually identical to LSD.

I wish we only knew.
 

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Just one other feature from my suspect 2011/12 blotters- although they tasted and smelled awful, there was no numbing effect at all which I was aware of, and I was taking 3 blotters on the comeups a good number if times- which was way more than really necessary because just one of these blotters was a full trip and a half and a 24-hour experience in terms of the impact and returning to normal.

My trips were very intense in all regards. I took as many as 5 at once on 2 occasions, not on initial comeup no way. 3 was the maximum, one such occasion it hit me like bricks and left me simply wavering on the brink of consciousness for several hours until I "came to" in the trip. Not in a bad way, just so totally whacked that socialising would have been completely impossible at the time and it would have been so incredibly apparent that I was absolutely off my head.

But anyway, my point- even from holding 5 large blotters under my tongue for like an hour almost I still never experienced any mouth numbing.

So, does this rule out the Nbombe compounds completely?? If so then I either did take LSD 25 and the plotters were just needlessly contaminated with an additional chemical or unusually toxic ink, or some OTHER chemical with effects virtually identical to LSD.

I wish we only knew.

Sounds like a DOX, such as DOC, DOI, or DOB. NBOMes numb the mouth, and their duration is also only like 6-8 hours at most. However the DOXs used to be on blotters as the most common LSD adulterant, up to and including the years you listed. They taste bitter and nasty, but do not numb the mouth, and the duration is 18-24 hours.
 

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Sounds like a DOX, such as DOC, DOI, or DOB. NBOMes numb the mouth, and their duration is also only like 6-8 hours at most. However the DOXs used to be on blotters as the most common LSD adulterant, up to and including the years you listed. They taste bitter and nasty, but do not numb the mouth, and the duration is 18-24 hours.
Hello and a very big thank you for your reply and thoughts really appreciate it and I have followed you on this forum and are aware of your extensive experience and knowledge so it is a privilege to be able to draw on this and benefit directly.

Yes that sounds more probable. Zero numbing occurred so I think we can rule Nbome's out.

And the duration of these trips was very long, like you quote for the DOX compounds. I suffered in particular severe gastointestinal and respiratory distress.
I aasume these will be commonly noted side effects of these compounds.

I will have to do some reading up and see when they appeared, as this was 2011/12.
Thanks again.
 

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"If it's a bitter, it's a spitter" is not true anymore. There are tasteless RCs in the market today that are still not real LSD-25. This is a dangerous assertion to make. Please always do a reagent test. If it passes the reagent taste AND it has the other properties of LSD (for example, tastelessness, odorlessness, and clear liquid) then the likelihood of you being duped is very low. Positive results from the ehrlich reagent means it is an ergine cousin, meaning ergine powder from hawaiian baby woodrose or morning glory seeds will test positive as well, despite being vastly different substances than real LSD. However, those ergine cousins are not clear liquids, so the reagent test + using your common sense is the best bet.
 
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Good warning. What are the RCs that are tasteless than can be passed off as LSD? I'm only aware of AL-LAD/ALD-52/ETH-LAD/1p-LSD/1b-LSD, all of which are more expensive than LSD, which makes it very unlikely they'd be sold as LSD, and if they are, they are not more dangerous than LSD (although less studied of course but there is no reason to think they're more dangerous). But I would love to know if there are others now and what they are.
 

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You have listed the big ones, AL-LAD, 1P, Z, etc. In some places 1P may be passed as LSD because even though demand is greater for LSD, the market dynamics become weird due to the way government schedules things, so there is more 1P on the streets of Toronto, much more in fact, than real LSD (people falsely think 1P is legal when it's not, so they have more confidence in selling and buying it).

RCs kill: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...t-died-taking-legal-high-two-months-outlawed/

That one case is about 1P. Albert Hoffman knew what he was doing. We're talking about a Nobel Prize worthy chemist who was looking to synthesize a serious medication here, sacrificing his life and youth for research. These RC companies don't care for anything but making a quick buck.

I know this post is bound to piss a lot of people off, but RCs have and continue to kill. Always do reagent tests, start with small doses, and never use it like you'd use cannabis.
 

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1P didn't kill that student, they slyly mention in passing his head injury from a rugby match days prior. Sounds like sports killed him to me, as they kill many each year and take many more lives than any acid analogues combined.

Knowing what you're taking is important, but I don't appreciate biased news like that. Journalists are quick to look past health problems in favor of sensationalism when it comes to deaths, and are not health professionals. Did you notice how no toxicology was really mentioned, just that the drug had started to pass his system after a matter of hours? That's because the journalists didn't think an article about a kid dying from a football injury was worth mentioning... but EVIL EVIL drugs! It has to be exciting, right?
 

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1P didn't kill that student, they slyly mention in passing his head injury from a rugby match days prior. Sounds like sports killed him to me, as they kill many each year and take many more lives than any acid analogues combined.

Knowing what you're taking is important, but I don't appreciate biased news like that. Journalists are quick to look past health problems in favor of sensationalism when it comes to deaths, and are not health professionals. Did you notice how no toxicology was really mentioned, just that the drug had started to pass his system after a matter of hours? That's because the journalists didn't think an article about a kid dying from a football injury was worth mentioning... but EVIL EVIL drugs! It has to be exciting, right?
Interesting observation. I agree, media does lie a lot,
"The inquest also heard that Mr Millward, a keen rugby player, had suffered a concussion in a match three days before his death, and had experienced symptoms including “dizziness”."
I only just read this. My bad.
 

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Interesting observation. I agree, media does lie a lot,
"The inquest also heard that Mr Millward, a keen rugby player, had suffered a concussion in a match three days before his death, and had experienced symptoms including “dizziness”."
I only just read this. My bad.
No worries, just wanted to make it known that the article is more than likely wrong.

I can understand why you would think it wrong for dealers to sell analogues as legitimate LSD; however, I'm of the personal belief that this one - has been happening since the 1960s, and two - that it's not really an issue in comparison to many of the truly dangerous chemicals that could be substituted. In the grand scheme of things, acid analogues are extremely safe and an acceptable bait-and-switch, imo. Most especially the substituted analogues such as ALD-52 and 1P, given that they're almost imperceptibly different from LSD itself, both in terms of effects and safety profile.
 

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No worries, just wanted to make it known that the article is more than likely wrong.

I can understand why you would think it wrong for dealers to sell analogues as legitimate LSD; however, I'm of the personal belief that this one - has been happening since the 1960s, and two - that it's not really an issue in comparison to many of the truly dangerous chemicals that could be substituted. In the grand scheme of things, acid analogues are extremely safe and an acceptable bait-and-switch, imo. Most especially the substituted analogues such as ALD-52 and 1P, given that they're almost imperceptibly different from LSD itself, both in terms of effects and safety profile.
Perfectly put man, I agree entirely. It is always really nice to see somebody step in and say exactly what you think should be said for the good of all. Truth is important, sometimes more than at others maybe.

And I think definitely regarding this issue it is important that people do not get a misunderstanding. You have summed it up to perfection.
 

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No worries, just wanted to make it known that the article is more than likely wrong.

I can understand why you would think it wrong for dealers to sell analogues as legitimate LSD; however, I'm of the personal belief that this one - has been happening since the 1960s, and two - that it's not really an issue in comparison to many of the truly dangerous chemicals that could be substituted. In the grand scheme of things, acid analogues are extremely safe and an acceptable bait-and-switch, imo. Most especially the substituted analogues such as ALD-52 and 1P, given that they're almost imperceptibly different from LSD itself, both in terms of effects and safety profile.
Well, these days we have substances like dragonfly and such, it's possible to OD on certain RCs that are passed as LSD. I think we need something like an FDA but for drugs.
 

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Well, these days we have substances like dragonfly and such, it's possible to OD on certain RCs that are passed as LSD. I think we need something like an FDA but for drugs.
No, I definitely agree, the DOx and other substituted phens can be very dangerous at times and should definitely be screened for. In such a case, 'If it's bitter, it's a spitter' holds true.
 

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Bromo-dragonfly was made I think only one time. There were a variety of deaths from it due to vasoconstriction (including the poor guy who ordered it, he ordered 2C-B-fly and the lab sent him bromo-dragonfly, so he took like 16mg or something and ended up dead) so it never got popular really, but it did appear on blotters as LSD sometimes because the dose was so low. I tried it once (on purpose) and found it unremarkable in terms of trip content/headspace/visuals, and entirely too long-lasting and slightly edgy/uncomfortable in the body, kind of boring and annoying effects... for like 24 hours.

These days the NBOMes are harder to come by than they were, mostly they've been scheduled all over the place and replaced by the NBOHs which at least seem to be a little safer (I know of no deaths from them - though if there are any I'd love to know - whereas the NBOMes have caused a lot of harm and deaths). The NBOMes have been the worst thing for the psychedelic RC scene, IMO, and are the worst things passed off as LSD. The first thing that they used to fake LSD was 5-MeO-AMT, back in the early days (pre-2001, and probably a few years after that), which was a pretty intense drug, very visual and psychedelic, kind of a big bodyload though, and very long-lasting, and probably dangerous in overdose. I tried it a few times on purpose too (it's really nothing like AMT). Then after that came the DOXs: DOI, DOB and DOC. These drugs, while they're more dangerous than LSD certainly, and in an overdose particularly so, at least are quality drugs, in fact I often prefer DOC to LSD. In fact before I found a lifetime supply of powdered DOC, I went looking for DOC blotters specifically. But it's not cool if you're expecting LSD and sudden;y get thrown into a 24 hour trip, particularly if you dose more thinking it isn't working because it takes longer to come up than LSD.

One thing these fakes have all shared is that they're bitter, and LSD is tasteless. It seems to me that there is a lot more actual LSD floating around now and blotter adulteration isn't as much of a thing anymore. Probably because of the relatively recent availability of really cheap LSD again, that we haven't seen since the 90s. Of course you should always be careful and never assume a new batch is safe. You should get a test kit for LSD, plus an easy quick test is possible because LSD will glow under blacklight whereas the common adulterants won't. There are also test kits to test for the presence of an indole, which rules out NBOMes and DOXs, though 5-MeO-AMT is also an indole, but it's been ages since I've seen that one and I doubt you'd ever run into it again on blotters. And the final test, as so many have already repeated, "if it's bitter, it's a spitter". A faint bitterness can be present in real LSD from the paper and/or the ink on the paper, sometimes, but if you taste a strong bitterness, spit it out because it's not LSD. If it numbs your mouth as well then it's an NBOMe.

The legal LSD analogues are actually more expensive than actual LSD where people get this stuff so it's extremely unlikely anyone is passing them off as LSD, but fortunately, even if they did, the other lysergamide analogues seem about as safe as LSD and are also great drugs on their own, and are pretty similar in effect to the point that someone without a lot of experience might never know the difference.

Who knows what the future will bring. Someone recently mentioned new RCs that people are putting on blotter that are tasteless, I wonder what he was referring to? If it's just the other lysergamides then I'm not worried, and again it wouldn't be cost effective to do it. Fortunately, there aren't many drugs potent enough to fit an active dose on a blotter.
 

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I wouldn't be mad if someone sold me ald 52 or 1p lsd as acid. Hell even eth lad I'd be fine with it. Eth lad is a perfectly good psychedelic lysergic acid and the former 2 I mentioned are indistinguishable from lsd 25 for me
 

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Not sure if its mentioned yet or whether its responsible to put in the OP but tolazoline has been used successfully against vascular toxicity of NBOMe's. (Also DOx)
This toxicity can be dangerous to your extremeties and limbs but also vital organs so your life.

Doesn't mean it is a good idea to screw around with it yourself if you and your friends are big on NBOMe's... But may be vital if you can ensure that if you end up in the ER you can concisely communicate what is up to your doc and mention tolazoline.

Oops lol its in the OP

Also... The oral activity also is partially demystified so I would recommend the explanation on that in the OP.

Wtf successful post edit on mobile, gj
 

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Yes, buying substances that are not legal you always risk! You cannot be sure not of the quality of the goods, not of safety, because no one checks the prohibited substances, for example, as food in good restaurants. Here, if you get legalized, you can not worry about quality when buying.
 

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Am on 15 mg lexapro, 2 mg risperidone and daily clonazapam .5 mg? Not sure of clonazepam dose. Anyways trying LSD for first time but am worried about serotonin syndrom and the drugs that could be sold as LSD but arent LSD. so 1). does LSD interact with these meds and 2). is a drug test kit for LSD enough to see if NBOMe is present. If NBOMe or others are present, will they caus SS with these meds?
 

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Am on 15 mg lexapro, 2 mg risperidone and daily clonazapam .5 mg? Not sure of clonazepam dose. Anyways trying LSD for first time but am worried about serotonin syndrom and the drugs that could be sold as LSD but arent LSD. so 1). does LSD interact with these meds and 2). is a drug test kit for LSD enough to see if NBOMe is present. If NBOMe or others are present, will they caus SS with these meds?
Your experience will be muted. Risperidone is a dopamine antagonist and is known to cancel a trip. You will feel sedation without psychedelic effects. Lexapro is an antidepressant and they're known to mute effects too but I'm uncertain on how Lexapro will effect lsd trips. Risperidone will 100% mute your trip.
 
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