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Kratom I don't think I should quit kratom

drewbocop

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I'm one that takes many doses but the dose sizes never increase. 10g when I get up, then 10 grams every 4 hours or so. In other words, way too fucking much powder a day. Been on this schedule for years now. The size has increased compared to when I first started but you have to remember it's been almost 15 years. I do still feel the energy lift at least somewhat with each dose and the analgesic effect never goes away for me at all. I do notice that I go through intermittent periods where I get jack shit for effects. Other times I'll go a stretch where everything is great. Even among the same batch numbers. It's a strange one sometimes.
 

4meSM

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I'm one that takes many doses but the dose sizes never increase. 10g when I get up, then 10 grams every 4 hours or so. In other words, way too fucking much powder a day. Been on this schedule for years now. The size has increased compared to when I first started but you have to remember it's been almost 15 years. I do still feel the energy lift at least somewhat with each dose and the analgesic effect never goes away for me at all. I do notice that I go through intermittent periods where I get jack shit for effects. Other times I'll go a stretch where everything is great. Even among the same batch numbers. It's a strange one sometimes.
How do you feel after 15 years? Have you experienced any new side effects or something like that?

I'm still able to enjoy every dose as well, for the most part. The intensity and the way it feels can change a bit day-to-day, butt it's still consistent enough.
 

drewbocop

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How do you feel after 15 years? Have you experienced any new side effects or something like that?

I'm still able to enjoy every dose as well, for the most part. The intensity and the way it feels can change a bit day-to-day, butt it's still consistent enough.
I feel like I'm 50% kratom. I swear to god it made my eyes which used to be straight blue turn green. No real negative side effects, and with appropriate tolerance breaks (never completely, but I'll lower the dose so that when I return to my normal daily doses I feel it in a more pronounced way) it still retains its magic. I do go through periods where it has almost no effect at all but it comes and goes. Overall, I am a more stable and content person on it than off. My sober periods are just not as good. Could be PAWS maybe or it could be I just don't remember what normal is supposed to feel like since I've been in God Mode for so long.

I do retain a lot of guilt over it because deep down I still feel like I'm a junkie and that this habit is viewed negatively by normies. I fucked up my life real bad years ago and it still is and I haven't been in a real relationship in years. After I broke up with my fiancee and sent her packing I just kind of... stopped. And I think about how any woman I do meet will think about gulping down teaspoons of green powder and how I will explain it. It's a lot like methadone or suboxone in the way that you're constantly tied down to it. Going on vacation or being stuck away from home for extended periods I always have to be carrying a sample bag full of kratom and think of ways I can sneak away to take some if it's that time. Or carrying a shake bottle full of tea or green slurry. Those are the biggest problems. But overall the positives far outweigh any negatives, imagined or not.

Just another addiction and a far more benign one than all the others of my past. Even my mother approves because she was there for the big dogs and the resulting chaos.
 

Pumpkin2021

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Yeah. Makes a big difference when we have to sneak around to dose. Puts so much more guilt on it. And for just Kratom it seems so silly. But i know where you are coming from.

Ha ha ha. Changed your eye color did it? Damn, son. I need some of your green powder :ROFLMAO:

My Mother also approves of my Kratom use. She loves and trusts me again. She couldn't say that 5 years ago.

Stay strong, you aren't a junkie, and the positives for sure, for sure, outweigh the negatives.
 

polarthedog

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Just eat it in front of people, if they ask what your doing, say it’s an opioid, if they don’t like it, tell them they can fuck off. Can’t spend your whole life trying to pretend your something your not in order to make other people approve of you. Your a junkie, im a junkie, but that’s ok, in my experience, if you accept yourself, others acceptance will follow, and if it Doesent, tell em to eat bag of dicks
@drewbocop
Same philosophy I assume gay guys have when they come out of the closet, it’s nobodys business how many dicks you suck, or don’t suck, or how many spoonfuls of green powder you eat a day.
 

4meSM

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Good post drewbocop.

And I think about how any woman I do meet will think about gulping down teaspoons of green powder and how I will explain it. It's a lot like methadone or suboxone in the way that you're constantly tied down to it. Going on vacation or being stuck away from home for extended periods I always have to be carrying a sample bag full of kratom and think of ways I can sneak away to take some if it's that time. Or carrying a shake bottle full of tea or green slurry. Those are the biggest problems.
You're right, one of the worst things about having a kratom habit are the "logistical" aspects. But I've noticed that if I act completely natural, as if it was the most normal thing in the world, then most people don't think much about it (many don't even seem to pay attention).

I always try to prepare my daily dose beforehand though, I mix it with water and carry it in a random bottle, right now I'm using an Arizona blueberry white tea bottle but I change it often (mostly because it's bad to reuse plastic bottles). I'll use anything as long as it's opaque or has stickers that prevent you from seeing the liquid inside, this isn't mandatory but it adds an extra layer or discretion that can prove to be beneficial (for example if you're in your workplace). A stainless steel thermos might be the best alternative but I don't currently own one.

Once in a blue moon someone will ask me about my drink. I'll give different answers depending on the person, but here are a few ones I've used in the past: Matcha, a natural product, a natural product that's supposed to be good for you, chlorophyll, yerba mate, a green smoothie, I don't even know what's in it but x person told me it helps aid digestion, a disgusting green slurry, etc...
Long-term relationships are built on trust though, so in that case honesty would likely be the best approach. That being said, one doesn't always have to be 110% honest, there are many ways to tell the truth.
 
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btechlc

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if they don’t like it, tell them they can fuck off. Can’t spend your whole life trying to pretend your something your not in order to make other people approve of you.
true, but there is a middle ground to be found. I would not use drugs in front of my boss, or daughter, just two quick examples.
 

polarthedog

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true, but there is a middle ground to be found. I would not use drugs in front of my boss, or daughter, just two quick examples.
Agreed, the real question is... what is your favorite dinosaur, mine is a paradoxical
 

drewbocop

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Good post drewbocop.


You're right, one of the worst things about having a kratom habit are the "logistical" aspects. But I've noticed that if I act completely natural, as if it was the most normal thing in the world, then most people don't think much about it (many don't even seem to pay attention).

I always try to prepare my daily dose beforehand though, I mix it with water and carry it in a random bottle, right now I'm using an Arizona blueberry white tea bottle but I change it often (mostly because it's bad to reuse plastic bottles). I'll use anything as long as it's opaque or has stickers that prevent you from seeing the liquid inside, this isn't mandatory but it adds an extra layer or discretion that can prove to be beneficial (for example if you're in your workplace). A stainless steel thermos might be the best alternative but I don't currently own one.

Once in a blue moon someone will ask me about my drink. I'll give different answers depending on the person, but here are a few ones I've used in the past: Matcha, a natural product, a natural product that's supposed to be good for you, chlorophyll, yerba mate, a green smoothie, I don't even know what's in it but x person told me it helps aid digestion, a disgusting green slurry, etc...
Long-term relationships are built on trust though, so in that case honesty would likely be the best approach. That being said, one doesn't always have to be 110% honest, there are many ways to tell the truth.
Yeah, that's all true. And honestly, I've made it sound way worse than it actually is. Just thoughts for consideration.
 

LoLevad

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Hey ya'll. I stumbled on this website tonight at work and I think it might be a lifesaver. I've been a longtime on and off opioid user. I recently had a pretty bad breakdown....was at a point of opioids or a gun to blow my brains out. I couldn't find the pills but a friend scored me half a gram of heroin. That did the trick but now I'm hooked and a little scared to try to be sober again. I hate the suicidal depressing couple of weeks i seem to have every month. I'm already on antidepressants that don't work....and when i try to come off of them I have these god awful brain zaps that don't seem to go away and are exacerbated by my two weeks of suicidal depression....like my body doesn't absorb the antidepressant (cymbalta) those two weeks a month. but the beauty of the heroin is the zaps disappear completely. But it's illegal and my family would be wrecked if they found out. At a half gram a day of heroin, what strain and amount of kratom would you recommend replacing it with? Is there a brand more reliable than another? I bought some from the local headshop but i wasn't really sure what to do with it. it is definitely gross but then again so is heroin so taste really isn't that much of an issue. sorry this post is so long.
 

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Hey ya'll. I stumbled on this website tonight at work and I think it might be a lifesaver. I've been a longtime on and off opioid user. I recently had a pretty bad breakdown....was at a point of opioids or a gun to blow my brains out. I couldn't find the pills but a friend scored me half a gram of heroin. That did the trick but now I'm hooked and a little scared to try to be sober again. I hate the suicidal depressing couple of weeks i seem to have every month. I'm already on antidepressants that don't work....and when i try to come off of them I have these god awful brain zaps that don't seem to go away and are exacerbated by my two weeks of suicidal depression....like my body doesn't absorb the antidepressant (cymbalta) those two weeks a month. but the beauty of the heroin is the zaps disappear completely. But it's illegal and my family would be wrecked if they found out. At a half gram a day of heroin, what strain and amount of kratom would you recommend replacing it with? Is there a brand more reliable than another? I bought some from the local headshop but i wasn't really sure what to do with it. it is definitely gross but then again so is heroin so taste really isn't that much of an issue. sorry this post is so long.

Welcome to bluelight, there is truly nothing like it on the internet.

I'd go with a red bali, dosed 5 grams every 4 hours. But you'll want to taper down before switching to kratom. Kratom doesn't work well for severe withdrawal. If your heroin contains fentanyl you are going to taper off as much as possible. Good luck and again welcome to bluelight.

The brands vary but all of the headshop stuff works usually. Some of it is pretty good actually. Get the powder not the capsules.
 

LoLevad

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Welcome to bluelight, there is truly nothing like it on the internet.

I'd go with a red bali, dosed 5 grams every 4 hours. But you'll want to taper down before switching to kratom. Kratom doesn't work well for severe withdrawal. If your heroin contains fentanyl you are going to taper off as much as possible. Good luck and again welcome to bluelight.

The brands vary but all of the headshop stuff works usually. Some of it is pretty good actually. Get the powder not the capsules.
Thanks for the dose advice. And for the welcome. Not sure how strong the stuff here is. It’s enough to not fall into depression but not really a good euphoria. More like I can keep working until I drop kind of feeling.
 

simstim

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Hey ya'll. I stumbled on this website tonight at work and I think it might be a lifesaver. I've been a longtime on and off opioid user. I recently had a pretty bad breakdown....was at a point of opioids or a gun to blow my brains out. I couldn't find the pills but a friend scored me half a gram of heroin. That did the trick but now I'm hooked and a little scared to try to be sober again. I hate the suicidal depressing couple of weeks i seem to have every month. I'm already on antidepressants that don't work....and when i try to come off of them I have these god awful brain zaps that don't seem to go away and are exacerbated by my two weeks of suicidal depression....like my body doesn't absorb the antidepressant (cymbalta) those two weeks a month. but the beauty of the heroin is the zaps disappear completely. But it's illegal and my family would be wrecked if they found out. At a half gram a day of heroin, what strain and amount of kratom would you recommend replacing it with? Is there a brand more reliable than another? I bought some from the local headshop but i wasn't really sure what to do with it. it is definitely gross but then again so is heroin so taste really isn't that much of an issue. sorry this post is so long.
I recommend Borneo red for a better opiate like feeling. If you know where to look it's cheap by there kilo.
 

kushblowin

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i feel the same way as you except i only do like 2-4g of kratom a day and i never had any withdrawal symptoms. it might suck going a week off or something but i never really notice if i miss a day. i buy a kilo and it just lasts me almost a whole year. i dont see any reason to quit its really mild but i definitely feel it when normal opiates dont do much to me unless i take a lot and mix it with weed.
 

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That's cool you can keep it so low with your dose. I always escalate quickly, can't seem to help myself. An ounce a day ends up not being enough and it goes up from there. My ex used to do kratom with me a couple of times a day but she only ever dosed 2 grams at a time, and never experienced any sort of withdrawal even after 5 years of consistent use. On the other hand I dosed a shit ton and always had terrible withdrawals.
 
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