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Kratom I don't think I should quit kratom

somnilicious

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I used to be on 380mg/day of methadone. 240mg in the morning as soon as i woke up (usually 6am then tried to go back to sleep) and another 140mg around 6pm. Yet i still woke up cold and in mild yet not too mild withdrawal at around 5:30 am). Even when i fully woke up 8:00am i wouldn't feel whole till 9:30am. I would take a glorious nap at like 1:30pm though. Man i miss methadone sometime. Never did i enjoy food as i did when i was on methadone. Or TV. Never liked TV until i was on giant doses of methadone. The simple pleasures.
This is my second go around. I was on 180mgs from 2003-2014 on and off, mostly on. It was only 40mgs from a private Doc at the end.

I just got back on this year. I stopped at 60mgs this time but I've been screwin' up lately and buying a couple of extra 70mgs bottles weekly, like a dumbass..... I gotta get level because it's actually affecting my sleep and appetite.

I actually remember surfing bluelight almost 20yrs ago and reading about you slamming pharma fent on top of that dose.
I was a opiate maniac myself taking upto 480mgs and Xanax bars on occasion. I'm honestly lucky to be alive. I'm afraid my hep-c is going to get me before an overdose if I don't do something about it.
 

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Good posts to wake up to this morning. I am getting some good info and can possibly put my kratom use into a proper perspective. I'm not on a high a dose as some but it's been a 2 year daily habit. Frankly I'm surprised that this head shop kratom is still cutting it for me. I can still feel as little as 4 grams.

But , like smoking ciggies, I am tired of having to dose the stuff. I want to be happy with just weed but weed doesn't offer the different variety of feelings that I enjoy with kratom. I like the fact that it's a popular substance as I get so much good info from other users.
 

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Good posts to wake up to this morning. I am getting some good info and can possibly put my kratom use into a proper perspective. I'm not on a high a dose as some but it's been a 2 year daily habit. Frankly I'm surprised that this head shop kratom is still cutting it for me. I can still feel as little as 4 grams.

But , like smoking ciggies, I am tired of having to dose the stuff. I want to be happy with just weed but weed doesn't offer the different variety of feelings that I enjoy with kratom. I like the fact that it's a popular substance as I get so much good info from other users.
For me the main advantage of kratom over weed is that with kratom I am insanely productive while with weed I just want to chill and do non-productive fun stuff. These COVID lockdowns in combination with quitting weed and picking up kratom have made this the most productive period of my life, by a huge margin. I've started like 6 new hobbies and at work it's going so well that I got a promotion to a managing function. I just can't sit still and just chill when I'm using kratom. I've been a daily weed smoker for 18 years (and I'm only 32 years old) and the downsides began to faaaaaarrrr outweigh the benefits while with kratom it is exactly the other way around. It's a shame about the withdrawal indeed, but if I can find a way to keep my usage the same (it could be that this will turn out to be impossible) I can see myself using kratom for the rest of my life. After having tapered down to 30g a day I can feel 4g of kratom too indeed, I usually dose 5-5,5 grams as a first dose though
 
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@BlueBull You just described my use of weed and kratom to a tee. Seriously. I am exactly like you on the 2 substances. Kratom gets me productive, chatty, outgoing, and the like. Weed makes me turn on Netflix or sit around contemplating my navel. So weird that it affects us the same way.

That is why I have been reluctant to stop dosing. I'm not on any other meds and kratom relieves any anxiety or depression I may have lingering in my brain. I actually believe it helps with so many ailments I used to have. I have an appetite, I sleep well, I get all my daily duties done and I haven't had any side effects from it at all to this date. Had I known about Kratom 10 years ago I would not have derailed my life with pharms that I acquired to treat my symptoms. Spent a boatload of money buying my " friends" scripts and just went off the deep end. 2 years ago I heard about kratom, told my connects they were shit out of luck and were getting no more bank from me, and quit all pharms. I can honestly say that these past 2 years have been the most stable I have ever been and it is all due to kratom. I'm never going back to my old life. I kissed it goodbye.
 

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Okay question for people here who use kratom daily or daily for periods of time or just frequently. Do you use the powdered form? Personally I have used the powdered form for the most part because it is what is available and cheapest bang for you buck. However, I have also used the crushed leaf (strain out the kratom ((it is like tea leaf consistency)), downside is that you have to use like twice as much leaf and its more expensive and takes more time to prepare etc.) but, the CRUSHED LEAF FELT WAY CLEANER, than the GOOPY SLUDGY POWDER. Anyone else like crushed leaf? or Extracts instead?
 

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I can honestly say that these past 2 years have been the most stable I have ever been and it is all due to kratom. I'm never going back to my old life. I kissed it goodbye.
Stable is the opposite of what chronic kratom use does to me! At first I think it did, but now it makes me cranky far too often...I wish I could used a large dose like 3 times a month instead of like using it 20+ times monthly.
 

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Pumpkin. At first kratom was so dreamy and made me so sociable and outgoing. Then it made it lack motivation in the end. A circle. Yet still I would love to use crushed leaf tea and extract 3x a month or so as I do believe this would be therapeutic. But my current use has been abuse. And now i deal with rls after 36hrs give or take...?
 

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Stable is the opposite of what chronic kratom use does to me! At first I think it did, but now it makes me cranky far too often...I wish I could used a large dose like 3 times a month instead of like using it 20+ times monthly.
Hi. Sorry you get cranky from it. Is the cranky part when it starts to wear off or while it's active in your system? When I first started taking it I was also just going to dose maybe once a week. When I found out it pretty much cured my depression and anxiety I started taking it every day.

When I popped pills certain ones would make me cranky when I was on them. I have read other threads where opioids make people feel that way.
 

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Pumpkin. At first kratom was so dreamy and made me so sociable and outgoing. Then it made it lack motivation in the end. A circle. Yet still I would love to use crushed leaf tea and extract 3x a month or so as I do believe this would be therapeutic. But my current use has been abuse. And now i deal with rls after 36hrs give or take...?
I haven't tried crushed leaf to make a tea yet or an extract. but it's on my bucket list. I too abuse it as well. I know I use too much. Story of my life.

Only good thing is it causes me zero complications in my life. No downsides....yet.
 

Lydian Jester

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Its like just as it hits the system lol. Im on edge from the start. but calm as well. Paradoxical. I want something more purely sedating. So I'm planning on switching to h...well we shall see how that goes. Planning to snort to begin.
 

Lydian Jester

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I haven't tried crushed leaf to make a tea yet or an extract. but it's on my bucket list. I too abuse it as well. I know I use too much. Story of my life.

Only good thing is it causes me zero complications in my life. No downsides....yet.
Your lucky to have zero downsides.
I experience a gunking of the intenstines which effects all aspects of being, which is why i've switched pretty much to extracts and planning on using crushed leaf teas as well.
 

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Its like just as it hits the system lol. Im on edge from the start. but calm as well. Paradoxical. I want something more purely sedating. So I'm planning on switching to h...well we shall see how that goes. Planning to snort to begin.
Well........Can't say as i like what you are going to switch too but I do understand why. I used to want more bang in my life as well. Certain things just wouldn't cut it or get me where I wanted to be. I'm older now and have experimented with most things and those things caused me grief, heartache, destruction and chaos.

Kratom is now my only option if I want any type of relief but I'm cool with that. Stay safe please. H isn't H anymore unless you aren't in the US <3
 

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Your lucky to have zero downsides.
I experience a gunking of the intenstines which effects all aspects of being, which is why i've switched pretty much to extracts and planning on using crushed leaf teas as well.
Yeah it is for sure a boatload of plant material. Some people can't deal with it. My rock hard guts seem to be okay ....for now. There may come a day where I have to ease up as well. Then weed will be my only option. I'm never going back to anything I used to take. I can't. I won't survive it.
 

Lydian Jester

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i hate weed but i depend on it i fear for introspective and creative purposes... so im off and on with the stuff... hard to find balance with even harder than with kratom for me.
 

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i hate weed but i depend on it i fear for introspective and creative purposes... so im off and on with the stuff... hard to find balance with even harder than with kratom for me.
Same here with the weed. I will go weeks without smoking any and then I get the urge. Then I will smoke maybe a half joint a day for a few weeks then stop again. Weed makes me very lazy. Doesn't really matter which flavor or strain it is. So I usually only smoke when I know I have nothing else to do.
 

Lydian Jester

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After a certain point as a musician i realized weed makes you no more or less creative it just makes you different than otherwise!
 

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Beethoven was a genius, did he smoke weed? Idk i mean maybe someone more informed can enlighten me, but i love beethoven and I dont think he needed any drugs at all, period.
 

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After a certain point as a musician i realized weed makes you no more or less creative it just makes you different than otherwise!
Yep. I read all the time about weed and creative music. I can't play any instruments and sing like an injured animal so there's that.
 
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I used to be on 380mg/day of methadone. 240mg in the morning as soon as i woke up (usually 6am then tried to go back to sleep) and another 140mg around 6pm. Yet i still woke up cold and in mild yet not too mild withdrawal at around 5:30 am). Even when i fully woke up 8:00am i wouldn't feel whole till 9:30am. I would take a glorious nap at like 1:30pm though. Man i miss methadone sometime. Never did i enjoy food as i did when i was on methadone. Or TV. Never liked TV until i was on giant doses of methadone. The simple pleasures.
That’s the highest dose I’ve ever heard of someone taking regularly,
 
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