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Kratom I don't think I should quit kratom

Xorkoth

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I hope so!

I'm quitting kratom currently, I used agmatine to taper a bit to only dosing twice a day for a couple of days, and today I took a bit of suboxone. I have just enough to take it 3 times. I'm dosing every 3 days to avoid switching dependencies. Tomorrow nothing (the duration is such that I get 2 days of relief), and then loperamide the next day, then another dose. Etc. I've done it this way before. But a friend sent me about a pound of kratom, along with the bupe strip, which I didn't expect. So gonna give it to a friend who uses it so I don't have any to tempt me.
 

electric moon

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Quit doing this its not even funny (they don't pay me enough for this shit 😤)

- negro
 
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xivixive

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shit man, im at like 100g per day in 12g doses like every 4hrs, been like this for about 2 years now... and yes, it is unbearable.. I've been an opiate addict for 20 years, faced a bundle a day heroin habit wd or similar countless times... but kratom... fucking beast, i think id need to be hospitalized around hour 36 if i could no longer get it
 

Lydian Jester

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They wouldn't believe me in the hospital until I was nearly in tears until they gave me Ativan which worked like magic. Then they tried to take me off it again till I nipped that.
Kratom withdrawl is real. I've not been through any hard drug withdrawals, but it was easily in the top 5 most painful experiences I've had to deal with. Mostly because it is just so chronic, I could absolutely could not sit or lie still and felt I needed to break out of my skin.
 

btechlc

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Quit doing this its not even funny (they don't pay me enough for this shit 😤)

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Lol electric moon? More copy pasta? How old are you?

If you want to be funny be funny. Posting copy pasta potty jokes is not funny.

There is a little bit of funny. But it's the type where people laugh at you for being a child, not with you for being clever.
 

BlueBull

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what is this agmatine, and how much would I take to help kick my habit of 12g every 4hrs?
It's a (mainly fitness) supplement. I use it right when I wake up and about 30-60 minutes later the withdrawal is greatly lessened. This helps me lower my dose gradually (tapering) without too much hassle. Have a read of the link in my earlier post, there is a lot of information in there. Do note that I think that biological differences between people make it so that it doesn't work for everyone, reviews are mixed. You could also look into black seed oil for the same purpose, though I haven't used that one personally a lot of knowledgeable people on this forum advise it, which would not be the case if it was nonsense. I have ordered some black seed oil myself so will be able to tell you more about its effect in a few days

I use 1,5g at a time. I believe doses as high as 2.4g have been found safe to take so if you need more you could go up to that level. Higher doses could be safe too but haven't been researched so tread carefully with that. Also be aware that it apparently potentiates number of drugs other than kratom so if you take others, be mindful of that. It also potentiates kratom somewhat which additionally helps in lowering your dose. It's not going to take away your withdrawal completely but in my case it lessens it greatly, from something that's constantly on the foreground to a nagging feeling I can ignore in the background. Also make sure you have pure agmatine, if it's not bitter and chemically tasting, it's not pure

By the way, I was at about 70g at the highest so not that far removed from your dose. I'm now at 30g and lowering still. It's possible, hold on
 

Pumpkin2021

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I'm glad you quit oxy. I'm glad you put your foot down. I'm glad you are a shit lover.

I'm not glad that you were so bored you had to troll a serious HR thread. It's in poor taste.

There are people on here that quit reading the threads when your kind comes along and mucks them up.

Love,

The Crybaby
 

negrogesic

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And what is getting online and taking about quitting Kratom going to do? If you’re going to quit then quit. Put your foot down and do it. You can’t die from the wd’s.
I was addicted to oxy at one point and I quit. I just put my foot down and did it. If a shit lover like me can do it so can anyone.
Grow up you little crybaby.

Final warning with this sort of stuff. Not helpful and abusive. Will start issuing warnings/infractions if you continue in this manner.
 

Xorkoth

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Don't mind the disruptive guy posting nonsense and calling people crybabies for being addicted to drugs. He has a long history on this site of trolling in this manner, getting banned for long periods of time, and when his ban lets up, coming back to do it again. Kind of sad, really. He's banned again so we can move on.
 

negrogesic

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I hope so!

I'm quitting kratom currently, I used agmatine to taper a bit to only dosing twice a day for a couple of days, and today I took a bit of suboxone. I have just enough to take it 3 times. I'm dosing every 3 days to avoid switching dependencies. Tomorrow nothing (the duration is such that I get 2 days of relief), and then loperamide the next day, then another dose. Etc. I've done it this way before. But a friend sent me about a pound of kratom, along with the bupe strip, which I didn't expect. So gonna give it to a friend who uses it so I don't have any to tempt me.

I just started my kratom cold turkey today. Its been about 2 months of 35g a day. Stupidly i took a large dose before i went to bed last night knowing it was last dose: 6g red bali and an OPMS liquid shot (which is like 10g equivalent).

I feel ok today just yawning, edginess and aches and pain. Let see what happens.

Took some black seed oil and agmatine. Don't want to take benzos since a single dose gives me a nasty rebound due to monster benzo addictions in my past. Problem is my girlfriends sister is having a birthday part on Saturday during the peak of this cold turkey and i have to go (last weekend her dad spent all day with his 5 friends helping me transport a 9 foot pool table so i am obligated). Probably gonna be crawling out of skin with those weird surges of restlessness and a benzo is probably going to be necessary. Which means ill be sick from that too.

This is the first time im CT'ing kratom while still having a large supply in my possession. Usually i take it all then CT so i don't get tempted. Lets see what happens.

Im not a big weed user but it kind of helps kratom withdrawal (more so than other opioid withdrawal syndromes). Dose too and and it does the opposite though.
 

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Not for me, I start to get withdrawal within 4 hours of my last dose, though it doesn't get bad until later. Whenever I start using kratom it becomes an every 4-6 hours thing pretty quickly. I dose right before bed and wake up with a runny nose, watery eyes, restless legs, and anxiety/depression. In fact it gets so bad that I always feel slightly withdrawaly, even right after dosing.
This is my experience with kratom. I reach a point where I always feel like I am in withdrawal no matter how much I take. I can't sleep when I'm taking kratom and my mouth feels like a desert but I am getting up every 30 minutes to pee. Its crap to me and totally untenable as a maintenance drug but to each their own because I'm just an old head, longtime opiate addict.
 
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btechlc

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Good luck everyone.

I am getting some full spectrum alkaloid extract (powder) from the popular US company everyone uses.

What's a good starting dosage on this? 100mg?

Can it be smoked or vaped or is that stupid and I should just eat it?

Normally I just use plain leaf from my local headshop 5 to 8 g per dose. Never sought out high quality product from one of the popular online Kratom stores.
 

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Kratom has a serious withdrawal syndrome. Anybody who can stomach taking enough of the stuff daily can and will suffer painful withdrawal. As I've gotten older I've learned that the length and frequency of your use actually determines the severity of withdrawal as much as the size of doses. So no one should ever make light of someone's struggles with kratom. Many an ex heroin addict is stuck on the powder.
 
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Yeah the shaming that occurs from some harder opiate addicts against kratom addicts always pisses me off. Are they as bad as heroin withdrawal? No. But they are still awful.

Opiate addiction is opiate addiction. I went from oxycontin, to heroin, to poppy seeds to poppy pods, to methadone, back to heroin, to fentanyl and now back to methadone again with the odd months of kratom somewhere in that mix over the last 25yrs and none of it has been easy.

But I will say kratom would be preferable, though methadone works better as maintenance for me.
 

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I'm 24 hours into 35g/day cold turkey.

Symptoms:

My joints hurt, especially knees
Yawning constantly
Eyes tearing
A bit restless

Psychological and emotionally I feel better. No significant anxiety only physical.

I rarely smoke weed but I smoked a little as it helps kratom withdrawal. I've had 5 weak beers but this is typical.

Lets see how i sleep. Will dose50mg of seroquel sublingually to sleep. I've been here maybe 10 times. Never that bad though sometimes out of nowhere a weird restlessness will hit me on on day 3 or 4 that is pretty much unbearable that requires a benzo. No doubt it sucks.
 

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I'm 24 hours into 35g/day cold turkey.

Symptoms:

My joints hurt, especially knees
Yawning constantly
Eyes tearing
A bit restless

Psychological and emotionally I feel better. No significant anxiety only physical.

I rarely smoke weed but I smoked a little as it helps kratom withdrawal. I've had 5 weak beers but this is typical.

Lets see how i sleep. Will dose50mg of seroquel sublingually to sleep. I've been here maybe 10 times. Never that bad though sometimes out of nowhere a weird restlessness will hit me on on day 3 or 4 that is pretty much unbearable that requires a benzo. No doubt it sucks.
For Sure, not fun anytime.... I'm one of those people that gets significant PAWS as well after any opiate detox, including kratom and I consider that as part of the withdrawal process.

I'm sitting here waiting for 4am in a few hours for the methadone clinic to open so I can get my weekly take homes. I've been taking a little extra on the side and I accidentally ran through my take homes as of about 36hrs ago. Not looking forward to camping out Infront of the clinic to preserve my spot in line for hours, waiting for them to open to get my weeklies like it's black Friday for junkies. Mess around and you can get caught up in line for up to 4hrs. Yep that's how I rode out Covid almost everyday before I was getting takehomes. The joys...

I swear there was a fight every other day.
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negrogesic

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For Sure, not fun anytime.... I'm one of those people that gets significant PAWS as well after any opiate detox, including kratom and I consider that as part of the withdrawal process.

I'm sitting here waiting for 4am in a few hours for the methadone clinic to open so I can get my weekly take homes. I've been taking a little extra on the side and I accidentally ran through my take homes as of about 36hrs ago. Not looking forward to camping out Infront of the clinic to preserve my spot in line for hours, waiting for them to open to get my weeklies like it's black Friday for junkies. Mess around and you can get caught up in line for up to 4hrs. Yep that's how I rode out Covid almost everyday before I was getting takehomes. The joys...

I swear there was a fight every other day.

I used to be on 380mg/day of methadone. 240mg in the morning as soon as i woke up (usually 6am then tried to go back to sleep) and another 140mg around 6pm. Yet i still woke up cold and in mild yet not too mild withdrawal at around 5:30 am). Even when i fully woke up 8:00am i wouldn't feel whole till 9:30am. I would take a glorious nap at like 1:30pm though. Man i miss methadone sometime. Never did i enjoy food as i did when i was on methadone. Or TV. Never liked TV until i was on giant doses of methadone. The simple pleasures.
 
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