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Kratom I don't think I should quit kratom

Xorkoth

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Yes it is, it's a heavily modified tryptamine. Which is really interesting to me.

This isn't entirely true, as far as I know. Liver damage only seems to happen to some people, and some of the worst cases (liver failure) have been reported days or weeks after they started taking kratom.

I've been a daily kratom user since 2016 and I've gotten my liver enzymes checked numerous times and they have always been within normal levels. I haven't experienced jaudice or darkening or the skin either.

This is on 15-25g a day. Much higher doses might pose a higher risk of side effects. But at the same time, there doesn't seem to be many reports of severe liver damage considering there are millions of kratom users (at least I haven't seen many cases).

Agreed, it does definitely cause liver issues for some, but for most it does not seem to. I have been addicted to 50+ grams a day for about 9 total years of my life (over 6 in a row, every single day for that whole period of time) and have never had any liver abnormalities at all. It's never felt the least bit unhealthy to me, besides the addiction, which is unhealthy regardless. In fact I have been given a clean bill of health and even been told I am very healthy.

That said, proceed with caution, and know that it's possible that kratom could be bad for your liver.

I've heard others like this, and it even makes more sense than what happens to me.

I will start craving more within 8 hours but the runny nose doesn't start until well past 20 hours.

I wonder what causes the delay/difference?

Interesting

It is interesting for sure. I wish I was more like you. The way it is for me makes it fucking suck to be addicted to kratom. And it's very easy to become addicted. It's why every time I try to do it, it isn't long before I'm dosing it around the clock, because I start to feel like shit quicker and quicker. I also start getting withdrawals if I do it 2 days in a row even once, even if I haven't done it for a while. I can maintain every other day if I haven't done it for a while, physically at least, but before long I cheat and from there I start to feel crappy and my rate of usage increases.
 

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OP I too think you should not quit. lol You have a hard time so another method is needed to get off. One thing I will say about kratom is if you have will power tapering can be painless. I too can not tell the difference between 25 gr or 15 gr. Getting down to a few grams and jumping is easier and with some gabapentinoids around it can be even easier. I jumped from a 35 gr a day and it was annoyng but ok. And yes, after a few days all that is left is the lethargy for me. I never get PAWS, I am just happy when I take the bull by the horns. PAWS was not around when I was younger so it did not get into my head and I always felt great a month after stoppoing an opiated. But now PAWS is in everyone's head. A month after stopping an opiate I am like yeah mother fucker!! Ha! and feel good.

Again with will power tapering, spacing doses is a lot easier. I just had some now 19 hours after my last dose and was tired lethargic. But I do remember one time taking it every 4-6 hours and yeah, that is much harder to control. Spacing doses and tapering is the way to go and it can be easy. I never could do that with opiates. And with opiates I do get a dope sickness that is beyond anything kratom can give. In my head kratom is like a jealous little sister pounding her chest saying I am a bad ass but never really peaking to anything like dope sickness for me.
 
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Respect. I can#t take that stuff.
But it doesn't mean that I won't again someday.
 

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i love the DROOGS
 
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I hear that Kratom is really good for putting in those little gelatin capsules. But works good for mild pain too. It is just very heavy to digest all o tfhe time for me.

It's definitely not going to hurt for withdrawal. It is just a required taste. I mean I would recommend it when it can be medicinal.

But just remember. Like everything goes. Just don't do too much. And you will have to take breaks. It can be under rated and over rated. It is a taste one can acquire. Along with a few different strains. 👍🏽

Over all another great gift from nature that does have some effects to help out with at times.

I think it is very natural and can serve its purpose well. Just mho it is a required taste that can help withdrawals that one can have great benefit from at times.

Or something like that. My message got wiped out somehow. o_O
 
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It took me a while to acquire a taste for it. I remember a headshop in UK (rip headshops) selling the extract inngel caps. I took 3 and was fucking bombed!
 

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But Kratom can help and be used as a benefit with proper dosing and by finding a correct dosage as well.
It seems all natural but with all strong substances it should always be used with caution.
The potency can be a bit strong at first !
 

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It took me a while to acquire a taste for it. I remember a headshop in UK (rip headshops) selling the extract inngel caps. I took 3 and was fucking bombed!
Right ! I will remember that then and only take one if ever needed. 👍🏼
Thank you for advice and is great when the perfect dose is adjusted and found !
 

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I can advise everyone in this thread that wants to taper or CT kratom, to look into agmatine sulphate. It is a (fitness) supplement that greatly lessens or even negates the withdrawal from kratom. It really works for me, I was at 60-70g per day (yeah, I know) and landed in the hospital for something unrelated. That experience of going CT in the hospital from such a daily amount really hit me hard and I knew I had to get my usage in check. I tapered down quite rapidly to 30g using agmatine and am continuing on to lower it more and start skipping days

For me the withdrawals start in the morning when I wake up, so I take about 1,5g of agmatine -make sure you have the pure stuff. Pure agmatine is very bitter and chemically tasting but a lot of it isn't really pure- and about 30-60 minutes later at least 75% of my withdrawals are gone, sometimes 100%. It also potentiates kratom so you feel it more while you're taking less. It's a godsend for me but reviews are mixed so there might be some difference between people that explains the difference in experience. It's worth a try without a doubt though. Be mindful of possible interactions with other substances as it is said to potentiate quite a few drugs. I don't take any other opioids or opiates so I wouldn't know which ones, never combined it with anything else than kratom actually

See here for some general info
 
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I've literally taken this stuff for 4 years every single day now. I'm at about 8-15 grams per day now, and it's weird how my tolerance for this stuff is so low when I could easily handle doses of opioids like 120 milligrams of stone cold oxy.

It's just the withdrawal is so awful for kratom at this point. Not many people believe me and I don't blame them for wondering why it would be so bad.. the restless legs were constant. I mean constant--and every single second of trying to sleep was just twirling around in my bed without getting an hour of sleep. Perpetual sweating and so fatigued. I just ran to the local smoke shop to buy more instantly and get some damn sleep, lol. I don't know how I would ever get off this substance if it were made illegal. I feel like I would flock to something much worse to make the sickness go away. I don't understand how I could repeatedly go through opioid withdrawals with stronger substance and higher doses and be fine. This stuff is different. I don't think I can kick kratom.

I wonder if perhaps it's like poppy products. These plant matter opioids often seem to have disproportionately bad withdrawal for the opioid effects.

Probably because they contain multiple active alkaloids that exhibit incomplete cross tolerance with each other. So it's essentially withdrawing off multiple slightly different opioids at the same time.
 

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I can advise everyone in this thread that wants to taper or CT kratom, to look into agmatine sulphate. It is a (fitness) supplement that greatly lessens or even negates the withdrawal from kratom. It really works for me, I was at 60-70g per day (yeah, I know) and landed in the hospital for something unrelated. That experience of going CT in the hospital from such a daily amount really hit me hard and I knew I had to get my usage in check. I tapered down quite rapidly to 30g using agmatine and am continuing on to lower it more and start skipping days

For me the withdrawals start in the morning when I wake up, so I take about 1,5g of agmatine -make sure you have the pure stuff. Pure agmatine is very bitter and chemically tasting but a lot of it isn't really pure- and about 30-60 minutes later at least 75% of my withdrawals are gone, sometimes 100%. It also potentiates kratom so you feel it more while you're taking less. It's a godsend for me but reviews are mixed so there might be some difference between people that explains the difference in experience. It's worth a try without a doubt though. Be mindful of possible interactions with other substances as it is said to potentiate quite a few drugs. I don't take any other opioids or opiates so I wouldn't know which ones, never combined it with anything else than kratom actually

See here for some general info

Yeah this is good information, I recently discovered that agmatine really does help. Getting off kratom is easier with it. Black seed oil also helps. And gabapentin basically negates withdrawal entirely, but you do need to make sure not to take it for too long as it is itself addictive.
 

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Yeah this is good information, I recently discovered that agmatine really does help. Getting off kratom is easier with it. Black seed oil also helps. And gabapentin basically negates withdrawal entirely, but you do need to make sure not to take it for too long as it is itself addictive.
Riiiight, @negrogesic already advised me to get some black seed oil capsules but I forgot, of course. I'm going to order some right away before I forget again =D thanks for the reminder. Curious to see what the effect will be on the withdrawal, if I'm lucky combined with the agmatine it will be completely gone
 
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