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How the British stole $45 trillion dollars from India from 1765 to 1938

TripSitterNZ

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did you not read anything no they are not. Its the other way around. The only reason a industralized UK exists is because they stole 45 trillion dollars from india to fuel their empire. If the UK never stole indias wealth india would be the most powerful highly developed economy in that reigon on par with a living style of japan. and the UK would of been a fucking shit hole that got steam rolled by nazis and a shit hole to live in compared to what it is now.
 

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They're also the reason "civilization" exists in many of them.. as we know it anyway.
It's really the opposite.
I'm sorry, please read a book from time to time, helps against sounding like a jackass.

India has a massive culture that is much older than that of GB. If the UK & the East India Company hadn't been, the country would probably be flourishing instead of wallowing in poverty, like almost all countries that the UK touches. England has a very cruel history.

It's this typical assumption that Americans like to make: The Western World is civilization and technology.
Well, technically we are the bringers of death & major fuck-uppery around the world. We severly fucked up Africa for centuries to come, we fucked up India, we fucked up the Native Americans, Osmania, Australia & NZ.

Africa was RICH as fuck before the Westerners came to steal their stuff ._.°
Hell the UK even sold them guns, but no ammo, in trade for slaves.
So then Africa had guns, but they didn't have any ammo. Also they had much fewer people,
because their tribe leaders sold them into slavery for guns.
That's how fucking wicked the West is.
 

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...what Dr Hickel didn't tell you is that "renowned" economist Utsa Patnaik was calculating the value in Zimbabwe dollars.
 

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Africa probably didn't know half of the resources they had before Europeans came and fucked shit up and likely still wouldn't. Not to say that matters ultimately, just saying, maybe it does today. Europeans are a race of light to the Earth.



 

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Africa probably didn't know half of the resources they had before Europeans came and fucked shit up and likely still wouldn't. Not to say that matters ultimately, just saying, maybe it does today. Europeans are a race of light to the Earth.



Am I allowed to insult this guy? Can I tell him to fuck off? Is this how I earn my first warning points? He is obviously a white supremacist
 

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The thing is, when you talk about "the English" is only a select few at the top, the toffs after money and power that wasn't particularly well distributed amongst the working classes.

The average brit was scraping a living under harsh conditions and being exploited as much as most. Anyone holding my feet to the fire can get to fuck, I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth and my family aren't painted in oil, hanging on an oak paneled wall. If someone should pay reparations then let's start with that old bag on the throne and the rest of her lot.

I'm as equal as anyone born in the UK today, that includes Indians, Pakistanis, Africans, Bangladeshis and any other "british" who walk the earth with our passport. You become British warts an all.
 
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It's a little difficult to assess the British rule in India outright simply because Britain took over a country that was at war, at first between the Mughals and the Marathas and then between the (mostly victorious) Marathas and the remaining Muslim holdouts. The British tended to appoint cronies into positions of power and the first decades of Company rule in Bengal were marked by large famines. But then so were the wars.

Ultimately, the British were successful in pacifying India by establishing a confederacy where large parts of the country/continent became self-governing protectorates, and the British, unlike the native empires, did not discriminate by religion (or rather, not between the dominant religions). So if there was one truly valuable thing Britain brought to India it's the thing we all hope they'll keep: secular government. Ironically, though, they didn't see it that way, and tried to Christianize the country, with very little success.

 
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Can you spell ‘Collaboration’?

Read the books Civilisation and Empire by Niall Ferguson. It’s a more scholarly treatment of the subject than Al Jahzeera can ever provide you.

In most cases colonialism was successful because local kings, princes, warlords, and potentates sucked up to the British and sought their aid to suppress their people or attack their enemies. The British happily advised and took their fees in treasure. There is a significant difference between the Mercantilist period of the British East India Company (or the Dutch East India Company) and the actual Colonial period where the British State controlled India.

The Colonial period was sucky and hard to justify but the Mercantilist period only worked because Indians were more than happy to fuck over other Indians.
 

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India has a massive culture that is much older than that of GB. If the UK & the East India Company hadn't been, the country would probably be flourishing instead of wallowing in poverty, like almost all countries that the UK touches. England has a very cruel history.

Garbage. Indian culture (at least the Hindu part) is built on caste that differentiates the value of human beings. It specifically says that human beings ARE NOT ALL EQUAL. It is hierarchical and fatalistic and designed to ensure that poverty and privilege are maintained inter-generationally. It also includes the little matter of widow-burning (Suttee).

Britain, on the other hand, abandoned feudalism 1,000 years ago and while not precisely a meritocracy certainly allowed social mobility. A brief look at the most famous British intellectuals, explorers, scientists, philosophers, mercantilsts, politicians, artists and many other professions will show you that they were often only 1 or 2 generations away from very humble beginnings if not actual poverty.

India, on the other hand, has been independent for 70 + years and is still a clusterfuck of corruption, nepotism, and rape culture.
 

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Garbage. Indian culture (at least the Hindu part) is built on caste that differentiates the value of human beings. It specifically says that human beings ARE NOT ALL EQUAL. It is hierarchical and fatalistic and designed to ensure that poverty and privilege are maintained inter-generationally. It also includes the little matter of widow-burning (Suttee).

Britain, on the other hand, abandoned feudalism 1,000 years ago and while not precisely a meritocracy certainly allowed social mobility. A brief look at the most famous British intellectuals, explorers, scientists, philosophers, mercantilsts, politicians, artists and many other professions will show you that they were often only 1 or 2 generations away from very humble beginnings if not actual poverty.

India, on the other hand, has been independent for 70 + years and is still a clusterfuck of corruption, nepotism, and rape culture.
Well, yeah, but that is due to their beliefs.
The Church did have some horrible influence in our society as well, but we grew out of it, for the most part.
I find that in crisis, humanity sticks harder to their beliefs, so I can't make myself believe that England had any positive influence.
Being robbed of $45 trillion surely had a bad influence on the development of the country?
 

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Am I allowed to insult this guy? Can I tell him to fuck off? Is this how I earn my first warning points? He is obviously a white supremacist
The amount of white supremacists in CEPs is outstanding this is the sub fourm though were people try be woke on one subject then justify the murder and elslavnement of African americans. I already know a fuck load of these so called woke snowflakes are racists on bluelight. Just this thread bought so many of them to light already to try justify racism colonialism and theft on the highest order as long as it made there own white European country better.
 

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Africa probably didn't know half of the resources they had before Europeans came and fucked shit up and likely still wouldn't. Not to say that matters ultimately, just saying, maybe it does today. Europeans are a race of light to the Earth.

Am I allowed to insult this guy? Can I tell him to fuck off? Is this how I earn my first warning points? He is obviously a white supremacist
I hate to tell you this @Zephyn but easy on the knee jerk reaction my friend (and I mean that sincerely i.e. you and I have had no beefs or differences of opinion on anything ever) (the best of my recall anyway).

@What 23 isn't entirely wrong (although I'm not sure I understand the relevance of the pics. posted). Most African countries are still fucked. And how many years later (after colonialism) (and it wan't just the British by the way)? At best case: they'd not be as far as they are now without the Europeans (and believe me when I say that most, as noted, wouldn't even be this far). Now as to why that's the case: I actually cannot give an answer. But for sure and after all of these years: the failing politicians still blame colonialism and the people still fall for it.

And before anybody loses their shit with me: as I've noted very clearly on another thread I've taken some of my radicalism down a notch or twenty as a result of being a member of these forums and having some productive discussions on various topics and race being one of them. Point being: I honestly believe that my above statements are objective.

A lot of people also tend to forget, or do not know, that tribalism and culture play a big role in Africa. If every non-African dropped off of the face of the planet in the next five minutes Africa would probably still be at war with, and undermining, itself. As to the reason(s) why? I don't have the answers. I do, however, wonder how much of a role corruption, that's fueled by outside powers that be, plays a part (just thinking about the likes of Nigeria and all of their oil for example) (but there are others).

Not going to get involved in a racial discussion or play my part in further polarization. But that's my contribution. All I'm saying really I suppose: easy on the knee jerk reactions and assumptions there is all (trust me when I say I've been all too guilty of the same and all too often around these parts).
 

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Africa probably didn't know half of the resources they had before Europeans came and fucked shit up and likely still wouldn't. Not to say that matters ultimately, just saying, maybe it does today. Europeans are a race of light to the Earth.
See this is my problem.
The West wrecks other countries to shits, stunts their growth for hundreds of years to come,
and then our people say "HAhahahaha what idiots, look at how primitive they are"

They were cultures in other stages of cultural-evolution.
We could have helped them evolve. We chose to rob them.
Land, resources, gold, weapons, people, ..

But then choosing to make fun of them for having stunted growth is just pure sadism.
 

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We killed and enslaved the population of the Eastern Island's, which were actually quite nice people I was told.

But that is not in any of our history book's!
 

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I hate to tell you this @Zephyn but easy on the knee jerk reaction my friend (and I mean that sincerely i.e. you and I have had no beefs or differences of opinion on anything ever) (the best of my recall anyway).

@What 23 isn't entirely wrong (although I'm not sure I understand the relevance of the pics. posted). Most African countries are still fucked. And how many years later (after colonialism) (and it wan't just the British by the way)? At best case: they'd not be as far as they are now without the Europeans (and believe me when I say that most, as noted, wouldn't even be this far). Now as to why that's the case: I actually cannot give an answer. But for sure and after all of these years: the failing politicians still blame colonialism and the people still fall for it.

And before anybody loses their shit with me: as I've noted very clearly on another thread I've taken some of my radicalism down a notch or twenty as a result of being a member of these forums and having some productive discussions on various topics and race being one of them. Point being: I honestly believe that my above statements are objective.

A lot of people also tend to forget, or do not know, that tribalism and culture play a big role in Africa. If every non-African dropped off of the face of the planet in the next five minutes Africa would probably still be at war with, and undermining, itself. As to the reason(s) why? I don't have the answers. I do, however, wonder how much of a role corruption, that's fueled by outside powers that be, plays a part (just thinking about the likes of Nigeria and all of their oil for example) (but there are others).

Not going to get involved in a racial discussion or play my part in further polarization. But that's my contribution. All I'm saying really I suppose: easy on the knee jerk reactions and assumptions there is all (trust me when I say I've been all too guilty of the same and all too often around these parts).
But that's the issue exactly. We do not know how Africa would have turned out without us.
They were still developing. But now everyone's just fighting over scraps, and the country cannot possibly develop.
Hell, the West now has to intervene from making crazy tribals go kill half the population of their country.

But would this even be a thing without us? We sure as hell supplied them with shitloads of weapons.
We can't know, but what should make them different as a culture than us?
Just look at the Bistümer, Germany, basically the cradle of what Western Society is now. We were fighting amonst each other ALL THE FUCKING TIME, after the Roman Empire fell(someone WE depended on) it was utter chaos and war for hundreds of years, until new pacts were built slow and steady.

Through our intervention the Africa is mostly kept from warring over their own disputes, but that makes the countries dependant on us, like we depended on the Roman Empire. If our Empire should fall, it would be absolute carnage, but after some time of slaughtering each other over turf, they would forge pacts slow and steady.
 

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See this is my problem.
The West wrecks other countries to shits, stunts their growth for hundreds of years to come,
and then our people say "HAhahahaha what idiots, look at how primitive they are"

They were cultures in other stages of cultural-evolution.
We could have helped them evolve. We chose to rob them.
Land, resources, gold, weapons, people, ..

But then choosing to make fun of them for having stunted growth is just pure sadism.
I don't want to argue with you either as we have a good online relationship. And even posting a second post on this thread is my getting involved in something I don't really want to get involved with (again). Anyway. Too late now. I'm here.

I agree with everything you say. It's not right and not funny to laugh (at Africa anyway). There's something you'd not have heard from me a year ago I assure you!

But let me say this:

Surely to God it'd be prudent to say "well what's done is done" and get your shit together and move on. For some reason or the other that doesn't happen here.

I'd also go so far as to say that unless there's some very radical changes in most African countries: even if every last thing, that was taken from the African continent, was returned this very day it'd make little to no difference to the people because it'd be funneled away. Sorry but that's reality.

Anecdotally though (and I've never quite really understood this but maybe somebody here, with a higher intelligence, could make sense of it):

One of the few African countries where there's little to no shit and is never in the news etc. is Botswana. I did a lot of business in Botswana at one stage. And obviously spoke to a few people. And I asked them how come Botswana seems to be doing so well (relatively speaking) and how come there's little to no shit in Botswana. The universal answer was that the British simply pulled out and left them to their own devices (and diamonds). There didn't have to be a huge fiasco or uprising or push back to get them, or the whites, out. As I say: never really got my head around this i.e. as to why this would make a difference. But there it is i.e. straight from the horse's mouth anyway. Not that they're thriving. But for sure not as fucked as most of the rest and for sure more peaceful and never in the limelight.
 

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But that's the issue exactly. We do not know how Africa would have turned out without us.
They were still developing. But now everyone's just fighting over scraps, and the country cannot possibly develop.
Hell, the West now has to intervene from making crazy tribals go kill half the population of their country.

But would this even be a thing without us? We sure as hell supplied them with shitloads of weapons.
We can't know, but what should make them different as a culture than us?
Just look at the Bistümer, Germany, basically the cradle of what Western Society is now. We were fighting amonst each other ALL THE FUCKING TIME, after the Roman Empire fell(someone WE depended on) it was utter chaos and war for hundreds of years, until new pacts were built slow and steady.

Through our intervention the Africa is mostly kept from warring over their own disputes, but that makes the countries dependant on us, like we depended on the Roman Empire. If our Empire should fall, it would be absolute carnage, but after some time of slaughtering each other over turf, they would forge pacts slow and steady.
Honestly? I don't disagree with you. And in only the past year or so have I come to the realization that it's a crying shame. Even if for no other reason than that's it's for selfish reasons. This all in reference to Africa (for the record). I cannot speak for the other countries mentioned because they've never been on my radar.

While this may not endear me to some: I'll tell you that if Africa could get its shit together it'd put South America out of business easily (and to be clear: in all my references to Africa I'm talking about, let's call it, "Black Africa" i.e. cannot comment on the Northern parts of Africa and those people seem to be on their own mission) (although from what I've seen: there again the issues of tribalism, custom, religion, and the rest, seem to cause more problems than they're worth too).
 
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Honestly? I don't disagree with you. And in only the past year or so have I come to the realization that it's a crying shame. Even if for no other reason than that's it's for selfish reasons. This all in reference to Africa (for the record). I cannot speak for the other countries mentioned because they've never been on my radar.

While this may not endear me to some: I'll tell you that if Africa could get its shit together it'd put South America out of business easily (and to be clear: in all my references to Africa I'm talking about, let's call it, "Black Africa" i.e. cannot comment on the Northern parts of Africa and those people seem to be on their own mission) (although from what I've seen: there again the issues of tribalism, custom, religion, and the rest, seem to cause more problems than they're worth too).
Yeah, it's just so messed up what we did/do to other countries and their people, and still pretend we're the hero.
Honestly? 9/11 did not shock me. Neither did the wave of terrorist attacks by ISIS.
We do have it coming, we really do. Every one of us deserves it for not standing up against this injustice, especially Iraq, Iran & Afghanistan Wars,
what we did to the Middle East is APPALLING.

How Native Americans can even stomach through a conversation with a White I will never understand.
I think I'd have to converse with my fists if I were in their shoes.

Then this "War against Terror", killing hundreds of thousands of civilians per annum in the name of PEACE & DEMOCRACY.

We do have it coming, and everyone who thinks we don't is either lying to themselves or choosing not to see what we do for a living.


I'm sorry, this makes me so angry, it's hard to stay calm about this topic.
 
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