Help cutting almost 2 years of Tramadol addiction

[gethigh]

yeah i was on heavy doses of tram for 2 years and i didnt have with drawls, the reason for this is tramadol is a prodrug which makes it less addicitive (so the manufacturers say) and give less with drawls. omg tram i love it with a opiate tolerance thro the roof i can get high offf of 200 mg of tram, btw the max amount of tram i took at once was 10 50 mgs, which didnt get me higher than 6 i took the day before goddamn the low binding rate!!

 

[gethigh]

wow look at the off label uses for ultram
* diabetic neuropathy[6][7]
* postherpetic neuralgia[8][9]
* fibromyalgia[10]
* restless legs syndrome[11]
* opiate withdrawal management[12][13]
* migraine headache[14]
* obsessive-compulsive disorder[15]
* premature ejaculation[16]
fuck any opiate plus a viagra will deal with premature ejaculation, it makes it more like a postmature ejaculation.

 

[gethigh]

Just ween yourself off. It shouldn't be too hard.

Masturbate, excercise, get some sunlight, do whatever it takes to release some yummy brain chemicals. Just don't cut. That's the dumbest thing you can do to release endorphins.

Does masturbating work? I always get down after I've had a pull

getting off releases endorphins i think or maybe dopamine im not sure i havnt studied this in a while. but they are your brain pleasure chemicals. which have the similar effect of ultram.

 

[johanneschimpo]

guys stop posting prices please


Anyway, I don't know if this has been said, but you might want to slowly "taper onto" an SNRI, like effexor, as you taper off the tramadol. Now effexor is just an example, I would look more thoroughly at which is best and closest in affinities, but that way you can kick the opiate part and not worry about the so-called "brain zaps." Then from there, you can taper off the SNRI slowly, as to dampen the withdrawals, or if you wish, just stay on the SNRI if you feel like it is helping you. That can go either way - some doctors are all about getting on anti-D's after withdrawal, some say you should wait 6 months - 1 year to see how PAWS effects you before starting any anti-D regimen. I can think this idea out later I am typing really fast and have to go. Consider it though.

 

[nabollocks]

^^Agreed, Effexor would be my choice of ad for withdrawing off tramadol.

 

[Tsukasa]

^ It's pretty addictive too. Withdrawals are probably almost as bad.

 

[nabollocks]

Its not addictive in the sense that you do not have to increase your dose.

Read the study below:

Similar effects of tramadol and venlafaxine in major depressive disorder.Reeves RR, Cox SK.
Department of Mental Health, G.V. (Sonny) Montgomery VA Medical Center, Jackson, Mississippi 39216, USA. [email protected]

The analgesic tramadol has many characteristics in common with the antidepressant venlafaxine. The drugs are structurally similar, share both serotonergic and noradrenergic properties, and undergo a similar metabolic fate. In this study, a patient, who developed significant depression following cessation of tramadol after several years of therapy, is described. Her depression was then treated with venlafaxine with excellent response. It appears that tramadol may have provided a prophylactic antidepressant effect in this patient. Because of its similarities to venlafaxine, tramadol may possibly exert a degree of antidepressant effect in certain patients, particularly those with chronic pain.

PMID: 18364623 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE

 

[Tsukasa]

getting off releases endorphins i think or maybe dopamine im not sure i havnt studied this in a while. but they are your brain pleasure chemicals. which have the similar effect of ultram.

Dopamine and adrenaline cause the arousel effect. The endorphins are released from the masturbation and orgasm.

 

[giles123]

Dopamine and adrenaline cause the arousel effect. The endorphins are released from the masturbation and orgasm.

so why do i feel like crap? hmm probably psychological.

 

[Alephnul]

nabollocks is right to point ou the similarities in tramadol and venlafaxine. I’ve used each, both separately and together, though IME there is a qualitative difference between the two,.

I would aldo say IME tramadol is addictive (hence its similitude with codeine), I got addicted to tramadol for 6 months and stopped abruptly from a dose of 1-1.5mg per day. It was hell, IME worse WD that codeine. Similar but add in more insomnia, RLS and seems to take for ever (the binding in the gut and back took almost a month to shake).

Another occasion I stopped a two-year venlafaxine treatment (went from 325 down to 150 in a week, then abrupt start), again very unpleasant withdrawls: lethargy, rebound depression, brain zaps etc. One can argue venlafaxine isn’t addictive (I’m unsure), but it certainly creates dependence and WDs is stopped abruptly (tapering off gives mixed results). After 3-4 days, started feeling much better and had a very epiphanic moment – I realised how clearer I was able to think, regained my creativity and imagination, restarted my sex drive…in fact restared my ‘drive’ in all areas. I felt in retrospect like I’d been ‘zoned out’ whilst taking it. No highs or lows, just steady state. (I should add at this point that I have no problems with SSRI/SNRIs), though Sertraline turned me bonkers for a short period.

Effexor was effective in lifting a crippling depression that was leading me to an early grave, but here in the UK it was a last resort to acute clinical depression. I also don’t condone medication cessation without consulting your doc. It’s just my doc seemed to want me to stay on them for ever leaving me with little choice.

DO NOT TAKE BOTH meds together, you could end up with Seratonin Syndrome (v. serious), I’ve done it and encountered serotonin sickness – very unpleasant.
IME Tramadol is addictive, and Venlafaxine creates heavy dependence with prolonged use. Tramadol WDs can be worse than codeine/DHC.

CONCLUSION: As with all pharms, follow scripted dosing, but balance their effects against their side-effects (log and short term)


AN

 

[empty87]

Now, I have not tried Tramadol until just yesterday when I got prescribed it for a broken toe, so I really do not know about any withdrawals about it. But I did quite a bit of research on it last night and even in the info book that the hospital gave me about the drug, it does say that prolonged use and not using it correctly can cause withdrawals. I would not quit the drug cold turkey like you're talking about because I have tried to do that when a Hydrocodone addiction and a Oxy addiction a few years back and it just don't work. The best thing you could do is keep lowering you're dose and just taper down on the drug slowly.

 

[second650]

sad. i wasnt able to quit this weekend like i was planning to. is there any one out there that consumes over 3000mg of tramadol a day? PM me if u dont want it out there like that....

 

[useemecrying]

This appears to be an old thread but still I would like to give my input towards the discussion. Tramadol, according to studies, doesn’t have a high occurrence of addiction. What it does is it just ease the physical pain. There are cases where it doesn’t help patients due to the fact that each patient’s body system reacts differently. Which is actually true with any type of medication. It worked for me, though. Lucky me. And make sure you only take what was prescribed by your doctor. You can’t go wrong then.

 

[BadHabbit]

i dont really think tramadol will give you very bad withdrawals at all, its a very very weak opiate, some doctors around here even say its a synthetic, or has no opiate properties, not really sure. either way, the best way to quit something is to stop taking it slowly. Lower yourself off it. And be thankful you dont have a nice oxy or hydromorphone or fentanyl addiction to get rid of, cuz that is hell. Good luck

Actully its worse, its got SNRI propertys and that withdrawl can be hell, IE Brain Zaps and such plus the opiate wd symptoms, as someone else said, cut the dosage slowly ie by 1/4 of your normal dose every 2 days (this way youre stepping down very slowly) and if you dont mind me asking how much Tram do you take? and in what form IR OR ER>? this is important to know... anyway you can PM me if you want and Ill be more then happy to help you set up a taper (if you can stick to one its hard having pills you (ab)use and not doing so) peace love and light Hippie

 

[delphinen]

Hi. This was an old thread from me.
After a loooong battle, I could get off Tramadol tapering off. Going cold turkey was impossible.

In this 12 months I have tried a lot of times Oxycodone. I have been on Oxy for a month even. When I got off that stuff, I just felt depressed. How can someone say Tramadol WD its not worse than H?
please... it was really hell... being afraid at work of having a tonic seizure... getting those HORRIBLE brain zaps.. the depression that lasted like a month.... god..... just the fact H WD its hell doesnt make Tramadol WD not worse. Really guys.

Now im on 500mg Codeine and 8mg Alprazolam/Clonazepam per day. Im functioning perfectly at work and with my family. When I want to get high, I add more Codeine, a little more benzos, Carisoprodol, Naproxen, Diphenhydramine, and Loperamide. But thats on weekends when I want to be high. For the working days, as I said, Codeine and some benzos are perfect.

All I can say is, never abuse Tramadol guys. I mean it.... it will very nice at first, all that O-Desmethyl on your body.. but it mess up so bad with your brain, flood it with Serotonin, Norepineprhine, makes impossible to sleep unless you take a ton of benzos... really, dont be fooled, its prefer to find a way to get enough Codeine for a high that just going out and buying Tram.

Be safe.

 

[megawoof]

tramadol

cant understand how you can get really addicted to it i use tramal version which come in ampoules and i iv it use it regular to give lift when dont have oxy or h find it warm relaxing nothing horrible i think your benzo addiction is more of problem i do two shots a day 2ml ampoules and as for that dorcium find that a nightmare first few times was great was injecting 3ml ampoules yu sleep totally out for about 3/4 hours dont remember anything but taking it everyday yu quickly get tolerance then cant sleep at all

 

[delphinen]

Yeah, benzos is far more important than me than opiates: I mean, im addicted to them, and also benzos, but MEDICALLY I cant be without benzos because of problems with my brain (I have higher voltage than the normal).
On the other hand you cant understand how can I get addicted to Tramadol?.... make a search... anywhere... maybe you lack the enzime of the metabolization who knows.

 

[a100unitSHOT]

I never knew people got addicted to tramadol, but I've seen a lot of posts about it lately. It doesn't do anything for me.... Then again, I've never taken that big of a dose. Do you really have to take that much? I've always thought, if you have to take that much, get something stronger. Sounds like a tramadol habit would be just as expensive as my heroin habit dollar per dollar.... That's crazy!

 

[smackem]

Well fuck. I just kicked methadone oxycodone and heroin and was patting myself on the back cause im just taking tramadol now. I have only been taking it for 2 days, i have a bottle of 60 50mg. Think I will get any brain zaps when I stop? I take maybe 500mg a day.

 

[dputty]

I agree with Rav23, Taper or weaning is the best way to manage any substance addiction. Just cut your dose lower and lower at a pace you can handle by decreasing the amount you consume along with the how often you take it and and space out the gaps longer and longer until your carefree. Try to work out what times of the day your most craving so u can only take it then, prioritise, like sleeping should be an important factor so try and hang out an hour or two before bedtime before taking the tapered dose just so you can at least get some uniterrupted sleep. make a plan on paper outlining your weaning dose and methods, and set a date and make it your goal to be weaned off the drugs by then.

Most important of all remember prevention is the best cure. you could have easily prevented this from hapening in the first place by taking breaks in between your use and using sensibly if your using recreationally you have no excuse as missing out on a few days or a week of fun will not kill you, even I take a few days off from the painkillers I desperatly need to manage a chronic condition and severe joint problems, so whats your excuse? Those breaks you take in between are for a better cause. you should know that by now that if you allow yourself to use too regualrly you risk addiction and a bad withdrawl, using sensibly is all a part of the package to enjoying drugs.

Im glad you are trying to stop letting your addiction take control of you, good luck

Man, he didn't come here to get a lesson from you. He was asking for helpful information for where his life is at this point. I am sure he has already thought to himself everything you have just said, but I'm sure you know (if you've ever been addicted to anything) that a drug can take hold of you even if you have the best intentions.