Misc Favorite "Strain" and Method of Consuming Kratom

[Peacephrog1972]

So how do you extract it? I'm sure it can't be all that difficult. Is this fat soluble or water soluble??

 

[DarkStarCrashes]

I have perused various teks available online and extraction seemed to be a lot of work, at least compared to a dmt or mescaline extraction. You cannot use a simple STB or A/B extraction with kratom, right? Also, from the sources I have seen 7-hydroxymitragynine was very expensive compared to buying leaf. Have you found that it is feasible to purchase these extracted alkaloids at a comparable price per dose ratio compared to straight leaf?

 

[kisps]

The Plantation Maeng Da seems to have a perfect ratio of alkaloids that gives me both strong sedative and energizing effects. I like to mix mine in with high pulp orange juice, seems to go down a lot easier that way.

 

[St3ve]

I'm mostly the same as OP. I don't really get much enjoyment out of the sedating strains and find them to be the most boring of the kratoms. White sumatra and green malay are my two top favourites, or better yet a 60:40 (white:green) combination of the two!

I usually eat mine mixed in with fruit yoghurt. Lemon, peach and pineapple seem to be the best flavours to mask the taste. Capsules are good too, but a lot of effort to make...

 

[DixiChik]

Maeng Da was recommended to me for pain relief/mood lift. I am prescribed Oxycodone for PM (long, long story) but I don't like it. I don't want to become dependent on yet another doctor and more prescriptions.

I gag with the T&W...decided to use capsules. It had potential for slight "ease" of pain, but was very helpful for depression.

Unfortunately, pre-existing GI issues w/constipation were INCREASED. I read a couple posts above that had same issues. Any way to prevent the constipation? If so, it could be a viable option for me.

Otherwise, I'm once again totally screwed with forever GI pain and suicidal depression. Jeez...Somebody HELP!

 

[DarkStarCrashes]

Unfortunately, pre-existing GI issues w/constipation were INCREASED. I read a couple posts above that had same issues. Any way to prevent the constipation? If so, it could be a viable option for me.

Otherwise, I'm once again totally screwed with forever GI pain and suicidal depression. Jeez...Somebody HELP!

I would think that kratom is an insufficient drug for suicidal depression, and something so serious should be treated my a mental health professional who could find a suitable Rx for you.

Also, unfortunately constipation is a side effect of all the opiates and opioids that I am aware of. My best advice to prevent this would be plenty of fluids, fiber, and use of a stool softener and/or laxative. Good luck!

 

[DixiChik]

Thanks for your thoughts, DSC...When I say "suicidal depression" it relates to almost 4 decades of pain due to traumatic injury, disease, and multiple surgeries and chemotherapy to eradicate the disease.

I certainly could have taken the route of "suitable Rxs" before the age of 20. I did not, because I did not want the issues that come with long-term opiate use. I'm 54 now...and I still don't want to take the opiates.

I currently take an AD and AA prescribed by my therapist, to help me deal with the issues that CHRONIC PAIN intensify. I surrendered to PM in 2014 after seeing 8 specialists across 3 states. ALL of them said "seek PM". I did. I have. It's not effective with my GI issues.

It's complicated...no, beyond complicated. The failure of the PM was my last "best hope". My bowels are choked by disease and adhesions.

My intent was NOT to "choke" your Kratom thread. I'm well aware of your suggested regimen for healthy bowels. Sadly, it doesn't apply to my situation, because disease and treatment destroyed that possibility LONG AGO.

Sorry to "poop" the party. I'll leave now.

 

[DarkStarCrashes]

Sorry to hear about your troubles, I hope that you find an effective treatment method for your needs and your story has a happy ending.

 

[Nom de Plume]

I have perused various teks available online and extraction seemed to be a lot of work, at least compared to a dmt or mescaline extraction. You cannot use a simple STB or A/B extraction with kratom, right?

As far as I know, you are correct. I was instructed on how to do these extractions by somebody else. Thus, my knowledge of the process is as technical as that of somebody who learns to make a soufflé by imitating a chef. I only know what to do, not how it works scientifically or why it works theoretically.

Also, from the sources I have seen 7-hydroxymitragynine was very expensive compared to buying leaf.

That's because the sources you've seen were esurient, money-hungry, perfidious, and unscrupulous. They simply wanted to milk as much money from buyers as they could.

A niche, recherché drug like 7-hydroxymitragynine is by virtue a rarely sold drug, and prices are not set by the standards of the market but by the caprice of individuals.

This is because there doesn't really exist a market sizeable enough to allow for competitive pricing or to possess a sufficient supply of brokers. This does not allow the prospective buyer to explore cheaper alternate purveyors (as there is an extreme paucity of purveyors of which to survey), so they are essentially forced to pay whatever inordinate cost a dealer sets.

A result of this scenario is that a seller can arbitrarily price his products (usually to an exorbitant and prohibitive extent) and any potential buyer is faced with the dilemma of either forgoing the purchase in lieu of keeping their cash or either complying with the unreasonably high expense incurred by making the purchase.

Whereas drugs like heroin, morphine methamphetamine, cocaine, etc., are competitively priced (i.e., prices are dictated not by the vagaries of dealers, but by the prices of the competition within a given geographical or socioeconomic ambit and, to a lesser degree, the learned expectations of the clients), uncommon drugs do not enjoy such price restraints.

Personally, I cannot find there to be any justification for this drug being expensive,because:

1.) Kratom is cheap, readily available, and legal (in most jurisdictions with which I am familiar; but even if it were illegal it is still easy to procure—even in bulk—because it is a plant that takes as much expertise to grow as do tomatoes or watermelon or opium or whatever).

2.) The extraction of kratom's primary psychoactive alkaloids is an arrant cinch for anybody willing to invest about a couple hours of research. But you may disagree, since difficulty is always, for anything, a subjective quality and matter of personal opinion.

3.) The extraction process is affordable and does not require any hard to acquire accoutrements or equipment, and the equipment that is needed is cheap and readily accessible.

4.) The amount of laborious or the quantity of time one needs to invest from the start to finish of the process is relatively insignificant.

All these factors are such that, when taken together, the minimal price at which one stands to make a worthwhile profit, account for overhead, and is remunerated for labor and risk should be very low. In my opinion, the price of a gram of even pure 7OHM should not exceed, say, $50—if and only if it was made via synthesis rather than extraction can I accept a higher price.

Anything more costly than that is the result of patent avarice and pure greed. That's my opinion, and you are at liberty to dislike it or disagree with it.

Have you found that it is feasible to purchase these extracted alkaloids at a comparable price per dose ratio compared to straight leaf?

I'm not sure I understand the question.

1.) What do you intend to mean by "feasibility"? Feasible in terms of cost, accessibility, practicality, or something else?

2.) Why would it make any theoretical difference in feasibility or any other variable at all if the price per dose ratio is comparable between the extracted alkaloids and the alkaloid-containing natural substance, inasmuch as cost or economy is concerned?

 

[Nati]

I have discovered a way better method of consuming my doses.
I start by putting 250g into a pot. Boil 30 mins. Strain. (Repeat 2X)
Combine both rinses in one pot and boil down to a syrupy extract.
Roll a nice pinch in a ball. Place it on a piece of toilet paper and "parachute" that.
A lot more effective than my usual 3 teaspoons of vial powder.

 

[Peacephrog1972]

Interesting.....so how many grams would you say the ball is?

May have to try that!

 

[Oakstone]

Red Borneo, all the way. I've tried ~12 varieties, and that's the only one I use now. For a while I used Green Borneo, but mostly just because my vendor was out of Red at the time. It was okay, but not near enough nod+itch for me, plus I found it could sometimes give me more nausea.

I just mix one dose (~4-5 grams) of powdered kratom in around 8 oz of water, chug it down, put a dash more water in the jar and shake it up, then down that as well. If I have it handy, I'll take a few drinks of some iced tea or juice or whatnot, which pretty much completely removes any remaining flavor.

Oh, and very recently, I started taking one 25 mg diphenhydramine (Benadryl) pill per dose of kratom. I heard that diphenhydramine can help with motion sickness (and possibly nausea in general), which seems, to me, to be similar to the way kratom gives me nausea; it can make my vision kind of shaky and stuff, and I find that staying still and closing my eyes can help. (This is with longer kratom sessions.) So far, I've found it to work quite well. I may still feel a little nauseated at points, but nothing too bad.

 

[DogLover123757]

When I started I liked the stimulating properties of MD, but I quickly went to UEI and I fell in love with the opiate like rush and euphoria that it provided me. After many months on UEI nothing else would even have any effect. I parachuted in toilet paper for the quickness of getting it down and to avoid the taste, I could never get used to the taste. I stopped about a month ago because I abused the substance and even extracts didn't work because I never took a day off, couldn't do it so I ruined the experience and it just made me stale and stupid at the end. For me coming off of UEI was harder than the opiates I was taking when all this started.

 

[Lynn8514]

About 30 minutes ago I just took 3grams of the Maeng Da powder for methadone withdrawal (currently day 27.. Or maybe 28? Been withdrawing so long I've lost track of time lol). It was my first time taking it so I tried to mix it with water and it just wouldn't mix so I had to just throw the clumpy mix back like taking a dirt shot.

I definitely don't feel any withdrawal symptoms but I don't think I'd really compare it to how opioids feel either.. Kinda like smoking pot and taking some opioids too.. Maybe. Idk I've just been laughing like a lunatic. LOL

 

[ScuicidalNod]

Mixed with yogurt or applesauce. Can't do toss n wash. I find it really hard to tell the strains apart.

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I have a huge tolerance, from yrs of opiate use, and have to consume 12~18g of Maeng Da to get anything goin on. Even then, eh...
Here's the tech.:
Mix powdered kratom w/ SMALL amount of applesauce, to thick pudding consistency.
Take a mid size spoon full, try and get as far back in your mouth as ya can.
Have a glass of Grapefruit Juice ready, and wash that chunk o kratom down ye gullet.
Rinse mouth w/ juice, shudder and twitch.
Repeat.

Basically a toss n' wash, but w/out all that powder.

Kratom is so bitter that trying to sweeten it will always fail. Go bitter w/ bitter- Grapefruit Juice. The juice also works better w/ applesauce than yogurt k-puddin because of the fruit on fruitiness...Ya dig?
Yogurt kratom chunckys washed down fast work great too...But it's the sauce and GFJuice FTW!

 

[Peacephrog1972]

Don't you folks dojng the giant amounts (over 10grams) get horrendous nausea? Anything over 5gm starts to get to me!

 

[ScuicidalNod]

Kratom is 1 of those substances that often less=more.
Thus why I mentioned my huge tolerance.

For most folks I would say that 5g's is plenty for energy or the nod, and 10g's and above will give you the shaky shivers, and soon you'll be making calls on the big white phone.

Kratom has a real sweat spot~ under dosed is disappointing ~ overdosed is icky poisoned feeling- some of the reasons why many people talk shit about it.

It is not a true opiate. So no real receptor binding happens (though addiction is very possible). I find it is mostly folks who expect full-on opiate like bliss that poo-poo it. It is a great tool for mild/moderate pain, or to get through grueling work days, or to help out after being ill for long periods.

Use it for the tool it is...The US Gob'ment would've smacked it w/ the Ban Hammer long ago if folks could really get serious pain relief/high off it, w/out adverse effects like vomiting shaking, daria, etc...

Another incredable, diverse, powerful tool...To be respected, and used wisely.

 

[seth_7re]

big ol spoonful of honey stick as much kraytom to it as possible possibly chace with some good ol mtn dew!
the honey makes the whole expirience of consumption almost pleasant for me anyway!

 

[kangaroojackaroo]

Anybody try Red Vein Kali? Definitely a mood booster. I used to prefer Maeng da, but I felt it was getting boring after about 4 months so I switched to Kali and it is quite lovely and subtle.

 

[hangyourhead]

I enjoy mixing sedating strains like Bali with stimulating strains i.e. Maeng Da or Green Malay. It's a nice balance, both the stimulatory and opioid effects are enhanced and more euphoric.

Being a IV opioid/heroin addict (off and on), I prefer the strains with high mu-agonist alkaloid content such as 7-hydroxymitragynine so I go for potent extracts, UEI, and Ultra-Enhanced Maeng Da, but I still wouldn't pass on the plain leaf strains.