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Epstein Dies in Custody - Alleged Suicide, Some Speculate it was a Hit Job

JessFR

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and what about all the things that you don't see?
If I don't see it I can't factor into my view of the world, that's just the reality of not being God. We only have some of the picture to work with.

OK so in spite of my personal embargo against YouTube videos, I started watching the first of the three links you put up. I got a little while into it and then realized there didn't appear to be any actual whistleblowing in it.

It all seemed to be some guy, narrating about what some other guy supposedly said and did. With seemingly no sources. How is that whistle blowing? To me whistle blowing is when someone involved in a cover up or conspiracy comes forward. Not when some guy totally uninvolved reports on what some other guy almost entirely uninvolved supposedly said or did.

If any of the other links involve someone who actually participated in the conspiracy in a knowing way, let me know and I'll watch that one. Provided it's their words and not someone else's words about their words.

I find it weird that you assume that every single covert conspiratorial plot will definitely be exposed. I can't follow this logic at all. It is very presumptuous.
Admitidly I could have done a better job explaining my point, so allow me to try again.

My point isn't that every conspiracy is likely to be revealed or a belief in some sort of confirmation bias where every conspiracy we know about failed... Because otherwise how would we know about it...

My point is that if people in power can't even keep fairly small and easy conspiracies under wraps, it doesn't seem very believable that they're successfully keeping huge conspiracies under wraps.

I'm sure there are some conspiracies that were never revealed. But we can only go on the evidence we have from history. And what we have suggests that people aren't very good at keeping conspiracies quiet. And I suspect it's only gotten harder now that humanity is more connected than ever.

Conspiracy theorists would probably claim that most of the huge conspiracies HAVE been revealed. They've discovered them. And it's just that the rest of the public are sheep and can't see it.

I don't buy that because from time to time conspiracies are revealed and the public as a whole DOES recognize them as what they are. Including some recent ones, especially relating to government surveillance and military activities.

And, while it's impossible to be truly objective as subjective creatures that we are, using my best attempt at objective logic I can see the clear flaws in reasoning used by most conspiracy theorists. Which suggests to me that they're the ones not seeing things clearly, not everyone else.
 
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My point is that if people in power can't even keep fairly small and easy conspiracies under wraps, it doesn't seem very believable that they're successfully keeping huge conspiracies under wraps.
I've asked you multiple times what's the difference between "small" and "huge" and you are refusing to define it. So I can't really take what you say seriously. And as I've explained, it doesn't take a large number of people to enact what you would perceive as a large conspiracy due to compartmentalization. If you are able to understand this, then are you willing to admit the people at the very top would be able to conduct these operations? Or do you assume because they are at such high positions, then they just wouldn't ever do things like this?

And what we have suggests that people aren't very good at keeping conspiracies quiet.
This is where you fail at logic. You don't know anything about the ones that remained secret. So there's no way you can even guess as to what % of these grand conspiracies are successfully kept under wraps.
You also are terrible at recognizing the evidence that exposes actual conspiracies, so you would be the last person someone should ask regarding the prevalence of covert government plots (which we know factually do exist).

Conspiracy theorists would probably claim that most of the huge conspiracies HAVE been revealed. They've discovered them. And it's just that the rest of the public are sheep and can't see it.
Again I object to you using the group term "conspiracy theorists" to refer to anyone that distrusts official narratives, but the serious alternative researchers admit that much of what goes on is hidden. But what we can see are the effects and results and that can give us further clues.

I don't buy that because from time to time conspiracies are revealed and the public as a whole DOES recognize them as what they are. Including some recent ones, especially relating to government surveillance and military activities.
What annoys me is how quickly people forget what was said earlier, once a conspiracy is proven true and accepted by the mainstream as evident. Before Snowden it was considered a crazy conspiracy theory that the government was even monitoring all communications. Time and time again it's the alternative researchers that prove they're ahead of the curve, and the anti-conspiracy theory doubter/skeptics who are proven wrong or ignorant. What you need to get better at is discerning legitimate alternative researchers with crackpot conspiracy theorists. You don't know how to tell the difference and it's clouding your judgment while reinforcing your bias.
 

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You keep talking about proven conspiracies.

Why do you think it is that there's almost universal acceptence of conspiracies like the one Snowden revealed. But not of conspiracies like 9/11?

According to you there's piles of evidence for the 9/11 conspiracy, so why are some conspiracies so much more widely accepted than others?
 

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Why do you think it is that there's almost universal acceptence of conspiracies like the one Snowden revealed. But not of conspiracies like 9/11?
That could be a long discussion. Some people have surmised that the NSA leak may have been purposeful. Either an inter-departmental attack by the CIA to expose the NSA (who can spy on the CIA), or it may be getting the populace used to the idea of being surveilled. Because after that, it helped them control people's actions. The average person became more hesitant to speak their minds and would self-censor now that they know for a fact they were being monitored. And look what resulted in that conspiracy leaking - nothing, really The NSA continues their mass surveillance and the people did not rise up in protest and demand these agencies respect their right to privacy.

Whenever any event happens you must ask cui bono - who benefits?The truth about 9/11 leaking to the public would be disastrous for the US/M-IC establishment and possibly the intelligence agencies of some other states. Virtually every war from Afghanistan onwards had as its basis islamic terrorism, where 9/11 was considered the shocking foundation.

According to you there's piles of evidence for the 9/11 conspiracy, so why are some conspiracies so much more widely accepted than others
The way the media reports on it matters a lot too. There was no mainstream media critically analyzing 9/11 or reporting on further developments that show the official story to be the farce that it is. When you get a sense of who was involved then you begin to understand why.
 

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Jeffrey Epstein and Harvey Weinstein were guests at Princess Beatrice’s 18th birthday ball

SEX beast Jeffrey Epstein and rape accused movie mogul Harvey Weinstein were guests at Princess Beatrice’s 18th birthday ball.
Billionaire Epstein, 66, a former pal of Prince Andrew, the birthday girl’s dad, flew into the UK the day before the lavish Victorian-themed bash at Windsor Castle.
The disgraced tycoon was accompanied to the £400,000 celebration by British ex-lover Ghislaine Maxwell.
Epstein was arrested on child prostitution charges just days later.

Weinstein, 67, went with Georgina Chapman, the Brit designer pal of Beatrice’s mum Sarah Ferguson who created the party girl’s £10,000 blue taffeta gown.
They wed but she divorced him after dozens of women accused him of sexual abuse in the #MeToo scandal. He faces trial next year.
The mask ball’s theme was 1888 to mark 100 years before Beatrice’s birth and guests wore Victorian costume.
It was held on July 15, 2006 and continued the Queen’s tradition of giving her grandchildren a coming of age birthday party. She and Prince Philip did not attend.
 

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Brown University official suspended in connection to Epstein MIT gift probe


A Brown University fundraising director has been placed on administrative leave as the school investigates his involvement with alleged sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein while working at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT).

University spokesman Brian Clark confirmed that Peter Cohen, the director of development for computer sciences and data at Brown, is on leave as the school examines the claims laid out in a New Yorker article published last week about Epstein's ties to MIT.

The administrative action against Cohen was first reported by the Providence Journal.

Cohen helped work to conceal donations from Epstein, who had already pleaded guilty to state charges of prostitution and procurement of minors for prostitution, while he was director of development for the MIT Media Lab, according to emails cited by The New Yorker.
 

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Nice @JGrimez, I hadnt heard that latest bit of news 👍

To me its amazing how people who do much less evil, even just us if we get caught in the wrong situations with the wrong stuff, could go all over the news, but these dudes in power they are always cloked in shadows~~One of the first people to look up the case was Private Investigator Ed Opperman (
podcast from 2016.) Takes a god damn P.I to broadcast this stuff.
 
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