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Effects of criminalization of coke in Latin America (country specific)

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Anyone know anything about Paraguay? Or anywhere where I could find info on that county? Also, I unfortunately don't speak Spanish...parents tried to teach me but learning disabilities can suck.

Also...I have googled but I am interested if anyone here has more info.
 

usual-suspect

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real stuff going on
Shocking. Not just the guns, but how all of them look like soulless, paranoid killer zombies, like a nightmare. The armies of death. Cocaine should be legalised to stop that, and for once, bring the pain and responsability to the consumer countries. First world is nurturing a society of childish fragile non consequential adults while allowing this structure of crime and death to unravel in producing countries. Terrible.

South America is fucked up by corruption and populism. The USSR and the USA played games all along the continent during cold war and now the Cuban Communists and the pro-marxist Foro de Sao Paulo is fucking it up even more. Add the icing of cocaine traffic on top of that. I hope they can shake out all of that.
 

jose ribas da silva

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This was funny, where are you from?

Anyone know anything about Paraguay? Or anywhere where I could find info on that county? Also, I unfortunately don't speak Spanish...parents tried to teach me but learning disabilities can suck.

Also...I have googled but I am interested if anyone here has more info.
Brazil and Paraguay have different borders, one of them is fucking dangerous, different cartels are fighting for power. Paraguay is a paradise, there is no police, no laws, one can gamble, lot of high quality drugs, prostitutes, very cheap place. Highly recommended for tourism. It is a place to buy things as well (without taxes), electronics, cigarettes, alcohol, guns.

Seriously, one can get a lot of fun in Paraguay.
 

Hylight

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^ My neighbors. A preacher and his wife went on a mission to Paraguay. They told how they met the nicest people ever. And they helped each other speaking Spanish too.

They had one of the nicest times ever. They brought my mom back a beautiful gift. Buenisima. A woven blanket but keeps it as a wall decor instead. They brought us gifts. ♡

I'm so nervous. lol.

Everyone was very friendly and they had such a good time !! It was such a blessing I felt, along with being able to hear about their wonderful mission and opportunity. ♡
 

Audiobook

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This was funny, where are you from?


Brazil and Paraguay have different borders, one of them is fucking dangerous, different cartels are fighting for power. Paraguay is a paradise, there is no police, no laws, one can gamble, lot of high quality drugs, prostitutes, very cheap place. Highly recommended for tourism. It is a place to buy things as well (without taxes), electronics, cigarettes, alcohol, guns.

Seriously, one can get a lot of fun in Paraguay.
Thank you for answering. My parents are from there but I didn’t wanna ask my Mom about drugs there lol.
 

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Is it possible to buy ethically sourced cocaine?

I knew a yuppie lawyer in Sydney who swore his coke was 100 percent ethically sourced and wasn't drenched in blood because it was trafficked by Argentines.


Every Latin American I have met tells me that if those in the West who party on the drug knew how many lives were lost due to cocaine trafficking by cartels in Mexico they'd Think twice about buying it.



Kinda turns me off all the killing of innocent central American's and South Americans'.
 

the_void

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I posted a reply to this yesterday but never got the chance to complete the post so deleted it. Let's try again!

Sounds like a typical lawyer to me! Probably a good one too at that too i.e. of the "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" variety! 🤣

Below are some interesting links that'll shed light on the topic (one slightly dated and although I'd like to say that things have changed there's more recent articles that indicate otherwise). Obviously they're not exhaustive though i.e. there's been studies done and books written over decades on the subject of Cocaine and politics.

And in spite of the proposed initiative, of last year, whereby the Colombian Government would legalize Coca farming and buy up all that's produced: I think they're fooling themselves into thinking that's going to solve all of the problems associated with Cocaine production. Only way that's going to happen is if they by some miracle find a way to coexist. And I don't see that happening i.e. all that will happen is there'll end up being a bidding war between the government and the Cocaine producers (and that's at best case i.e. worse case the farmers will be threatened if they sell to the government). And of course this will change nothing in Bolivia and Peru (although there doesn't seem to be too many issues really i.e. not so far as I can tell anyway).

Based on some rather intensive research of late though: I can tell you that there are only two "innocents" involved in this business i.e. the farmers (which would include those around them of course and civilians caught in the crossfire) and the end users and, ironically, both groups are the ones getting fucked. As far as the farmers are concerned: if you do your research you'll find that there is a huge disconnect between the cost of Coca Leaf (in various forms) and end product (at retail prices and from online vendors anyway). I've found numerous vendors selling both. Best I've found is Coca Leaf selling at about 60% of the cost of the end product per kg. Worst I've found is Coca Leaf selling for 10% more than the end product per kg. There's something wrong with this. Slowly but surely I'm getting to the bottom of this though. As for the end users: well that's an obvious one i.e. shelling out fortunes for stuff that is cut to absolute shit. Anyway. Anybody that falls between those two groups I'd hardly call "innocent". It's not exactly a safe and secure career choice (anywhere in the chain). So you take what comes your way if/when it does.

Personal opinion though: there's double standards applied insofar as ethics are concerned when it comes to Cocaine vs. other drugs that follow a similar production and supply chain. Not that I've done in-depth research on this as it's not my field of interest or expertise i.e. opinion based purely on anecdotal evidence.

Links below as indicated above (the last three just cherry picked from one site for the purposes of this thread but the site includes links to many other articles on the topic).





And if you're real interested in the topic here's a new book (2020) which also covers the topic adequately:

Thanks so much dude. I’ve added “kilo” on my to read list on my goodreads account .
 
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