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Bupe Doctor wants me off suboxone fast...

zagor

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I have been taking it for couple of years and recently went down from 12 to 6 mg (2 mg down every week) but when I tried to go from 6 to 4 mg the withdrawal effects started getting bad so I keep using 6mg daily.

The main reasons I take it is depression and akathisia.

So my bile duct has been swollen and little inflamed for several months. For the last 3 weeks I have severe abdominal pain and ended up in ER 3x.

They did endoscopic ultrasound and confirmed the bile duct issue (but bastards refused endoscopy because Canadian "free" health care is shit) and they found gallstones.

So they say there's 50% chance the pain and bloating is caused by gallstones and 50% chance by bile duct.

But what is causing bile duct to be inflated and painful? They say it could be suboxone and want me to quit in 4 weeks.

I just took my sub and it DID bloat my stomach and caused more pain. Even though just 2 months ago I was on 12 mg with no problems. But pain/bloating happens from most food and liquid too. About 3 months ago I had just 1 small sip of whisky and my upper stomach looked like a 9 month pregnant womans.

Anyway, what is the best approach to quit suboxone in short time as possible?

Thanks
 
Please take care of yourself! This sounds rather serious and suboxone is honestly the least of your problems depending on what the cause of these symptoms are. You can do a fast taper.. regardless you've been on it for quite some time so I won't lie to you--it's going to suck. It actually might suck more than the sentence can describe lol. Either way, I think it will definitely help to save some strips/suboxone pills (whatever you intake) in case the withdrawal does happen to become literally unbearable.

Some say bupe is easy to get off of while others complain about it like suboxone is satan himself. There is definitely some personal history of use and metabolism factors from individual to individual that determines how bad suboxone detox will be. I find it to be physically difficult but comparatively to oxycodone withdrawal the mental aspect is a walk in the park. I did notice some depression but not much--and in the peak of oxycodone withdrawal you don't even have to think about if you're depressed or not. You literally just want to die lol. See how it goes and try to save some subs in case you really need it :) I would rather detox cold turkey off of high dose suboxone for a decade than go through heroin withdrawal. Any day any year. Heroin withdrawal looks like the user is literally going to die any second now. They seem to think they're about to die any second too.
 
For me at least suboxone was more of a mindfuck kind of withdrawal. Of course it was also physical, but depression and anhedonia came on strong and lasted months. To the OP I found sub relatively easy to taper and actually found very low dose bupe (less than 1mg) to have an energetic almost kind of high type feeling. Id reduce by 1mg every week or so until you get to 2mg, then go down .5 a week. Good luck
 
It doesn't sound as a liver failure. Depression, anhedonia, restlessness, irritability and depersonalization are getting real bad the lower I get. I am on 5 mg now.

I did save myself pills few months worth. Niacin is helping a bit with withdrawal. Will see how it goes.
 
6mg to nothing is going to be brutal withdrawals. You have 4 weeks... use them to taper.
 
Suboxone has really nasty GI effects. Has really nasty side effects all together. (2mg 2-3 times a day) for 4/5 days in a row I had constipation equivalent to 80mg of methadone and IVing heroin on top. Perhaps it was the constant use.

If you use suboxone for depression, you may want to look into methadone. And you have pain. Perhaps to "try something else" if coming off this bupe detox don't work. Unlikely the cause of your issues, aside maybe how bad it effects the GI tract. As methadone at lower doses really does not constipate you. Also a full agonist so you feel better.

Not trying to be a methadone pusher, but cannot see someone being put through an opiate withdrawal while facing health issues. And not going to kill you if you try it for a month or so (also easy to taper from as can drop in small increments). Good luck.
 
Or why not try another pain pill instead?

Not sure of your history, or if its the same doctor treating you with the bupe / health issues, or what the reasoning for him wanting you off bupe is. But in any case you don't want to resort to street drugs if that is where you came from.
 
Or why not try another pain pill instead?

Not sure of your history, or if its the same doctor treating you with the bupe / health issues, or what the reasoning for him wanting you off bupe is. But in any case you don't want to resort to street drugs if that is where you came from.
I have bile duct issues and they thing bupe is causing or making it worse. I have a lot of pills saved to go through withdrawal though.

I cannot take pain killers because when I first switched from oxy to bupe in 2017, oxy, or any other opioid never worked for me again. IDK why. I can't resort to street drugs either, they don't work.

My belly is huge and today I had bad pain in that area. When I take bupe, it gets bigger.

I thought about methadone but a) they wouldn't give it to me for depression. b) I am hoping to get clean and I don't know if subs help my depression and c) methadone you have to go every day to the pharmacy. With my sleeping disorder it would be hard.

I've had constipation since 2014 when I started oxy but my real problem is bile duct. And it is hard to see a GI specialist because of the PLANdemic.

Its a really difficult time for me. My dad had bad cancer. My brother is mentally and neurologically crushed since quitting amps. My already bad mental health is deteriorating as I get lower on my dexedrine and suboxone. The PLANdemic is making everything much more worse and a long winter ahead promises nothing good. I think Im a lost cause.
 
No you are being silly. Not a lost cause.

Nothing works on top of bupe is why. You would need to be clean for a bit from bupe to feel anything. Perhaps weeks.

You have constipation from the bupe? And you think this is causing bile duct issues?

Methadone at a low dose doesn't give constipation. Bupe gave me horrible constipation. It gave me all kinds of weird pains honestly. It's probably good they want you off.

Just tell the clinic you are taking all kinds of street drugs and try methadone. It may solve your issues and has better pain killing also. Fuck your sleep. We all cannot sleep.

As least have it as a backup plan as I don't think an opiate withdrawal right now is a good idea.

Have you tried 3/4 days off until you have the shits and does this improve the pain?

Good luck man.
 
I have been taking it for couple of years and recently went down from 12 to 6 mg (2 mg down every week) but when I tried to go from 6 to 4 mg the withdrawal effects started getting bad so I keep using 6mg daily.

The main reasons I take it is depression and akathisia.

So my bile duct has been swollen and little inflamed for several months. For the last 3 weeks I have severe abdominal pain and ended up in ER 3x.

They did endoscopic ultrasound and confirmed the bile duct issue (but bastards refused endoscopy because Canadian "free" health care is shit) and they found gallstones.

So they say there's 50% chance the pain and bloating is caused by gallstones and 50% chance by bile duct.

But what is causing bile duct to be inflated and painful? They say it could be suboxone and want me to quit in 4 weeks.

I just took my sub and it DID bloat my stomach and caused more pain. Even though just 2 months ago I was on 12 mg with no problems. But pain/bloating happens from most food and liquid too. About 3 months ago I had just 1 small sip of whisky and my upper stomach looked like a 9 month pregnant womans.

Anyway, what is the best approach to quit suboxone in short time as possible?

Thanks
Gallstones are excruciating pain! I watched my wife when she had it and they put her on a morphine drip which she could control her own PLUS what i brought her. Still really bad.
And they fuck around cause of BUPE by you?!!
I wish you all luck and God help you. You are hardcore my friend. Damn Docs....
 
No you are being silly. Not a lost cause.

Nothing works on top of bupe is why. You would need to be clean for a bit from bupe to feel anything. Perhaps weeks.

You have constipation from the bupe? And you think this is causing bile duct issues?

Methadone at a low dose doesn't give constipation. Bupe gave me horrible constipation. It gave me all kinds of weird pains honestly. It's probably good they want you off.

Just tell the clinic you are taking all kinds of street drugs and try methadone. It may solve your issues and has better pain killing also. Fuck your sleep. We all cannot sleep.

As least have it as a backup plan as I don't think an opiate withdrawal right now is a good idea.

Have you tried 3/4 days off until you have the shits and does this improve the pain?

Good luck man.
3/4 days off? I can barely go 1 day without it. Restlessness and akathisia would get real bad. I took oxy for a year after being on bupe first time and it never worked. The bupe had screwed something in my brain so I can't feel pleasure from opioids nor pain relief. I only read about 1 person that happend to as well. Only 1 plus myself. So it is a rare thing. I bet I will never feel opioids again. Maybe that's better. If I felt it I would surely (ab)use it because of my depression and where would it lead me?

But maybe methadone will work. Is methadone a full opiate? Is it hard to switch from it to sub? Does it help for depression and if it does is it reccomended or is it the same if you use other opioids (feeling like shit once you quit)
 
Yes. It does everything and then some for depression, and pain. Bupe (at least the fucking strips) did something weird to me too. I would never be putting people on this shit if I were a doctor.

You are gonna take methadone right on top of the bupe. And discontinue the bupe that day. Its going to take a week or two to stabilize, but you will. Its impossible for bupe to have damaged your brain for life. As it fades out and the methadone dose (same dose daily, same time) builds up in you, it will take over. You won't need a high dose. 30-50mg max. Just let it build up as it takes a couple weeks.

If you cannot go 1 day without bupe, then an opiate withdrawal is not the answer right now. Also the added pain issues are another issue.

You will feel opiates once the bupe comes out, but once that soul numbing shit is locked in you, it takes a few. Its a very bad drug with its antagonist effects to take daily. Methadone is tried and proven. The best full agonist / painkiller out. You can take opiates on top too if needed.

Yes, methadone has a dependency. You have an opiate dependency. But if you are going to have one, might as well make it worth it and feel good with less side issues. And then you can come down slow if you choose.
 
One year on high dose of oxycodone after beeing on suboxone and the oxy never worked again. So it is permanent.
 
I actually experienced suboxone withdrawal pretty recently.. it's actually quite disturbing.

The first two or three days it's so more than manageable. The peak is too delayed. Regardless--I assume you'll need pain medication later. You won't be suffering for long if so and by the time the peak hits you'll probably be needing to feel opioids for some sort of surgery/procedure. I trust your doctor actually... he seems to know what he's doing.
 
They have tpradol for pain after surgery. In some cases ketamine. Because opioids do not work for me.

And they can kiss my ass if they think I'm gonna get off sub so quickly. Im still on 4 mg and I am going down now by .25mg every 10 days. I have enough pills to last me 2 years at this dose. They don't care about my mental health and I don't wanna suffer just because they THINK it is bupe causing these issues.

I am also weaning off a stimulant which is makingmy pre-existing depression way worse. Depesonalizatin is soooo bad. Luckily they have mushrooms to order online in micro dosing they claim helps for depression I gotta try it but I fear getting a trip.

Also they want me to start TMS therapy but IDK whats the point they say if it helps it lasts about 6 months.
 
I still don't understand, what does taking bupe have to do with your bile duct?

I would find a new doctor personally. If they think its because its binding you up, there are 100 other things you can try. Stool softeners, laxative (dont take for long), diet, or simply live off nutribullets for a week until you are shitting water.

Bupe does bind me up more than any other opiate as I mentioned, unlikely that flake of a doc would know, though.

I still say you are wrong regarding the opiates, though :p Bupe is an opiate. So how is bupe working? It would be physically impossible unless bupe has bound to your receptors forever. (not possible). In which case you have a 1 of a kind bupe. Half life = 20 years.

Jacking up your tolerance? Yes. Hanging onto the receptor for some weeks? Yes. Forever...impossible. When I came off it, withdrawaled for some days. Took some methadone and didn't feel shit. Took about a week and finally felt something. Unfortunately a massive dose of narcan came a week later so have really yet to stabilize. It does do something strange to you for sure. Wonder if thats the secret behind those implants. Drip an antagonist into this guy for some time. And even when it comes out you won't feel anything for a bit.

In any case, you have plenty subs. No need to torture yourself for no reason.
 
They have tpradol for pain after surgery. In some cases ketamine. Because opioids do not work for me.

And they can kiss my ass if they think I'm gonna get off sub so quickly. Im still on 4 mg and I am going down now by .25mg every 10 days. I have enough pills to last me 2 years at this dose. They don't care about my mental health and I don't wanna suffer just because they THINK it is bupe causing these issues.

I am also weaning off a stimulant which is makingmy pre-existing depression way worse. Depesonalizatin is soooo bad. Luckily they have mushrooms to order online in micro dosing they claim helps for depression I gotta try it but I fear getting a trip.

Also they want me to start TMS therapy but IDK whats the point they say if it helps it lasts about 6 months.

Ah ok. It's hard to tell what your situation is and it's not something that's not really our business per say lol. It is weird that they want you off suboxone suddenly like that?

Statistically--we know what happens when people stop taking suboxone out of the blue. I actually think that some people really benefit from being tapered down to a really low dose and then just never coming off it. It is a viable way to break free from opiate dependency and I've seen it work for people. Not that being on suboxone forever is a good game plan but objectively I don't see anything wrong with it yet or mental health issues from low doses for extended periods of time.

We're all going through some weird mental health things atm so it's easy to make random rash decisions. Just gauge how you feel with whatever is going on.
 
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