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Day 4 quitting weed. This is real life hell right now.

silverfucked

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Oh i definitely believe in porn addiction, but for the most part I thnk masturbation and porn are great things, unless you are neglecting your S/o, job, or spending a bunch of money, or looking at some really dark shit..and I have no doubt that OP is incredibly addicted to weed..The comments I made were real advice, its what I did quitting opiates, and then later quitting booze.

I'm not saying OP isnt suffering, I'm just saying its difficult to relate. Coming off methadone was one of the most traumatic experiences of my life.

Regardless, I dont want to derail the post any further.

So, when coming off any drug: Force yourself outside..Try and do some sort of exercise every day...Try and eat, esp protein..Take a multi every day..All these things are going to create a nourishing environment for your brain t rapidly recover..Melatonin works amazing..I'd be lying if I said I didnt also use beer wuite a bit to get thru, but in the long run this is only gonna make it worse..

And I'm serious..Jerk off alot. Itll give you that endorphin rush your brain is missing.
 
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pally pete

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After over 13 years of daily smoking I quit cold turkey; experienced some insomnia for a few nights - a week at the most. Then I began to sleep again (And DREAM!!!! :O ) but the sleep never felt as deep as when I was a stoner Apart from that the only positive effects I felt were wakefulness/increased alertness during day time hours which most definitely benefited me. Maybe slightly better short-term memory? Possible slightly more sociable with family members.
 

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And I'm serious..Jerk off alot. Itll give you that endorphin rush your brain is missing.
I remember coming off heroin and learning to enjoy masturbation again. It was pretty fabulous.

For a pot addiction however, I just don't see it. In all honesty masturbation is way more fun on pot than sober. It's a typical stoner activity that would only remind me of what I'm missing.

I agree with everything else you said though.
 

bbad

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I was in your situation and doctors and shrinks failed 100% totsally ignored it. They failed in their professions at thgose times.

on the internet canna-heros would even suggest cannabis cured dead people. of course you wont find any references to that claim because nobody has probobly asked if cannabis could cure their dead friend. Im sure they suggest a Indica to wake em up. This paragraph will be first internet reference that cannabis can cure dead people. Cool!

I believe what you are saying is true. Your experience is valid and true and i do not doubt your experince for cannapolitics. internet is a hard place to find good support.

look for a real world support group and go for it... and do yourself a favor dont do any more drugs because its great to stop now

have a look a look at your previous responses and now you'll see the people that are listening to your concerns and see the fickleness internet cannapolitical white knights that are more interested in their agenda than your concerns.
 

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have a look a look at your previous responses and now you'll see the people that are listening to your concerns and see the fickleness internet cannapolitical white knights that are more interested in their agenda than your concerns.
I wouldn't say anyone has an agenda in this thread. Pot addiction is a very controversial subject that many choose not to believe in, especially when compared to others drug addictions commonly found on this forum, it's easy for the junkie to laugh at the problems of a pot head.

Honestly, this problem was 20 times worse just a few years ago right here on BL. Now that pot is legal in some states and basically mainstream, all these hot headed junkies are finally shutting the fuck up lol.
 

bbad

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I wouldn't say anyone has an agenda in this thread. Pot addiction is a very controversial subject that many choose not to believe in, especially when compared to others drug addictions commonly found on this forum, it's easy for the junkie to laugh at the problems of a pot head.


Yes. Pot addiction is a very controversial subject but only because of a legalization agenda. Its always been a shit place for people that need help with their cannabis usage problems, for other reason than keeping it in the dark for some reason. Even food addiction gets more respect.

The best of your response is the that other harder drug users would laugh at pothead problems.. I use methamphetamine every 3 weeks for a few years and I've suffered the epitome of human suffering so you just failed hard. I don't laugh or question the suffers authenticity of their cannabis addiction because I've suffered it. I think methamphetamine community people are the most supportive of their own addicts addictions.

I've actually never seen any drug community shit on its own members with its own addicts like the cannabis community does as a collective.

The dude just needs to be outside the cannabis community there are support groups. Worst place for a cannabis addict is is the cannabis community. Small groups in a room its a better place then have to debate your reality - even for me, to be denied my cannabis use addiction by a doctor.... for fucks sake??

PS i live in Australia where driving a car on cannabis even after 12 hours or even longer can get you a drug driving charge and lost license and next door its medical marijuana. Id quit cannabis the day it becomes legal in Australia.
 

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After many hours searching Google, and posting on the regular weed forums, I am here. I'm here because I am 4 days into quitting cannabis and I feel like complete crap. I've posted this on the other forums and I get laughed at as if it's all in my head. Or I'm told these problems were always present and the weed was masking them. It's as if people are ignorant and believe Cannabis can't cause these symptoms.

A bit of background. I started smoking Cannabis about 2 years ago on a daily basis. Previous to that I was smoking every now and then, about 4 times a month. I've taken T breaks many times and the same symptoms happen. Every time they are nasty and horrible. I use a vapourizer, I don't use tobacco. I smoke between 0.4g - 1g a day. Not a lot compared to some. It wasn't always this way, around September time I stopped smoking joints and cut down a lot. I used to smoke about 3g a day back then. Since I got my vape my tolerance dropped and I was able to get high on much less weed.

I stopped smoking Sunday. I wasn't that bad on Sunday to be honest. Pretty normal. Here's how it went:


  • Sunday: I wasn't too bad. I felt pretty normal. A little anxiety but nothing major.
  • Monday: Woke up with stomach pain and nausea. A bath helped. Felt pretty low and crappy all day. Didn't eat much at all my appetite was gone. Unusual for me because I love food. I struggled to sleep that night, kept going hot and cold and sweating like crazy in bed. Slept with the window open even though my parnter said she was freezing.
  • Tuesday: Same as yesterday, but increased symptoms. I started to get snappy over things. Increased arguments. Everything is pissing me off. Nausea was bad towards evening. I had 2 baths that day to help things and a hot water bottle on my stomach most of the night. Didn't really eat much at all. A few bites of food. At 1am I ordered a takeaway because I knew I had to eat, so I forced food down me. Tasted like crap. An hour after eating I had intense nausea and was awake till 4am until I finally fell asleep.
  • Wednesday: Woke up at 8am. 4 hours sleep. Didn't feel too bad, but the nausea was there again. As the day progressed I started getting really bad. Worse than any of the other days. Told my partner to just leave me alone in the bedroom so I can try feel normal. And here I am. Aggitation today is beyond anything I've had before. It feels like I'm in the center of a busy shopping mall and everyone is talking at once. I can't focus my ears or my eyes properly. Sturggling to type this. I tried to eat food, and put half of it into the oven.

Right now I can not even explain how I am feeling. My head feels like a constant buzzing feeling, I just want to get my cheap bongs I bought at
herbtools back out. Similar to what happens when you stop benzo's (doctors had me on these before, and then ripped me off them without tapering). I feel like I could run for miles, just to get my cheap bongs, yet at the same time the lack of sleep has me feeling shattered. I am so irritable and aggitated that I've had many stupid arguments with my partner today. It's like I can't help myself. I snap at stupid stuff. It's as if my brain is working overtime, yet I'm just chilling. Very hard to describe.

I ended up slapping myself in the face a few times to snap out of it because I really do not want to be in this position right now. I feel like a complete idiot! And that's that. I've probably left a lot out, I can't focus right. My eyes want sleep, but I am holding out until a bit later otherwise I'll wake up at 3am wide awake.

I have bad gas, bad stomach, things in that department smell awful! I tried to do my normal pullup routine at home and my whole body feels like lead. Typing this is helping a little now I'm getting towards the end of my post. I'm feeling slightly calmer acutally.

I do suffer with a little anxiety, but I will make it known that this isn't anxiety. Sure I have anxiety, but that's being caused by me telling myself "This isn't normal I think I am going to die". Pathetic I know. I would go for a walk but I'm too paranoid to go outside right now.

I just want people to know this experience is very real for me, and I wish it was all in my head. I wish I wasn't going through this. I wish I was making it all up. The feelings honestly do feel similar to benzo withdrawl at times when I'm at my peak. Thankfully the peak doesn't last that long. I have a feeling seratonin is playing some part in this as I may have an imbalance anyway due to being prone to anxiety/depression.

I've asked everywhere for the scientific reason as to why this is happening and nobody knows. CHS sites all say the same thing but no reason why it's happening. I am glad I have my hot water bottle.

I feel like I never want to touch weed again after this. I've been here before. I've said the same thing before. And here I am again.

Sorry for the long post. I had to vent somewhere, and after reading many posts in this forum I feel people here understand this is something real that happens when quitting Cannabis.

Thanks for reading
:)

For me the hardest thing was not being able to sleep, at all. It does pass but it takes time, exercise will make it so much easier.
 

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Yes. Pot addiction is a very controversial subject but only because of a legalization agenda. Its always been a shit place for people that need help with their cannabis usage problems, for other reason than keeping it in the dark for some reason. Even food addiction gets more respect.

The best of your response is the that other harder drug users would laugh at pothead problems.. I use methamphetamine every 3 weeks for a few years and I've suffered the epitome of human suffering so you just failed hard. I don't laugh or question the suffers authenticity of their cannabis addiction because I've suffered it. I think methamphetamine community people are the most supportive of their own addicts addictions.

I've actually never seen any drug community shit on its own members with its own addicts like the cannabis community does as a collective.

The dude just needs to be outside the cannabis community there are support groups. Worst place for a cannabis addict is is the cannabis community. Small groups in a room its a better place then have to debate your reality - even for me, to be denied my cannabis use addiction by a doctor.... for fucks sake??

PS i live in Australia where driving a car on cannabis even after 12 hours or even longer can get you a drug driving charge and lost license and next door its medical marijuana. Id quit cannabis the day it becomes legal in Australia.
Step outside CD and you will see BL has a wonderful accepting Sober Community. Sober Living is fairly new and largely exist because of this type of bullshit you are spouting right now

Get over yourself. You smoking meth doesn't make you any bigger of a drug addict.


In case anyone else is too blind to find it:
http://bluelight.org/vb/forums/268-Recovery-Support
 
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bbad

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it's easy for the junkie to laugh at the problems of a pot head.

You were talking about bigger drug addiction sufferers laughing at the problems of a pothead. I think meth is pretty full on and i dont laugh at potheads. I know their experience. Now your really claiming meth addiction isn't big enough for me to laugh at the problems of a pothead. Meth is like the granddaddy of addiction, destruction and suffering. You might be watching too much breaking bad.

Cheap shot of you to bring sober living into it. But good recovery to post a link... if even to keep the addicts out of the problem free pot lifestyle. SL section protects the pot addict from people like you. And blue-light isn't an entire cannabis community so don't bring them into it. I still suggest outside the internet groups for the OP

Im ending this conversation with you and claim no win or loss.
 

bbad

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That's just like your opinion, man.

I cannot belive you wrote that.

I will not be showing other meth fourms or drugs forums your post. Nowhere on the internet. That would be childish of me and would only make an example of you for my own gain.

Probobly the worst thing ive read ever on meth and you have to change your whole atitude. Thats post shows either ignorance or some kind of evil.

We had a flame war but you did something very irresponsible to a whole world of people from front line police, medical communities, users and affected families.

Your biggest disserve was to the sober living forums but i wont post it there.

This conversation is over you so not owe me an apology.

Rather than report this and have you banned or post blocked i will finalize with is last statement.

Your a dangerous person with that attitude and flame wars are a waste of time. So you got me there. I took the time to engage a flame war.

But your comment there brought out a side of you i never even expected. Im leaving the site but only cos of the shock of this.

Youve got a resposibility to yourself to this. Dont be ever saying stuff like that. The sober and recovery forums wont be notified either. Theyd share my opinions.

Any mods or other readers i would apreciate if you could not engage further or lock the thread.

Apologisies to the original poster of the thread im sorry the flameware hijacked the end of your thread. I hope you are going well and getting the support you need.
 

Dracarys

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That's just like your opinion, man.

Why make a pissing contest out of addiction-related suffering? There's Always some other substance that is more addictive or harder to quit, like GHB, wich is even worse than meth or opiates. You could say that a nicotine addiction is nothing compared to say, heroïn addiction. But look at how much people are dying each day, because they just can't quit the stuff.
 

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Apologisies to the original poster of the thread im sorry the flameware hijacked the end of your thread. I hope you are going well and getting the support you need.
It's too late to apologize.

Why make a pissing contest out of addiction-related suffering?
Because it's about the OP. Not you. Not heroin. not meth. Not GHB.

IT's about pot.

That's why
 

silverfucked

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I am surprised that the OP poster is having such a strong somatic response..I firmly believe that if you alter you chemistry in anyway for long periods of time, there will always be and equal and opposite reaction when you stop..But I didnt realise that weed cessation could give you some of these symptoms..But thats prob cuz it takes me two months to vape a gram of wax..
 

bbad

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Im checking to see what ocurred and not feeling guilty about saying i was leaving because of yoir statement of leaving because of your horrendous comment that made me say i would leave.

Two extra lessons here:

It's too late to apologize.

Its only too late to apologize when the person you wish to apologize to has died. While this particular situation is not as serious everybody that reads this statement should know that when you havent apologized to somebody such as a loved one and they die you will carry some regrets. So the lesson to be learned here is that its never too late untill they die.

Apologies are not just about saying sorry to your target it also two sided- an apology is an act to forgive yourself as well. The ealier the better you apologize the better but when your receipent dies - eg mums and dads you disocover that apologies are a two way street and a peraon of character has to live with the guilt of not apologizing. To resolve guilt that you are left with when you miss that opportunity after they die is to accept your missed oportunities and you have to forgive yourself.

So the lesson is that anybody reading this that feels guilt to someone and they know that an apology is due but they have not given, is that apologies are a two way street.

If you are serious in your apology it is important to know that if your forgiveness is not accepted even in its sincerity that you have completed your own part of the apology.

Forgiveness cannot be forced by an apology. You can hope they can let go of what you have done but its out of your control.

But if anybody reading this knows an apology is due to a loved one you are giving an opportunity for someone you hurt to forgive you but if they dont it is up to them. You can only hope that forgiveness results in your apology.

When they die and you lose your own part of the process of apologising its very very difficult to forgive yourself because the person thats died is dead and apologies and forgiveness work together.

Dont lose the oportunity to apologize to somebody for your wrongs even if your apology is not accepted even in sincerity. Never let the oprtunity turn into a regret.

This is for readers. Never to late to apologize until somebody has died.

IT's about pot
Thats why

The issue is not about pot its about the OPs truth to his experience. His authenticty to his experiwnce regardless of the politics of cannabis.
 

Dracarys

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It's too late to apologize.


Because it's about the OP. Not you. Not heroin. not meth. Not GHB.

IT's about pot.

That's why

Well, the point is..we actually seem to agree that pot addiction is a serious enough issue and that it makes no sense to ridiculise it. Especially if in a thread like this, people share their experiences, and many of them realy have a hard time dealing with it.
So then, making a pissing contest out of it, is sort of contradicting the points you made earlier.
It looks like you're not taking it seriously.
 

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Day 8 quitting oxy. Although I am not technically quitting, just tapering to a much, much lower dose. It has been torture, but I know what you mean about pot. Took me 6 months to get over it one time. I get weed withdrawals that are disrupting - absolutely - I've been smoking for over a decade with a 3 year break in there and usage at all different frequencies, so I can totally tell when it's an effect of the weed or when it is my mental illness. If you are not mentally ill, usually the effects are insomnia, cravings, nausea, mild depression/anxiety, general malaise, anger/difficulty controlling emotions, and appetite suppression that lasts for a week and subsides in a couple more. That would be for very heavy smokers who are susceptible to it. You would probably have to be smoking bong rips all day and/or dabbing.

When I went through it, eventually I realized that I wasn't going to get better in some respects. That led to some realizations. Maybe I felt so bad off weed because there was something wrong to begin with and I had been stoned for so long it slipped by undetected since the weed could help suppress anything like that. When I started smoking again, things have been different and I can handle it fine now, don't feel as bad without it anymore since my pain is treated.
 

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Update to the thread. I've had no Internet for a week so I've not been active. I had friends come around and I smoked some weed. I fell back into smoking of a night time until my half ounce was gone. Gave some to friends to take home.

The weed has gone now, and I'm back to "quitting". All is good this time around. Not had any problems really except not being able to sleep. I fill that void with blogging and programming.

I've opted to smoke of a weekend. I do like weed. What I don't want to go back to is daily use. My head feels so clear it's unreal. When I started smoking weed it really helped me to hyperfocus. I remember learning about Markov Chains and being baffled. I smoked some weed and it became easy to understand. Shit just clicked into place. But after prolonged used I sort of became more stupid. I'd forget what I learn very quickly. It affected my work.

There's definitely a middle ground. I think I've found it. Or maybe this is denial. Either way it's a step in the positive direction.

Many thanks to all that offered genuine advice and support. It is much appreciated!

No, this is exactly what many people feel about marijuana. I go through similar cycles.

I've also had experiences like what you describe in your original post, and I have to wonder if protracted benzo withdrawal could have something to do with it. I feel like benzo withdrawal leaves the body permanently more susceptible to stress, and when you combine that with the anxiety and stress on the body of smoking too often, it can be possible to slip into a deteriorated mood such as what you've described. I think it could also have to do with allergens, seasonal shifts, and other changes in your environment that can add to the stress. Essentially, my theory is that it is not coincidence that this state feels like benzo withdrawal due to the stress of marijuana withdrawal, potentially in combination with other stressors, triggering a resurgence of symptoms.
 
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