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Conspiracy Theories 2019

JGrimez

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??? What do you find weird about it? She's a woman and women are statistically very unlikely to abuse children pathologically like men do. I'm kind of confused about the implications here?

Is that where Hillary Blanco gets on her VPN and orders hit jobs? LOL

Sorry man I just can't comprehend the way you see things and I am trying but I'm not familiar with the.... not so much rhetoric but story that you spin (and again I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm trying to just absorb perspectives/opinions/ideas and see what others are thinking about these bizarre occurrences).
WHY IS SHE EVEN VISITING AN ISLAND THAT HAS A WEIRD TEMPLE AND IS A PLACE FOR UNDERAGE SEX ORGIES?? IS SHE GOING FOR COCONUTS AND PINEAPPLES??? If Trump went there you'd be drawing up speculative blueprints based on every alleged, depraved act that Trump committed. And women of course can are are often pedophiles. I'm not saying Hillary is but "women are rarely pedophiles" is some nonsense claptrap.
 

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I love how you used the words “weird temple”, it reminds me of the sentiments the liberal media reported on his private island. Similar language.

Maybe she went for a business meeting. Or maybe Epstein was also selling Hillary heroin. I don’t care.

There’s no time machine to go find out. Perhaps Hillary will shed some light on this and you can accuse her of a cover up or lying or whatever.
BTW there are many reports of Hillary sexing with women and even young girls. Allegedly she has a thing for young Turkish girls.
 

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What makes them sick fucks? What drugs or dirty things do they like to do in the bedroom? Do tell.
The coded messages in their emails the 27 visits on epsteins jet. Bill and Hillary are both pedophiles. The spirit cooking strange rituals the clintons do. boheiman groove along with the bushes. All these elites are deranged sick fucks who cover each other.
 

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The coded messages in their emails the 27 visits on epsteins jet. Bill and Hillary are both pedophiles. The spirit cooking strange rituals the clintons do. boheiman groove along with the bushes. All these elites are deranged sick fucks who cover each other.
Spirit cooking? You mean mixing menstrual blood, semen and breast milk into wall paint then ritualisticly cutting one's finger and drinking the blood? That's not weird at all. Totally normal that Podesta attends these "dinners" (see Wikileaks)

100% agree Epstein was hit,but only heard rumors Hillary a lesbian.If true, who cares her as long as they are overage and consenting.
I don't care if she's a lesbian (apart from her hypocritically being against gay marriage until recently) but I fear she's into underage children and worse. Check out what Cathy Is O'Brien said about her.
 

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No bro, even if some of us may not believe it, I think it's a valid perception of the events at hand. It's quite possible he was murdered, either to stay silent, or out of retribution for media connecting Epstein's crimes loosely to big names like Trump or Clinton (if I was any member of either family I wouldn't want that shit connected to my name in the slightest, I'm sure). So I'm not going to call you crazy for believing this. It's a valid interpretation.

Conspiracy theories need inexplicable, improbable explanations/events to be labeled as such; everything you described here *could very well be* a staged suicide and actually a homicide (lol RIP Jamal; quick, let's get a time machine and save Jerry Epstein and Jamal Kashoggi! AND BAN GUNS LOL THEY BOTH DIED OF GUN VIOLENCE not)

I know you'll like that last joke ;)
Jamal Khashoggi had deep state ties and was probably some kind of CIA spy/informant. That's why outlets like WashPo and Western MSM were so obsessed about his death.
If you play with matches you might get burned.

And it's funny how the tables have turned - it's actually a "conspiracy theory" to believe the official story on Epstein. Occam's Razor says he was murdered.
Someone was very desperate to silence him.
 

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If you can't make that connection I am very sorry. The sanctions we pass on Russia are jokes compared to what we should be doing (not war but building bases around RF's borders in allied countries, beefing up defenses in allied countries). (In before someone shows me a map of all of them we have like the Iran map someone posted).

Then again if Trump was anything BUT weak on Russia... he'd probably be dead from Uranium tea. :\
Got any evidence? No. Not even the highest law enforcement agency in the land couldn't find evidence, so I don't expect you to. This is what happens when the media repeat a lie over and over and over and over for years straight - people start accepting it as evident even though it's a baseless conspiracy theory. Trump weak on Russia? He sold weapons to Ukraine, Russia's current enemy... There are quite a few examples of foreign policy decisions made by Trump that go directly against Russia's interests. So no, go find some evidence and stop ignoring the facts the destroy your Russian Agent conspiracy theories, which is what they are.

Oh COME ON really you believe THAT?

Wow.

Nah I think he was just a journalist, dude. That would be an impossibly bad "cover story" if I ever heard of one being that bad... I'm sorry that's just too out there for me to even entertain.
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What's too much to entertain? Go read about Project Mockingbird. Just google "Amazon CIA contract". Amazon entered a massively lucrative deal with the CIA. Amazon owns the Washington Post.
See this is your problem - you don't even bother to do any proper research. Then when someone like myself comes along, who has bothered to look into deeper connections, you dismiss it. "The CIA would never hire foreign journalists as spies!! That's a conspiracy theory!!" That is literally not even difficult at all to accept as a possibility, y'know, because it actually happens.

How come the MSM didn't make a big hooplah about allegedly-murdered journalist Serena Shim? She was actually a US citizen. It's because she was exposing Western-backed fuckery in Syria. So that kinda proves that they don't actually give a fuck about journalists. I wouldn't be surprised if you've never even heard of her, and she should be a national hero and her death properly investigated. So you're willing to tell me that the American establishment actually cares about Khashoggi being killed because they love journalists so much? Give me a break. Their reaction was purely political. Stop taking the MSM at face value FFS, it's creating such a simplistic and false view of the world.
 

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Yeah I don't think he's a Russian agent either. You'd have to be brain dead to recruit Donald Trump as an intelligent agent, the man can't keep his mouth shut about anything.

Does anyone here think he's a Russian agent?
People changed their tune since the failure of the Mueller investigation didn't turn up any evidence. But I'm sure I can dig up some posts from that thread. Most people here were convinced that Trump was working for Putin. It was always a ridiculous accusation, but I understand why some people believed it, it was a state-sponsored conspiracy theory.

got any evidence? no.
Yeah I do. Someone who had dirt on a whole slew of elite-level pedophiles, managed to commit suicide in a place where suicide is virtually impossible (according to HuffPost) and then coincidentally the camera footage wasn't feeding through at the time. Doesn't take a Sherlock Holmes.

you're so convinced that you're right that you're unwilling or unable to see other possibilities. it's gloriously ironic but that irony is completely lost on you.
This rhetoric doesn't apply here. It's a really obvious one.

you must be confusing me with somebody else. i did not conclude trump was a russian agent (at any point).
You believed it even if you didn't explicitly state it. You argued with all of the factual evidence I was presenting and you consistently talked up the reputation of Robert Mueller, who I had proven time and time again was dodgy.
 

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leverage Russia has on him financially.
Any evidence? I don't believe there's anything tying him to the Russian government.

I firmly believe that we should be viewing Russia as a threat
So you should be extremely outraged by and know all about: the Uranium One scandal, and the producers of the Trump pee-pee dossier paying Russian officials for that bogus information (which was then used to subvert the US' secret surveillance courts). Oh and also a certain government official putting classified documents on an unsecured server, which was almost definitely hacked by the Russians.



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And it's not too big a leap of logic to think there is a good possibility that said Russians could apply leverage and use him as a pawn in interfering with foreign affairs... he is the president after all.
It's too big of a leap for you to continue to suggest this after the Mueller investigation. This went on for years and cost god knows how many millions. You now know everything of his ties. They would've compiled as much as possible. Nothing tying him to the Russian government, or any evidence that any policy decisions were influenced by Russians (Flynn got in trouble for lying about a phonecall while helping out the Israelis).

I firmly believe that we should be viewing Russia as a threat
As for Uranium One/DNC hacking, to me that's whataboutism.
You're exposing yourself. If you genuinely viewed Russia as a threat, you would be FAR more concerned about these scandals. But really Russia is only a threat when it's politically expedient to go after your domestic opponents. Let me remind you that Bill Clinton dined with Putin - at his house (OMG) - and received $500,000 for a speech in Russia from a bank that's directly connected to the Kremlin. Oh well no big deal. Imagine, just imagine if Trump did that...

Oh and I'm not talking about the DNC hack (where there was zero evidence it was Russians or even a hack). I'm talking about Hillary putting classified information and Special Access Program Intelligence on a bathroom server that was unsecured for 3 months, while she met with foreign officials. Russians no doubt obtained some of the US government's most sensitive files, worth billions. This was criminal negligence bordering on treason. Most people have no idea the details of this incident.
 

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I think a lot were waiting to see, and may have believed 'collusion' was possible (perhaps wished for it given their distrust of Trump), but I doubt the majority were 'convinced' that Trump was working for Putin. At the same time, they were willing to argue against Trump supporter's statements of his innocence, something easy to do when you don't like Trump, or his supporters, when his innocence can't be proven - you can't disprove a false allegation, all you can do is wait for evidence to arrive to support the allegation...and wait, and wait, and wait.
Adam Schiff said he had direct evidence! 17 intelligence agencies stated that Russians hacked the DNC. The mainstream media for over 2 years had bombshell after bombshell, running commentary of the walls closing in OF COURSE people were convinced that Trump was compromised by Russia. The majority of people that trust the establishment had to be convinced. Although I thought they would've learned their lesson after the media blatantly gaslighting the public back with Hillary 2016.

(perhaps wished for it given their distrust of Trump)
There was enough evidence even just on Fox News for people to realize what was going on. But those same people think Fox (or any other truthful online source) is fake news.
I agree with the wishful thinking. But that is plain stupid. Especially when someone is falsifying the wishes with evidence.

No you don't. There is a YUGE set of circumstantial evidence pointing to a hit, but no hard evidence of a crime committed
If it was an inside hit, you think a fair investigation will take place showing us all the evidence? I wouldn't count on it. We're going to have to use some logical reasoning for this one.

no video 😱, no witnesses :censored:...we have no evidence of a crime. Just a situation that screams that 'suicide' wasn't the reality.
No video - the cameras malfunctioned.
Let's speak to the guards - they were working overtime which led to them not following procedure - checking in every 30 mins,
One of the highest-profile criminal figures of this decade - who 2 weeks ago tried to kill himself - was taken OFF of suicide watch. Who made that decision?? Interview them on the news??
Additional procedure since he attempted suicide was to have an inmate with him. That inmate got transferred!
Autopsy? They said they need "further information". I thought the autopsy explains to us what happened?
Are they waiting for someone to give them the official story?

Don't we have a conspiracy thread for some of this stuff? While there is some conspiracy theory applicable to Epstein's death, the thread is about Epstein's death and not all around conspiracy stuff, no? Maybe I'm misunderstanding the thread given all the title changes that have been happening
Forgive me but I have to gloat a little. People have hid behind the "conspiracy" label for far too long when aiming to shut down threads of discussion that counter official mainstream reports. But this right here is where conspiracy meets reality (what's funny about this also is that one of the charges against Epstein was conspiracy). How can anyone not suspect foul play here?? Even if he wasn't murdered he was allowed to kill himself which is basically the same thing. In this case Occam's Razor works in favor of the "conspiracy theorists". And hey just in time, you might have seen that they're now classifying conspiracy theorists as domestic terrrorists. I guess anyone that doesn't buy this obvious BS is a danger to the establishment! "Believe what we say or you're a criminal"
 

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So I tried to find out more about this apparent camera malfunction. All I was able to determine is that it's very likely that this claim is entirely made up.
That's easy to disprove. Let's see them release some of the footage. Otherwise, why would they not release anything? Do they want dangerous conspiracy theories to proliferate? Someone could get hurt. Let's see the footage. They said there 9 cameras not pointing to the cell. Are they saying that there was no camera actually looking inside the cell? Is that believable?

I don't care. We should pay attention but this is a MAJOR distraction and there are MUCH more important things going on internationally. I didn't care so much that I tried to remain objective the entire way through this thread and have caught nothing but flack for it.
lol this is a distraction, is it? Epstein was the thread that could have unraveled the entire deep state. No big deal, Russian election interference much more pressing. Don't get distracted by this Epstein suicide and elite pedophile rings.

I'm not exposing myself of anything, you're trying to reason away my argument with "but Hillary". Fuck Hillary, she's a crook, I'm not saying she's not. I'm talking about Trump and this administration, not Hillary.
You claimed that you were super serious about the Russian threat. If that's true you would not have said "that's whataboutism", you would've said "Yes those scandals are extremely worrying considered there's evidence of Russian collusion there with US officials". But because it targets your preferred party, it's "whataboutism". "Whataboutism" is a made up term that is designed to deflect from hypocrisy. I'm sorry you did expose yourself. You lied when said you're very concerned about the Russian threat, what you should've said is that you only care about a Russian threat if it makes Trump look bad.

I didn't used to think Hillary was a crook, I will admit that, but you don't have to convince me anymore than she is, that time has passed
So do you think Clinton (and others) should be investigated for their crimes with Russia, or has the time passed?

By the way, I don't understand how you can be all up in arms about this Uranium One thing (which also involves Russia obviously) and then in the same post be all like "nah, Russia's cool, nothing to see here regarding Russia, no, Russia isn't trying to hurt us". Seems like you're doing what you're accusing me of (having a problem when it's politically expedient).
Because I don't see Russia as that much of a threat. Putin preaches peace, cooperation and nuclear de-escalation. The US is the threat to Russia. So I'm not going to be like other people and pretend Russia is this massive threat, yet deflect from direct evidence of Russian government involvement in US domestic affairs. Do I think USA should sell uranium to Russia? Not necessarily, and if they do it shouldn't be secretly and illegally under the table. Do I think Russian election interference in US elections is acceptable? Definitely not. Do I think it's to the extent that it's worthy of discussion or even close to altering results? Definitely not.

The Mueller report DOES outline how the Russians have been influencing our democracy, and evidence to link Trump financially to wealthy Russian oligarchs. It outlines 14 separate meetings during the campaign with members of Trump's campaign, in addition to the history of borrowing money from them. If you think it's all lies then okay, but you can't say it's too big of a leap for me to suggest what I suggested just because you want to believe it's a pack of lies. Again, I'm not saying trump is a traitor, and I will admit to you that when he got elected I jumped straight on the anti-Trump propaganda train. I'm just saying we should consider the leverage they have over him.
If you held Israel and Jewish influence over Trump to the same standard, we'd never hear about Russia.

Well done for attempting to inform yourself on politics though.

 

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Can someone in staff define "conspiracy theory" so I know what deserves to be in this thread?
 

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I have defined conspiracy theory for you several times.

And cameras malfunctioning in itself would be evidence of a conspiracy, there not being camera footage in itself is not.

You said the cameras malfunctioned, how about you back that claim up? Unless you just believe whatever you read like you accuse others of with the mainstream media.

Back it up, I want an official statement about malfunctioning cameras. Or an admission that you didn't research it and just repeated it.

Im expecting neither.

If it sounds like my patience is low, it's because I just found out my lengthy definition of conspiracy theories on multiple occasions was ignored.
 

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Your posts were moved because they were off-topic, not because they were conspiracy theories.

They just so happened to have large off-topic chunks that are conspiracy theories or you trying to make insinuations that Killary is a lesbian.

It would be helpful if you provided links to sources (not “see Wikileaks”).

If you have any other complaints about moderation, message @Xorkoth, @swilow, @TheLoveBandit or make a thread in STH.

Consider yourself officially warned in this regard. You know where to direct your thoughts, opinions and questions.
 

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I have defined conspiracy theory for you several times.
And consistently fail to make sense. Because if you group "Flat Earth" and "why was there no cameras facing his cell?" into the same tier of "conspiracy theories" - that's a problem with your definitions.

And cameras malfunctioning in itself would be evidence of a conspiracy, there not being camera footage in itself is not.
YES IT IS! There's no footage of one of the most high-profile criminal figures of all time. How many cameras did Epstein have in his pedo rape mansions? MANY.

You said the cameras malfunctioned, how about you back that claim up? Unless you just believe whatever you read like you accuse others of with the mainstream media.
Even if I was wrong about the cameras malfunctioning (and if that is not the official story then I will admit I was wrong) you are still deflecting from the FACT that there was officially no cameras on Epstein.

It would be helpful if you provided links to sources (not “see Wikileaks”).
Wikileaks has NEVER published any false documents. If you go to Wikileaks and search for any of the keywords of what I said - the email in question will instantly pop up.
 

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The word "conspire" is defined by Merriam-Webster as: "to join in a secret agreement to do an unlawful or wrongful act or an act which becomes unlawful as a result of the secret agreement".

So "conspiracy theorists" (and btw, basically NO ONE identifies as a conspiracy theorist) theorize that, at times, some people "join in a secret agreement to do unlawful or wrongful acts".

And yet the media wants us all to believe that anyone who thus theorizes, is 'crazy'. Which sounds exactly like what people involved in conspiring would do in an effort to avoid exposure.




Last month, Cornell University professor Dave Collum tweeted:
"I am a 'conspiracy theorist'. I believe men and women of wealth and power conspire. If you don't think so, then you are what is called 'an idiot'. If you believe stuff but fear the label, you are what is called 'a coward'."

There are a lot of cowards and idiots out there, not to mention cowardly idiots. Like the passive authoritarian covert conspiracy theorists who only believe conspiracy theories - like Russiagate - when it is not described as such and proffered to them by purported authorities like the mainstream media and government.

Such people will happily accept and repeat really crazy conspiracy theories because they're told it's the consensus (i.e. what the mainstream media says is the consensus) and it's not 'officially' a crazy conspiracy theory.

But if you point out that that is EXACTLY what it is, many of them will immediately recant for fear of being stigmatized and ostracized by the same label they use to stigmatize and ostracize others, and then go back to privately believing 'official' bullshit conspiracy theories and eschewing anything approximating the truth, which they call a bullshit conspiracy theory.
 
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