Opioids Clean 6 years opioids-how many days of re use to become readdicted

[3dmusic]

Hello
I got clean off opioids 6 years ago which is great.
I have a lot of circumstantial problems not from drugs I have been unable to solve and the depression has been so overwhelming.
The only reason I am still here is because I do not want to commit suicide for spiritual reasons, I’m not Religious however I don’t want to come back with the same problems who knows what happens after death sure.
When I stopped opiates my world came crashing down. This is not to say that I think people should continue taking opiates.
Everyone I know who stopped opiates did not regret it and nor do I, However I have a set of unique circumstances that are just so much of a pain since stopping I have lost over half of my body weight. My personal hygiene is gone down the Suwanee I cannot get out of my home. I am disciplined with them for example I’ve got a box of Oxy years ago I took three out got high yes I was too scared to take the rest of them so I gave them away this was before I gave up opiates.
I don’t inject i took. pills.
I took them for five years and never got addicted because I had regular breaks of 2 to 3 days. The only reason I got addicted was because I took the slow release type instead of the short release type. So how many days can I take them they are becoming re addicted thank you.

 

[negrogesic]

Addiction takes physical and psychological forms (the separation of the two forms being somewhat arbitrary as they are inextricably linked) so its hard to quantify when you will become readdicted (particularly with regard to psychological addiction).

For me, as a former ultra heavy dose opioid addict, two days of opioid use can bring about withdrawal symptoms. Once every 10 days doesn't seem to produce physical withdrawal.

Psychological addiction is different. I once decided I'd take methadone as a treat once every 10 days. While it avoided physical withdrawal i found myself counting down the days until the next dose. On day 7 for instance i thought, sweet only 3 more days! I remember on the night of day 9 I felt like a kid waiting for Christmas morning. I was very excited to get my next dose. I was psychologically addicted despite not being physically addicted. I spent a great deal of time thinking about it.

The truth is regular dosing intervals are a bad idea for a former opioid addict. While i kept up that once every 10 days game for a while, eventually it got me in the end. Once every 10 days become 7 days which became 5, then 3, then bam, my psychological addiction shook hands with a physical addiction and I was taking it daily.

 

[3dmusic]

I think the psychological addiction never left, it’s the physical withdrawal I worry about.
I can cope with a weed or a few days of misery if I know physical addiction won’t return if I dose once daily in the morning once/twice a week to keep tolerance down with short acting pills.
2 days consecutive use to become re addicted, I only intend small doses, I don’t even want to build up tolerance.
How much were you on a day to get addicted?
How much did you start on to get readdicted?
Methadone is long acting isn’t it, my pills don’t stay in the system long.

I would be counting down the days. I’ve done six years and can’t take this misery but my circumstances in my life are unusual.
Suicide is out of the question.

 

[Bomb319]

Fortunately, you NEVER have to completely give up opioids! Your body does a great job manufacturing its own (as peptides, not alkaloids, but I'm being pedantic) as long as you do the right things.

Ok, I know I'm being a bit of a smart ass, but those receptors were always there. You think man or poppy invented them? Sure, you won't have them bind to your receptors as long, but that's a good thing (unless you enjoy diarrhea, puking, spiritual death, and wishing to die).

 

[3dmusic]

How can I get my body to make opioids, I don’t excercise, I’m housebound

 

[3dmusic]

I know this question has been answered above but it’s a different opiates.
When I was addicted six years ago are used to take over 500 mg of dihydrocodeine. I don’t know what the American equivalent of that drug is.
Tonight at 8 o’clock I took 16 mg and that was all I needed. Tomorrow morning around 11I want to take 120 mg. It’s got an elimination half life of four hours.
The kind poster Who advised me it took him two days to get me addicted physically was on methadone and that stays in the system much longer.
I hope this question can be answered. If I take 120 mg of dihydrocodeine around midday lunchtime. Could two days of consecutive use make me physically addicted again. I have only had one opiate addiction six years ago.
I’m also addicted to diazepam my dose is 22 mg. I’m reducing that slowly.

 

[3dmusic]

Might be it will works without getting physically addicted, the only way to know is to test, but you should know for sure that you will get mentally addicted, do you want to put your self in addiction again.

I never, stopped being mentally addicted to drugs in all honesty.
Dr Gabor Mate The addiction specialist from Canada is correct when he says addictions are a maladaptive response to trauma. I have use substances starting at the gateway substance, alcohol, since my teens to deal with trauma.
I will add to Dr Mate That not all traumatised children and become addicts, because many of them find a healthy response to trauma and grow up to be successful even knows will have Suffered horrific trauma.

I obsess about the dihydrocodeine that I knew was coming sometime today. I managed to occupy myself with the task, while I was waiting for it as I did not know what time it was coming and although this did not solve the root of my problems it did help somewhat in knowing that that task has now been done.

I have a Valium addiction and I’m lucky that it is prescribed and I am reducing it. I still have a way to go. I feel I have got a lot of problems that I have tried to solve unsuccessfully, they are complex and when I have involved others to help such as experts in the various parts of these complex problems, sometimesthe way people have tried to solve them have cost me more stress. I won’t go into the nature of the problems as they are not drug related.
I had a scary insight on Thursday night after having a craving for opiates. It is the strongest craving I have had since I got clean six years ago.

What I am about to say seem unrelated. I probably mentioned I am autistic and find it hard to put things into words but here goes.
Peppermint, like grapefruit makes Valium stay in the system longer. I checked this with the pharmacist recently. I use nicotine lozenges with peppermint oil as an ingredient. Not only do I want to cut the nicotine down I also wanted to replace, or partially replace the peppermint lozenges with fruit flavour. I did this about a week ago and my logic says that as I am ingesting less peppermint, my Valium is needing my system and this could be acting like a bigger cut in the Valium from my system. I hope that makes sense.
Obviously this is going to escalate my anxiety as less of the drug is in my system and as a result cravings from my old addiction surfaced and I wondered, as I have been reliant on One drug, or another for so long a morbid question came to mind. Will I ever be able to cope without drugs? This scared me but it was a truth I needed to hear and ask myself.

It is eight hours since I ingested the dihydrocodeine and I will be going to bed shortly. I only get a few hours sleep a night. I am pleased that I was able to feel content on on the 60 mg as I had originally intended to take 150 mg, I am glad I started small. I fought the craving off, However it came back on Thursday night, And I acted on it. To Conclude I have had a psychological addiction for decades Not only to ingestible substances or two people and things. Dr Gabor Mate Himself admits he is an addict. He buys books that he never reads. He cannot resist buying compact discs. This may not seem as serious as a The drug addict‘s problems he deals with but psychologically both he and the Addicts he treats have had trauma, his trauma being A Hungarian Jewish toddler, fleeing Nazi occupied Hungary, as a Jew in the Second World War.

 

[3dmusic]

Today I stayed in bed till after 2pm which is a bit morbid as it is time wasting but it helped.
It helped because, late last night, small hours, as psychological addiction came up on here thanks to @ibtisam midlet and it spurred a fantasy in me, imagining getting to the end of the day and NOT doing the 120mgs dihydrocodeine as I had planned.
I fantasised, what if I can do none? I will be overcome with depression, will waste the day time killing but the one bonus will be that my ego is stroked, I managed to delay gratification.
There is another reason why I can’t really do any today, as my bowels are bunged up, so I’m a bit of a cheat.
I get constipated without opiates, what chance do I stand if I dose two days on the run.?
So far I have succeeded in doing none.
Ok, so I have wasted a day being depressed, and the constipation further aggravated by opiates has helped keep me off but I managed to resist and the pills are there for me tomorrow.
The dihydrocodeine from yesterday evening should be out of my system as it was only 60mg, I hope.
I think, hope, I will avoid physical addiction by waiting a day.
Go me!

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

Can happen after one relapse

 

[3dmusic]

Can happen after one relapse

Where did you get this information from?
I took opiates about 14 hours ago and I’m not in withdrawal.
If you can provide Experiential evidence or a source for the information that one doors can get Experiential evidence or a source for the information that one doors can get you a physical habit, I will be more convinced.
I took small small dose on Friday and a slightly larger dose today on Sunday, there was more than 24 hours between doses and I did not feel withdrawal, there was 14 hours since my last dose and I feel no withdrawals. I took two 30mg dihydrocodeine pills on Friday evening and three 30mg pills of dihydrocodeine this early afternoon, no diarrhoea, runny nose, ot other symptoms.
This link shows how much time it takes for withdrawal symptoms to appear

What Is Drug Withdrawal?

If you have been using drugs with a high potential for dependency and you stop suddenly or cut down drastically, you can experience symptoms known as withdrawal.

www.verywellmind.com

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

I believe it's a well-known, called the kindling effect.

 

[3dmusic]

It’s been over 30 hours since last dose.
Was really keen to take low doses not daily, however Despite the fact I am fed up of this overwhelming depression and anxiety which has come since I got clean off them 6 years ago, for some reason I have decided not to bother taking the remaining five pills despite not having constipation.
I got rid of them.
IMPORTANT Please do not let my depression since getting clean put anyone off getting clean of opiates. Nobody knows my circumstances. It is worth getting clean just because I have been depressed since getting clean does not mean you will in fact All the people I know who have got clean are glad that they have stayed clean.
I am clean again and it looks like I am staying that way because I changed my mind about trying to get some more.

 

[Lauren1978]

It’s been over 30 hours since last dose.
Was really keen to take low doses not daily, however Despite the fact I am fed up of this overwhelming depression and anxiety which has come since I got clean off them 6 years ago, for some reason I have decided not to bother taking the remaining five pills despite not having constipation.
I got rid of them.
IMPORTANT Please do not let my depression since getting clean put anyone off getting clean of opiates. Nobody knows my circumstances. It is worth getting clean just because I have been depressed since getting clean does not mean you will in fact All the people I know who have got clean are glad that they have stayed clean.
I am clean again and it looks like I am staying that way because I changed my mind about trying to get some more.

Good job 3d. I'm sure that wasn't easy. You make some interesting observations.

-I'm glad suicide is not an option for you. But please realize that it is a lie to believe that you cannot be "happy" without opiates. Don't believe the lie.

It's true that we change our brain chemistry WHILE we use opiates, and after long term use, it takes time for our receptors to return in full swing. And that sucks, but there are a few things we can do to speed it up. Like laughing, exercising, having sex, performing, or anything that requires your full focus and that you enjoy. Watch comedies, have sex, work out, listen to soothing or upbeat music, DO whatever it is that takes your focus off drugs and your mood, and gets you moving.

I don't know all that goes into the diagnosis of autism, although I have a brother on the spectrum. May I assume you experience levels of comfort or peace? Are there people in your life whom you love?

I don't know if you have a therapist or have done any cognitive (or experiential) therapy for depression. But when you were taking high doses of opiates, were you "happy" or were you numb? Are there actions you can take to address your circumstances and or - must you absolutely accept the circumstances? Because I think the answer to that question will be a factor in which path you need to take.

I have a serious question for you - Why do you want to get off all medications? I'm asking because I'm curious and because I think it'll help you stay motivated if you have a reason for getting clean, that you really - truly believe.

Next - As for the constipation with opiates (or for whatever reason), you can take softeners like Colace to help. Softeners are not the same as laxactives, which contain stimulants, but they are often confused. For me, the laxatives with stimulants are too strong but the softeners themselves, without any stimulants added, help. And of course eating high fiber foods helps too, and is good for you.

I was on very high doses of oxycodone for several years and it was hard to get off them. But the last time I got off them was 30 months ago and I did it over several months, transitioning to methadone (which I did not care for nearly as much as oxy - so in a sense that made it easier to taper) and I did taper off the methadone quite slowly. I decreased my dose by 5% every week until it got a bit difficult, then I would stay at the new dose for 2-3 weeks before dropping another 5%. It took me about 4 months to get to 0, but I did that without any serious physical withdrawal.

I still take loperamide a few times a week b/c I think long term opiates were treating IBS in me, which now flares up. But it's manageable.

Keep us posted!

 

[GetMeOutOfThisCRAP]

Just a single day lol.

I want oxy all the time. Every second when I'm on it or not. No matter how long the time period I'm off it is.... I'll never stop loving it.

That doesn't mean I'll be on it every day for 50 years.... but let's be real for a moment. Who doesn't want opiates? If they don't have beef with you they won't make it impossible to get out. People get locked into that realm that blows sobriety out of the water and do the craziest things to get it day after day. Unfortunately the drugs don't seem to like that part. The guilt of what you've done to get high can make it so impossible to escape, or literally just let you walk away at times. I feel like this drug summons you. It's not like cocaine where you summon "it." It's alive and senses you when you're under its effects. I haven't really felt that way with any other drug. Could be batshit here though, lol. I just think opiates are something a little bit extra and might still be alive and abuse you if you abuse it. Some people really can't escape it but I think it can be because of how they smash anyone to the ground who is abusing it to a degree. It feels out to kill people some times. Really though.

 

[3dmusic]

Good job 3d. I'm sure that wasn't easy. You make some interesting observations.

-I'm glad suicide is not an option for you. But please realize that it is a lie to believe that you cannot be "happy" without opiates. Don't believe the lie.

It's true that we change our brain chemistry WHILE we use opiates, and after long term use, it takes time for our receptors to return in full swing. And that sucks, but there are a few things we can do to speed it up. Like laughing, exercising, having sex, performing, or anything that requires your full focus and that you enjoy. Watch comedies, have sex, work out, listen to soothing or upbeat music, DO whatever it is that takes your focus off drugs and your mood, and gets you moving.

I don't know all that goes into the diagnosis of autism, although I have a brother on the spectrum. May I assume you experience levels of comfort or peace? Are there people in your life whom you love?

I don't know if you have a therapist or have done any cognitive (or experiential) therapy for depression. But when you were taking high doses of opiates, were you "happy" or were you numb? Are there actions you can take to address your circumstances and or - must you absolutely accept the circumstances? Because I think the answer to that question will be a factor in which path you need to take.

I have a serious question for you - Why do you want to get off all medications? I'm asking because I'm curious and because I think it'll help you stay motivated if you have a reason for getting clean, that you really - truly believe.

Next - As for the constipation with opiates (or for whatever reason), you can take softeners like Colace to help. Softeners are not the same as laxactives, which contain stimulants, but they are often confused. For me, the laxatives with stimulants are too strong but the softeners themselves, without any stimulants added, help. And of course eating high fiber foods helps too, and is good for you.

I was on very high doses of oxycodone for several years and it was hard to get off them. But the last time I got off them was 30 months ago and I did it over several months, transitioning to methadone (which I did not care for nearly as much as oxy - so in a sense that made it easier to taper) and I did taper off the methadone quite slowly. I decreased my dose by 5% every week until it got a bit difficult, then I would stay at the new dose for 2-3 weeks before dropping another 5%. It took me about 4 months to get to 0, but I did that without any serious physical withdrawal.

I still take loperamide a few times a week b/c I think long term opiates were treating IBS in me, which now flares up. But it's manageable.

Keep us posted!

Hello
I really appreciate you taking the time to make this post.
I said that for most people, well, all people, this is a lie to think that we will not be happy without opiates.
I don’t want to go into my circumstances I want to stick to drug talk.
I don’t believe I will be happy without opiates.
Nor do I believe I will be happy with them, because I will want more and more, this Does not feel like an option for me so I have to stay clean.
Since posting last, I have stayed clean.

Thank you for the suggestions my mood is just too not to do anything even opiates.

I do not get any peace but I am alright with being autistic.

There are a couple of people off-line and one person online who cares for me.

They cannot help me though.

Opiates just numb you, something made me decide to take on really Lotos and I got the desired effect but I had to Wait a day before taking a slightly higher dose.
It’s been three days now Since I dosed I feel no symptoms of withdrawal.

it is good that you beat opiates. Once again thank you for your post.

Sorry I forgot to answer your question. Freedom is the reason I want to get off all medication.

 

[3dmusic]

Just a single day lol.

I want oxy all the time. Every second when I'm on it or not. No matter how long the time period I'm off it is.... I'll never stop loving it.

That doesn't mean I'll be on it every day for 50 years.... but let's be real for a moment. Who doesn't want opiates? If they don't have beef with you they won't make it impossible to get out. People get locked into that realm that blows sobriety out of the water and do the craziest things to get it day after day. Unfortunately the drugs don't seem to like that part. The guilt of what you've done to get high can make it so impossible to escape, or literally just let you walk away at times. I feel like this drug summons you. It's not like cocaine where you summon "it." It's alive and senses you when you're under its effects. I haven't really felt that way with any other drug. Could be batshit here though, lol. I just think opiates are something a little bit extra and might still be alive and abuse you if you abuse it. Some people really can't escape it but I think it can be because of how they smash anyone to the ground who is abusing it to a degree. It feels out to kill people some times. Really though.

I feel the same about opiates Dihydrocodeine however I don’t feel I have a choice but to stay clean, needing more and more just gets on my nerves,
Not to mention the expense and then when the where off you back to where you started.
I do not judge anyone who takes opiates it’s just that I choose not to, last week I wanted them after six years but once I took them well I enjoyed them I decided that they were the wrong choice for me personally.
It is good that I do not have a source for opiates.
It’s also not on the part of me that wants them but the reality is I have no choice but to stay clean so in this sense not having a source doesn’t matter.
I think that opiates would Control me and I don’t want to be controlled by then.