Yepimonfire
Greenlighter
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- Aug 6, 2014
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Considering larger amounts of these must be used to actually do anything to me, I'm concerned with the safety of them, specifically concerning withdrawal possibilities. Right now I'm taking 1500-2000mg valerian extract to sleep (regular high end of dosing spectrum is like 900mg), and chamomile as needed at anywhere between 700mg (whole flower, not extract) to 2100mg a day, bottle says to take this amount spread out over three doses, but considering the anxiety is worse sometimes and barely there others, i sometimes opt to take a bigger dose at once or split the 2100 mg up throughout the evening/night.
On the phenibut, this is my third attempt at tapering, originally got started because of bad anxiety, decided to taper initially at 8 grams, got down to 3.5, went back up to 12 grams, got down to 2 on the second attempt, then shot up to 14 grams the third time, few months later, I'm now back down to 5.5g. Every time i fail is because of withdrawal symptoms and anxiety so this time i've come prepared. I usually cut the dose by 500mg every 7 days, the first 3 days post drop are either mildly annoying or very rough, it depends, sometimes it's pretty bad. It's mainly bad anxiety, depression and anhedonia, pounding heart, crawling skin on my legs at the worst times, and insomnia if it weren't for the valerian, 10mg melatonin, 25-50mg doxylamine succinate (which seems to knock me out anxious or not) and chamomile. A lot of this is simply a magnification of my pre-existing anxiety disorder.
How safe is this? Is it possible to develop a secondary dependence on the chamomile and valerian? They're very mild compared to something like valium or xanax, but they take the edge off at a high dose. I also have gabapentin reserved for a worst case scenario when nothing seems to help, haven't touched it and probably won't.
On the phenibut, this is my third attempt at tapering, originally got started because of bad anxiety, decided to taper initially at 8 grams, got down to 3.5, went back up to 12 grams, got down to 2 on the second attempt, then shot up to 14 grams the third time, few months later, I'm now back down to 5.5g. Every time i fail is because of withdrawal symptoms and anxiety so this time i've come prepared. I usually cut the dose by 500mg every 7 days, the first 3 days post drop are either mildly annoying or very rough, it depends, sometimes it's pretty bad. It's mainly bad anxiety, depression and anhedonia, pounding heart, crawling skin on my legs at the worst times, and insomnia if it weren't for the valerian, 10mg melatonin, 25-50mg doxylamine succinate (which seems to knock me out anxious or not) and chamomile. A lot of this is simply a magnification of my pre-existing anxiety disorder.
How safe is this? Is it possible to develop a secondary dependence on the chamomile and valerian? They're very mild compared to something like valium or xanax, but they take the edge off at a high dose. I also have gabapentin reserved for a worst case scenario when nothing seems to help, haven't touched it and probably won't.
