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mal3volent

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So, I figured this topic would be something the left and right could find some agreement on. I have personally become increasingly annoyed and disgusted by the mob rule on platforms such as Twitter etc. For example, Sia of all people was recently savagely attacked for the trailer of her new movie. This video summarizes the situation pretty well.


I really like Andy Signore who made that video. He was cancelled himself for no good reason and had the company he started ripped out from under him and stolen. If you are interested you can watch his other videos.
 

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I thought it was about taking down statues and stuff.

Cancel culture (or call-out culture) is a modern form of ostracism in which someone is thrust out of social or professional circles - either online on social media, in the real world, or both. Those who are subject to this ostracism are said to be "canceled."

Mob rule, etc. I perceive social media as a gigantic joke, so losing my accounts would be just a matter of getting a new one. If its celebrities well, they don't have real jobs so I could care less.

I mean when it turns into slander and a legal problem, where you are accusing someone of sexual assault because you don't like them and then the victim's life is in the garbage, well I think that's a different thing.

Or I suppose the reverse where like in India or Pakistan a woman says she is raped and then mob rule cancels her out, etc. Or in general.

I think the real point is that you have to leverage social media correctly to promote and make money. Usually that involves a PR firm or some kind of marketing firm and a fair amount of money. If some celebrity is just saying whatever on Twitter on a personal level and they get dunked on, then I guess fair game? Any publicity is good publicity.

Like now, you mention Sia. You are basically promoting her brand. I've heard of her, she's some singer or something. But now you've drawn attention to it.

Hypebeast is hypebeast I guess.
 

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Like now, you mention Sia. You are basically promoting her brand. I've heard of her, she's some singer or something. But now you've drawn attention to it.

They are drawing attention to it, yeah, but it's bad attention. People who won't take the time to investigate and form their own conclusions will just hear that Sia did something offensive and they will join in with the mob. When in reality she did nothing wrong at all, quite to the contrary.

There are people already demanding that she never release the move, something that took her three years to complete. I consider that a form of cancelling. Not to mention the Gossip sites that have already picked up on it and spread the lies and controversy. Her reputation may be tarnished forever now over nothing.
 

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They are drawing attention to it, yeah, but it's bad attention. People who won't take the time to investigate and form their own conclusions will just hear that Sia did something offensive and they will join in with the mob. When in reality she did nothing wrong at all, quite to the contrary.

There are people already demanding that she never release the move, something that took her three years to complete. I consider that a form of cancelling. Not to mention the Gossip sites that have already picked up on it and spread the lies and controversy. Her reputation may be tarnished forever now over nothing.
Yeah, she’s getting torn up by neurodiverse (that’s pc for autistic) activists.
I’m not sure what I think, but I don’t think Sia was being malicious.
 

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Pretending history didn't happen is not a good thing.

Which is not to say that there's absolutely nothing ascribed to cancel culture that I disagree with, there's much I do. But seemingly most of it seems like misguided attempts to pretend the past wasn't what it was.

And it's misguided because the past should not be forgotten. Good and bad.
 

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It's not just about tearing down statues, in fact that is just one slim aspect of it. It's the thing where the social media mob decides that someone did something offensive and tries to get whatever that person produced, and their entire career, canceled. Like musicians who are found to have committed sexual assault or something having their careers destroyed and having calls for their music to retroactively be banned or boycotted. Basically, someone isn't PC, they shouldn't be able to share the fruits of their labor. Now, if said random musician I am using as an example committed sexual assault, they should definitely face justice under the law, no doubt about that. It is good that this stuff is coming out. But their music is something that exists already and may be a beautiful expression of art that people love, and it should not be suppressed, nor should this person be prevented from making more music.

I'm sick of it, too.
 

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Trying to color cancel culture as something that is simply "annoying" is short sighted at best and only further stigmatizes a word that doesn't need to be stigmatized.

Remember when politicians couldn't get away with saying even just one stupid thing in their career without everyone making fun of them for it?

Now if Trump DOESN'T say something stupid at least twice a day we start to wonder what's wrong. Half of the country voted for this behavior.

It's as if we are addicted to misinformation.

We need more cancel culture imo. Make America Accountable Again
 

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All I will say is, there is a reason we have due process. Mob rule is far too easily manipulated. Social media is another ball game. If cancel culture were actually a thing do you think someone like trump could have been president? Maybe there is a reason they are trying to cancel them.
 

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"Cancel culture" is mostly "Twitter mob culture". All of the worst examples of cancel culture are entirely Twitter-based phenomena. There is a little cancel culture on reddit/Tumblr/Mastodon but the nature of those platforms is to make that controversy self-limiting, which is a good thing, although now I feel dirty for saying anything positive at all about reddit.

Some people try to equate it to the #metoo reckoning but forget that:

- #metoo cases actually went to court
- #metoo cases were reported by traditional media organizations
- #metoo cases (excluding a few copycats) describe physical acts not thoughtcrimes
- but fuck Rolling Stone anyway
 

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I think social media is perhaps one of the worst things to happen to society in a long time.

I know a lot of people realize that, there's just one problem. They keep using it.
 

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Trying to color cancel culture as something that is simply "annoying" is short sighted at best and only further stigmatizes a word that doesn't need to be stigmatized.

Remember when politicians couldn't get away with saying even just one stupid thing in their career without everyone making fun of them for it?

Now if Trump DOESN'T say something stupid at least twice a day we start to wonder what's wrong. Half of the country voted for this behavior.

It's as if we are addicted to misinformation.

We need more cancel culture imo. Make America Accountable Again

The standard we have for elected officials is a completely separate thing. Politics literally is a popularity contest. Normal people's lives aren't.
 

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People are easily star struck and generally more likely to make poor excuses for those in music/entertainment because it appeals to their emotions.

Most of these people we feel sorry for that have been "wronged" by cancel culture are simply rich people problems. If you are in the entertainment business it's expected that you get hate from many directions. It's only been recently that politicians such as Trump decided to profit off of negative attention, but rest assure that good ol "normal" millionaire musicians have been doing this for a long time.

Cancel culture isn't a bad word. It's just a thing that can be good or bad.
 

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To me cancel culture is logging on social media and looking to others to see who is acceptable to support that day and who isn't.

The opposite of that is a baseline level of individual free thought.

So in that context, I'm against it every time. There is no "good or bad".
 

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Did anyone stomach through the movie Cuties on Netflix?

The left and the right certainly came together in agreement on attempting to cancel that one. I mean, I'm not sure how anyone here is going to argue in favor individual free thought when it comes to child pornography.
 

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Did anyone stomach through the movie Cuties on Netflix?

The left and the right certainly came together in agreement on attempting to cancel that one. I mean, I'm not sure how anyone here is going to argue in favor individual free thought when it comes to child pornography.

Yeah but I can decide for myself not to watch that. I don't have to base my decision on what people are saying on Twitter. And I'm not going to try to ruin the lives of everyone involved in making it.
 

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Yeah but I can decide for myself not to watch that. I don't have to base my decision on what people are saying on Twitter. And I'm not going to try to ruin the lives of everyone involved in making it.
Do you think the little girl's lives could have already been ruined by being in the film itself?
 

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Do you think the little girl's lives could have already been ruined by being in the film itself?

Their lives ruined? I mean idk...possibly? Seems like a bit of a stretch from what I know, which isn't that much.
 

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Their lives ruined? I mean idk...possibly? Seems like a bit of a stretch from what I know, which isn't that much.
Well you don't have to listen to Twitter to cancel your Netflix either. You can watch the movie and decide for yourself.

Outside of this mysterious "ruined lives" caused by the #cancelnetflix trending hashtag there is real news to be found no need to make up a mystery mob that doesn't exist.

Like this,

 

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I'll be the first here to admit that I'm annoyed by Twitter to the point of not using it (not that I ever did).

#CancelTwitter seems to be a common theme in this thread ironically we are doing the exact same thing the OP claims to be annoying.
 
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