Bupe Buprenorphine Withdrawals

Mr.Scagnattie

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dude its just i'v been on amphetamine since I was 11 - I AM one of the few who is physically dependent. even two months after my last dose, I can hardly get outta bed. Sub withdrawals are a cinch anyways
There is no psychical withdrawals with amphetamines like there is with opiates, benzos, and alcohol, no matter who you are.. the drugs just don't chemically work that way. Have you ever been dependent on opiates or benzos? There is a very big difference in the rebound effects from stopping something like amphetamines compared to true acute- withdrawal from something like opiates..
 

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woah buddy, i hope by "a cinch" you mean "really fucking terrible" because if you didn't, you're in for an unpleasant surprise. Sub withdrawals are NOT a cinch... they're really long, and horrible.
 

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woah buddy, i hope by "a cinch" you mean "really fucking terrible" because if you didn't, you're in for an unpleasant surprise. Sub withdrawals are NOT a cinch... they're really long, and horrible.
^^^

This. You're going to be in for a rude surprise if you think kicking suboxone is a walk in the park.
 

Wake_of_the_Flood

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dude its just i'v been on amphetamine since I was 11 - I AM one of the few who is physically dependent. even two months after my last dose, I can hardly get outta bed. Sub withdrawals are a cinch anyways
You really think it's appropriate to talk about sub withdrawals like that in a "Bupe Withdrawal" thread with hundreds of replies spanning many years? Clearly it is not a cinch if you are the one person saying that in this whole thread. You're probably just trolling for attention and congrats you got it.

There is no easy way out of addiction, especially by switching to something else. Taper down from the amph and make some positive lifestyle changes if you really want to help yourself and your brain recover.
 

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I took my last 8mg film on Christmas morning and dr has been closed so unexpected cold Turkey fo me its Sunday now i feel like shit but i would like to know how much more am i going to go throu
 

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I took my last 8mg film on Christmas morning and dr has been closed so unexpected cold Turkey fo me its Sunday now i feel like shit but i would like to know how much more am i going to go throu
Well it depends on the dosage you were on and the amount of time you were on it for. When I quit suboxone 'cold turkey' a while back days 3-5 were the worst, and things began getting better around day 8, and I was out of the woods by the 2 week mark, but it took a month to really get back to normal.
 

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My conventional wisdom is this ... Using amphetamines to get off bupe is one thing. Vice versa = no go.

Yeah I know I am sitting here in (bupe) withdrawal and I agree with you man "bupe gives me energy" is totally on my mind and it's 100% true.

So you're not wrong.

I just urge you to try not using amphetamines without needing anything.
 

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Can someone plz answer a few of my questions. Swim had replase on to heroin (smoking in cigs) to abt twice a week. When he started feeling some withdrawals he used tramadol in the days between. This went on for a month, then when the trams were not effective enough he used 0.6 to 0.3 mg of bupes (IM) in the days between. About two weeks ago he decided enough was enough and stopped H. He tapered on bupes quite fast. 0.6 mgs for two days, 0.3 mgs for 6 days and then took trams 100mg for the next 6 days. Tapering trams as well now, he took only 30mg for the last two days (each). But these damn hype Withdrawals don't seem to end. He is taking clopazepam, 2mgs a day to remain sane and 10-20mg valium per night to pass those 12 hours. Three days ago he did collapse from the chills and cold that he used H for a day. But he is certain that did not prolong the bup Ws, only helped get through his terrible day. Its been about 7-9 days off bups, where he was using on average 0.5 mgs a day at MAX and he did that for only two weeks tops. Now all he has to cope with are Goosebumps and the cold, and also weakness but that is ok. He has another for days before he has to resume his regular life, family, office, etc. What do U guys think will be his state then and how far has he come? When do the chills end? As far as he knows he is motivated to go all the way. And seriously, do only 14 days of hype use cause such long withdrawls?
 
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shocker52538

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Hi,
I have been using suboxone for about 2 and a half months every 3 to 4 days I use it about maximum 4 mg sublingually when I do use it I am just wondering if there will be any withdrawals from this because I want to stop and am gonna stop now.
Please respond thanks.
 

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I am a long-time reader but first-time poster on BL. I know this is an old thread, so please forgive me if I am in the wrong place. I really need help with Suboxone tapering and minimizing withdrawal. I was on pain meds for seven years for a back injury, and though I didn’t abuse them for a high (don’t get any), I did begin to abuse them to improve the efficacy. At the time I stopped nine days ago, twice a day I was chewing 75 mg of MS Contin plus taking orally another 30 mg (105 mg twice a day), coupled with OTC Codeine (Nurofen) 8-16 pills at 11.8 mg Codeine per pill. I know all the stupid parts of this.

A new doctor, who had no business or adequate experience prescribing Suboxone, gave me the sublinqual 8 mg strips and insisted I switch over. He started me too early, and I went into massive precipitated withdrawals (been through wds once before, and I know the real thing – though this was accelerated and horrific). He had no idea what to do but to take more Suboxone, which just made it worse (total 24 mg first day) and woozy. Eventually, after reading everything I could find on the web and Blue Light, I decided just to ‘rude it out’ and see if it improved. I had 24 hours of the full thing. Day 2 was better, but it was still as if withdrawal was going on and just partly masked by the Sub, and day 3 was worse than 2, even with a bit of a dose increase.

So I ignored my doctor’s advice and began to reduce the dosage every day quite rapidly, dropping either 25% or 33% a day. Every day I felt a lot better, though some of that may have been the long half-life of the Bup building in the system. My tapering from day one to ten went as follows: 24 mg, 16 mg, 18 mg, 12 mg, 9 mg, 6 mg, 4.5 mg, 3 mg, 2 mg, 1.5 mg. These are totals for the day, taken in three third sized doses. So I have only been on Suboxone 10 days, and I have dropped from 24 mg to 1.5 mg.

My question is how quickly can I jump to zero, and should I do this before the Bup begins to build habituation in my body? I have read that people get down to small doses of .25 mg and still get wds, but that is usually when they’ve been on it a long time. I also don’t want to find out that I am just postponing the opiate withdrawal, even having experienced much of it anyway. I know everyone is different. For me, opiates are not exact replacements and affect the receptors very diffently. I have actually had wds from one med while trying to switch to another. The Sub felt exactly like that. So I am keen to avoid getting hooked on yet another med that may not be serving much of any purpose. The only symptoms I am having now is really bad anxiety in the latter half of the period between dose 1 and 2 of the day. Any advice would be very, very much appreciated.
 

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I am a long-time reader but first-time poster on BL. I know this is an old thread, so please forgive me if I am in the wrong place. I really need help with Suboxone tapering and minimizing withdrawal. I was on pain meds for seven years for a back injury, and though I didn’t abuse them for a high (don’t get any), I did begin to abuse them to improve the efficacy. At the time I stopped nine days ago, twice a day I was chewing 75 mg of MS Contin plus taking orally another 30 mg (105 mg twice a day), coupled with OTC Codeine (Nurofen) 8-16 pills at 11.8 mg Codeine per pill. I know all the stupid parts of this.

A new doctor, who had no business or adequate experience prescribing Suboxone, gave me the sublinqual 8 mg strips and insisted I switch over. He started me too early, and I went into massive precipitated withdrawals (been through wds once before, and I know the real thing – though this was accelerated and horrific). He had no idea what to do but to take more Suboxone, which just made it worse (total 24 mg first day) and woozy. Eventually, after reading everything I could find on the web and Blue Light, I decided just to ‘rude it out’ and see if it improved. I had 24 hours of the full thing. Day 2 was better, but it was still as if withdrawal was going on and just partly masked by the Sub, and day 3 was worse than 2, even with a bit of a dose increase.

So I ignored my doctor’s advice and began to reduce the dosage every day quite rapidly, dropping either 25% or 33% a day. Every day I felt a lot better, though some of that may have been the long half-life of the Bup building in the system. My tapering from day one to ten went as follows: 24 mg, 16 mg, 18 mg, 12 mg, 9 mg, 6 mg, 4.5 mg, 3 mg, 2 mg, 1.5 mg. These are totals for the day, taken in three third sized doses. So I have only been on Suboxone 10 days, and I have dropped from 24 mg to 1.5 mg.

My question is how quickly can I jump to zero, and should I do this before the Bup begins to build habituation in my body? I have read that people get down to small doses of .25 mg and still get wds, but that is usually when they’ve been on it a long time. I also don’t want to find out that I am just postponing the opiate withdrawal, even having experienced much of it anyway. I know everyone is different. For me, opiates are not exact replacements and affect the receptors very diffently. I have actually had wds from one med while trying to switch to another. The Sub felt exactly like that. So I am keen to avoid getting hooked on yet another med that may not be serving much of any purpose. The only symptoms I am having now is really bad anxiety in the latter half of the period between dose 1 and 2 of the day. Any advice would be very, very much appreciated.
I would just consider that a 10 day taper and stop now. You could always take 1-2mg if you are too sick after a few days off of it, but try to stick it out.
 

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tommyboy, Thanks for the advice and I appreciate you monitoring old threads. I realize I probably should have posted under the "Best Way to Use Suboxone..." thread, but I'm new at this.

As it turns out, the very next day after I posted, I took the first third of my 1 mg dose for the day but was in pretty uncomfortable shape with withdrawal symptoms (the big D, chills, excessive pain, unbelievable anxiety,etc.). I made a calculated risk and took the rest of my daily does at noon (so the other 0.666 mg). This worked like a charm, as the withdrawals abated within an hour, and I was good until around 9.00 p.m. I had to drug myself through the night with Ambien and Gabapentin, as by then things were not happy. The next morning I was in the same wd state, so I took the full 0.75 mg dose (still down 25%) and was good until about 5.00-6.00 p.m. Rode out the night the same way, and today I'm doing 0.66 mg in one dose, which seems to have again settled things enough. For the life of me, I can't figure out what's going on or whether this is a workable path. Maybe I'm just prolonging withdrawal, or maybe I am really making myself functional enough to get through it, work, etc. What doesn't make sense to me is that I calculated the residual Bup in my system based on a half-life formula I found on the web, and the total Bup in my blood is much higher than my current dose and dropping at a rate so quickly (about 25-28% per day) that the combining of the dose into one should not theoretically make much of a difference. But clearly it does, and not just psychologically but with physical symptoms.

I am laying this out there in case this is useful for anyone or adds to the general understanding of Subs/Bup. I seem to be able to reset the level of medication needed in my system on a daily basis, with some level of suffering but not nearly as bad as full on withdrawals. Maybe I am taking a bandaid off too slowly, but it seems to be the best I can do so far. If you (or anyone else) have any insight on this, I would appreciate the advice. I am now thinking I will wait until I am down to 0.25 mg in the next couple days AND that the residual amount in my system has dropped below 1.0 mg (about day 17). Maybe I am over-thinking this, but as much as this sucks, I am committed to finishing it.
 

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I'm curious if you go for a couple months after kicking a long heroin habit using subs to control cravings, dosing roughly .5mg to fend off a craving every day or two (sometimes even going three days), would the withdrawals be as bad as if you were taking it daily or dramatically less severe because of the days skipped/irregularity of the dosing?
 

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hi everybody! im new to this site and have been doing alot of browsing. was hoping to post in another thread aswell but its closed to posts i think..not too sure how this works still so bare with me..im just looking for ways to cope and talk to people about my experience so far with subutex withdrawal and what i have been taking to get through it...i do not have the luxury to go cold turkey considering i have a full time job and a crap ton of bills to pay and my life to still live as normally as possible.....my boss only gave me 4 days to detox and expected me to come back to work completely clean and ready to work my a&* off and train other servers all at the same time! well she didnt understand like most of you here(thats been there done that) how looooong the detox process is off subutex and for someone with extreme anxiety like myself it has been intensified times 20!im on day 10 of my tex wds and emotionally they havent been pretty....
Heres just a little background, i developed my first addiction, alcohol at age 19 and things got real bad for awhile, i have managed to keep that in check and went from 20 or more beers a night down to 2 in the evenings to just taste it and relax at night after a hard day off work! i can go without alcohol no problem anymore, have been self medicating for years as you all will see after taking the time to read this post. Anyway how i got here, well to continue on with my self medicating to help with my emotioal issues i moved onto opiates, ive been on and off benzos for years and never takin them to get high just to try an ease my anxiety..it gets really bad sometimes! never developed a problem with those...but those darn pain pills, they made me happy again i was fast at work thay made me feel less depressed and add a klon to the mix and i felt golden. well before i knew it, the old me just started to fade away and the new me couldnt funtion without snorting whatever opiate i could get my hands on to make it through the day! after about a year of flushing thousands of dollars down the toilet i was introduced to subutex.i thought it to be my link to getting sober because thats all i really want honestly! i went from snorting 60- 70 mgs of hydro oxy whatever i could get my hands on a day to get by with pretty much no buzz anymore, to only not even 1/4th of the subutex a day did the trick ! i thought this was gonna be the best tool to help me get clean...went right off the benzos and just took 1-1.5 mg a day of it for about 6 months, then in the last three months(was on it almost 9months total) i was up to 2 mg and wasnt happy anymore. became very anxious again and just wanted this monkey off my back for good! so i started planning my jump. being an addict and not realizing how strong this stuff really is i didnt do much tappering..the last 3 days before my jump i had a little over 2 mg and made that last 3 days and then just took the leap..I had been doing alot of research on ways to get through the w/ds and still be able to feel and act and work like a normal human being. i knew the 4 days i did get off work was just the beggining...anywho here i am 11 days clean from the tex and in day 10 of w/ds..


i found this stuff called Kratom(look it up people)there are a bunch of threads on it.. got some of that and got some tramadol, not many about 5 days worth and stocked up on some klons(if i hadnt i feel as if i would have went completely off the edge by now due to my anxiety levels are so so high) anyway the first 4 days i took low doses of the kratom and a klon or 2 and sleep and restlessness were the worst parts...when i mean low doses of the kratom i mean the suggested dose for someone without an opiate tolerence is atleast 5 grams and i didnt even barely push 3 through the whole day..i didnt wanna get high(and havent) i just wanted to have the w/ds ease the eff up because they are very hard..for me atleast. so then i did 200 mg of tram in the mornings for work the next 4 days and took nothing else but benzo and had a beer or 2 and smoke some reffer at night.again i want you guys to know at these low doses i still feel the w/d but the low doses are able to make them bareable and able to get through work! the benzo helps aswell cuz like i said anxiety so bad i feel like i wanted to ripp my face off at some points. this morning till i took some klon and only 2g of kratom i am finally feeling like a human for right now..this may not be the most orthodoxed way of doing things but i have bills to pay and a full time job to work and am desperatly trying to get clean! im not all the way there yet but im getting there and i know with my faith and support system i can do this...when people tell you youre better off withdrawaling off reg opiates like they told me when i first started the subutex i wish i woulda listened because the reality is if ida kicked the opiates without the sub the w/ds would be gone by now, but with subutex they will last up to a month and i had no knowledge of this until it was too late! Anyway, if anyone has takin the time to read this i thank you for your time and input..and i hope i havent broken any rules or anything because like i said im brand new here! wow just telling my story has lifted a brick off of my shoulders! God Bless you all! 11 days subutex free!!!!
 

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^^im sorry i cant read most of it but there seem to be some pretty nasty things said in there,cant read the whole thing cause half of the words are cut off..but idk if your just showing me an example of how long someones text can be or if this directed towards me..would love to have that cleared up please :) asap
 
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