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Social Justice Black Lives Matter Discussion Thread

PriestTheyCalledHim

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It is not surprising at all that the racist hate group black lives matter is pro-eugenics, and science denialists. These are the same poorly educated black people who believe that 'the government created HIV/AIDS!!1' or that they can get fucked RAW as much as they want by anyone or share IVs and stay negative, and that the toxic Truvada is a magic pill that will keep them neg from HIV and everything else and that condoms are not needed at all.

Iit should not surprise anyone that this idiot 'woman of colour' is an Islamist and went from one racist black supremacist hate group-the nation of Islam or black Islam that is black supremacist to another-black lives matter.

Recessive genes? Yeah lots of black people have sickle cell anemia.
 

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Getting to the point ...
First thing I noticed, everything in the article indicates she is a co-leader for the Toronto chapter. Therefore, not representative of the entire organization or movement, correct? I find nothing by googling her name that indicates she has a bigger position than Toronto's co-leader. If she were a real leader, she'd have been name recognition, and not just a localized voice.

Her rantings do appear to be racist, not much to argue about from the videos in the link. She's quite militant about her views and liberal about labelling nearly anyone as a white supremacist by their skin color, rather than by their actions. Again, she is a member and not the head of the movement. One can expect a spectrum of personalities within every movement. Is the the extreme, or the norm? I'd think she's an extreme example, otherwise you'd have heard of others spouting the same rhetoric.

"These are the same poorly educated black people who believe ..." I didn't catch her stating that in the linked vids, nor have I heard it from any others (BLM or anyone, tbh). How does it strengthen your post to assert such things without any links of proof to support it, on something that perhaps a few individuals believe but not an entire group (BLM, the black population, Canadians, any of them).
 

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Getting to the point ...
However, if this is to be the BLM thread...here's some more of their offering for your (collective forum members) consideration

Patrise Cullors, Co-Founder of the BLM movement, and admitted trained Marxist



And trouble may be a'brewin' for the DNC if BLM splits off to make it's own political party

Nolte: BET Founder Robert Johnson Calls for Independent Black Lives Matter Political Party

The good news is that someone with a credible voice in black America is finally speaking out against a Democrat Party that has not only taken the black vote for granted for more than half a century, but it is Democrat mayors who are solely responsible for every police department where deadly force has been used against an unarmed black American. What’s more, it is Democrats and left-wing celebrities who are always caught in blackface or using the N-word; it is the Democrat Party that runs every single city where black Americans are kept in poverty and despair. And as they defund the police, Democrats are about to once again prove just how little they care about black lives as they abandon black neighborhoods to rioters, gangs, cartels, looters, drug dealers, and armed criminals.
 

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I always thought it should be All Lives Matter, because black lives do matter but white, latino, asian etc lives also matter just as much.
"black lives matter" doesn't mean "other lives don't matter". "black lives matter" means "black lives matter too" not "only black lives matter".

if a friend told you "radiohead are awesome" would you think they were saying "radiohead are the only awesome band"?

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And trouble may be a'brewin' for the DNC if BLM splits off to make it's own political party
BLM have an unbelievable amount of political power right now.
It's worth remembering who funds them and where the money goes. Too many get wrapped up in the branding "black lives matter" *emotional trigger* "Of-of course I support black lives!!"

I'm gonna start a political party called "Puppies Are Cute".
There will be zero resistance to the PAC Party as everyone agrees that puppies are cute. If you disagree you must be a monster.
PAC will secretly be a marxist and totalitarian party funded by dodgy billionaires.
 

PriestTheyCalledHim

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"black lives matter" doesn't mean "other lives don't matter". "black lives matter" means "black lives matter too" not "only black lives matter".

if a friend told you "radiohead are awesome" would you think they were saying "radiohead are the only awesome band"?

alasdair
😂😹 You do not honestly believe that, do you? Black lives matter and the BLM supporters have ALWAYS been a black supremacist hate group and promoted racism, and as quiet as it's kept they only care about black Americans only. Yet refuse to speak out against black on black crime or murders, or about the Arab-African slave trade which has been going on for centuries long before the European slave trade happened, and the Arab-African slave trade still goes on today in 2020.

Black lives matter has never been about helping black people, or anyone of any race.

Dr Priyamvada Gopal, academic and Churchill fellow, tweeted, “abolish whiteness” and “I’ll say it again. White Lives Don’t Matter.”

 

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i'll agree to disagree.
Great argument.
It's easy to support BLM, harder to justify it.


This is a super interesting conversation I was just listening to of an intelligent black man who would definitely not be supporting BLM:

 

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I am utterly sick of identity politics. It is juvenile and immature, and becoming downright dangerous. Even tyranny.

We need to be driven by truth and reason. By ideas, by character and virtue. By things that matter to human civilization.

To me, the greatest contemporary obstacles to progress in today's world are two varieties of fanatical dictatorships - Islamic and Communist Chinese. Antifa/BLM are byproducts of these two.

Based on what I have discerned from numerous polls and the political positions of Black elected officials, it appears that a plurality/majority of Black people seem to be the most politically blind to these dangers, Hence, I view this section of the US population to be least worthy of support.

To me, all this racial blackmail is simply a cover to allow the most dangerous sects/cults to flourish. Civilized Lives Matter. All else is self-serving chicanery.

BLM is a classical Leninist organization. BLM's goal is political power. This current agitational phase is merely a means to an end. BLM considers itself akin to a Leninist Vanguard Grouping that will settle for nothing less than full state power.

Black Lives Matter leader states: 'if US 'doesn't give us what we want, then we will burn down this system'
 

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Some unpopular facts about BLM:

-BLM is not entirely non-profit. They have different chapters all operating fairly independently and many of them DO NOT have nonprofit 501(c)(3) status. They cannot account for hundreds of millions of dollars they have raked in since 2013. That money isn't going to schools nor is it going to help black communities in any meaningful way imo. For anyone interested, there are I think 4 chapters listed on the IRS website as charity organizations all considered small ( <$50k) and some haven't filed taxes since 2016 and are probably just on there to give them some sliver of credibility.

-Despite the fact that they make an enormous amount of money, they insist on defunding police departments in historically high crime areas. The result of doing this will undoubtedly be more violent crime in these neighborhoods and more innocent people dying. (But their lives don't matter-as long as they're not killed by a cop.) Crime in Ferguson Missouri nearly doubled since BLM protests there. In 2014 it was 9.5 murders per 100k people. In 2017 it was 52.9 per 100k people. 5x higher in 3 years. Absolutely insane. And I guess Missouri officials in 2018 decided they needed to deal with the mess they made. And guess who suffers from all of this? Black people who live there.

-BLM wants to get rid of charter schools. Charter schools which have long been an excellent alternative to regular public schools and which many low income black parents prefer to send their children to because of the higher quality of education their children receive and the safer environment. BLM's flimsy argument regarding this is that it takes away funding from regular public schools which are notoriously bad in certain areas. Instead of using the hundreds of millions of dollars they receive to help fund these schools, they would rather just rob parents of their choice to send their children to better schools.

-They support the destruction of communities as a reasonable response, disregarding the impact that it has on other members of those communities who rely on those stores, those banks, those restaurants, etc which get destroyed.

-They fail to use their platform to promote the incredible importance of young black people educating themselves and finishing school. Which is arguably the NUMBER ONE problem holding black communities back. 40% of black males drop out of high school. You don't need to be a genius to understand the long-term effects this has. Kids who don't finish school end up on the street doing dumb things and the cycles of crime and poverty perpetuate themselves in these communities.

-They don't give proper statistics. They claim blacks are unfairly targeted by the police and a black man is 2.5x more likely to get shot while failing to mention that more whites are killed every year by the police and if you are looking at percentage of criminal population, despite being only 13% of the population (males being only 6%) blacks are responsible for nearly 50% of all violent crime in this country. Don't believe me? Go on the FBI website. So instead they focus on a tiny number of cases in order to support their claim and no one refutes it because to do so in this day and age is to be labelled a RACIST.

I DO NOT trust BLM. I believe they are profiting off of people's compassion and guilt and that they don't really care about anyone's life except those at the top of the racist hate group organization BLM who are getting paid from all of this.

 

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First thing I noticed, everything in the article indicates she is a co-leader for the Toronto chapter. Therefore, not representative of the entire organization or movement, correct? I find nothing by googling her name that indicates she has a bigger position than Toronto's co-leader. If she were a real leader, she'd have been name recognition, and not just a localized voice.

Her rantings do appear to be racist, not much to argue about from the videos in the link. She's quite militant about her views and liberal about labelling nearly anyone as a white supremacist by their skin color, rather than by their actions. Again, she is a member and not the head of the movement. One can expect a spectrum of personalities within every movement. Is the the extreme, or the norm? I'd think she's an extreme example, otherwise you'd have heard of others spouting the same rhetoric.

"These are the same poorly educated black people who believe ..." I didn't catch her stating that in the linked vids, nor have I heard it from any others (BLM or anyone, tbh). How does it strengthen your post to assert such things without any links of proof to support it, on something that perhaps a few individuals believe but not an entire group (BLM, the black population, Canadians, any of them).
Isn't she the one who interrupted that gay pride parade and threatened to shut it down even though her and her group were already invited as honored guests?
 

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Isn't she the one who interrupted that gay pride parade and threatened to shut it down even though her and her group were already invited as honored guests?

I didn't know, but it appears you are correct. Per this article, there is an ongoing spat within the LA community on who is the better black person and who should lead a parade that involves Blacks and LGBTQ.

Plans for Sunday’s ‘All Black Lives Matter’ March Show a Rift in the LGBTQ Communities


First thing I noticed, everything in the article indicates she is a co-leader for the Toronto chapter. Therefore, not representative of the entire organization or movement, correct? I find nothing by googling her name that indicates she has a bigger position than Toronto's co-leader. If she were a real leader, she'd have been name recognition, and not just a localized voice.

And, from the article I linked, it frequently refers to Cullors as an LA resident and one of three founding members of the BLM movement. So my assertion here that she was a local Toronto leader is incorrect. Apologies to @PriestTheyCalledHim for my incorrect rebuttal on her importance to the organization.
 

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I think there is some truth to that black lives need to matter to black lives. But I think their communities are often lacking in certain people who they matter to...

Or at least, more often. So many children born out of wedlock. Lack of adult male supervision. A guy said this on a Youtube video, something about they lacked a father to rebel against (or other things) often.

I do not think their execution of any of this is at all... it's cumbersome.

And it provokes responses such as all lives matter, white lives matter, autistlivesmatter, slavlivesmatter, etc.

And they are radicals. And this was based off of an assumption that this Floyd incident was racially motivated, as if because Rayshard was black - THAT'S why he died (unless being black means more likely to do things like punch cops and take their taser)...

If you factor in all the numbers, one can understand why they match up. Blacks are like 8 times more likely to resist arrest than whites. A cop is 18 times more likely to be killed by a black man, than for an unarmed black man to be killed by police. Cops actually fire faster at whites. Blacks (cops) are quicker to pull the trigger for blacks.

Even if we can kick that nest - and we'll see that 'racism' every time, the way bias works is not just one direction, or with one net-result. It's not just positive, or negative, but by trying to be nice, you can compromise yourself. California just nixed a part of their constitution:

"The State shall not discriminate against, or grant preferential treatment to, any individual or group on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin in the operation of public employment, public education, or public contracting."

I was thinking tonight, another way this race stuff is difficult: I don't really take to liking every single person I come across. However, with black people, I am extra polite. If I don't like them, I feel like, there is something based on that pattern, and I feel guilty for it, in a way (I don't feel this way with white people - and I don't react like that at). I am not saying it is, but I think we've become confused in the mix. We apply one-standard for one, another for others.

I am not trying to dismiss that the black community is a vulnerable one in many respects - that has been damaged, especially in the United States. I also want to be careful as to not be misconstrued as thinking they're helpless, unable to choose some path. But my dad told me a story of when he was 20, and became the manager at the park pool, and the mayor called him and told him some black kids/families would be in line, my dad asked what to do - the mayor hung up. The ticket-taking woman left when my dad told her to sell them tickets. He sat down and sold tickets. That was the first day black people were allowed in the pool. That drove the reality home a little further, how recent that has been. My dad, another my age, or younger, could have a dad that experienced that.

There was a form a systemic oppression.

However - I cannot advocate for the groups to live together in the first place.

This doesn't mean I believe we can't be friends.

But they don't seem to be very friendly, at all (Black Lives Matter and all their co-activists or supporters), to us.

As for the way bias can work differently, that applies to the quoted part of the California constitution that got nixed. It was for "affirmative action". You can even more discriminate legally now against whites.

But also- Whites have mental disorders:





America's White Saviors

I don't think the group tested as "Liberal" is very based. They're also the most likely to support Black Lives Matter, I'd guess. They're the only group that was tested that favored outside groups more than in-group. It's quite whack. If you look at the graphic for blacks, and every other group, even their in-group bias is higher than white conservatives.

So the situation is far more complicated than people are giving it credit for.

I think perhaps something(s) could be done, structurally, and perhaps it's been calling for it for a long time. But I don't think it's being handled rightly, from the protestors, the Antifa, the rioters and looters and vandals, and I don't think we have a strong voice in government, that will calm people. There's too much opposition. And part of it is this chaos system.

I do not advocate for multiculturalism, or mixing of races on this level (not to say I don't understand advocating tolerance - and that can be a slippery slope again to what I don't advocate...).

And if it were to come to defend myself or submit to them, I'd defend myself. And I feel no shame in saying if I had to choose one "race" to live it would be the people generally identified as "white". And this has become an attack on it, and the well-being of whites, in some way.

Also, here is a thread of videos of black on white violence. You will not find anything like it in the reverse.


#LifeMatters
 
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BLM leader says group developing highly trained "military" arm for "war on police"

'We prepare to stop these murders by any means necessary.' Black Lives Matter leader declares war on police and group is 'training our people to defend our communities' in Black Panther style armed 'patrols'

This isn't helping their cause. If they declared a war on black gang members then everyone would support them.

But truth/solutions is not the agenda here - it is more war and chaos, and convincing idiots to support movements which lead us down that path.
 
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