...Methadone/Suboxone/Subutex are just substitutes that the State benefits from financially and IMO those drugs are way harder and more damaging to the body than say pure opiates like Codeine...
Curiously, how is it
codeine a "pure" opiate? As compared with any other?
![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
You mean naturally occurring right (albeit in very minimal amount from the poppy plan)? In fact majority of the codeine used medicinally is synthesised - much quicker, cheaper and easier that way. So the codeine you're putting in your mouth to get high, I'm sorry but it's "pure" but your (or any) definition. So if to say by your (bolded) quote essentially "natural products are good and healthy" and "synthetic products are bad and unhealthy" - this really is tired and worn out. I really don't know where to begin to correct this other than to say read more (from BL,
Science-Based Medicine, basic processees in the fields of biology/anatomy/biochemistry/patho - that should give you at least a base to form evidence-based theories/hypotheses/ideas on)
Firstly, to begin with, you
cannot compare Australia's drug-rehab facilities/programs to those in Australia. There are too many disparities between them to even start tbh!
These programs ARE (and definition in my personal safe) life-safers! The pro's outweigh any against any con which
may be found.
If you're referring to the "damage" being any more greater or less than any other opiate, you're wrong. Biochemically one could say they're in fact "softer" on the body being a partial agonist (in fact
buprenorphine is an partial agonist/antagonist), having just one (
safe) ROA, the types opiate-subtypes.
When talking about Suboxone; the mere fact that it's in a combination solution (with )
prevents abuse - you cannot get high* off them, IV is out of the question as the Naloxone binds just as readily as and any other ROA will
not allow a higher BA of the buprenorphine than Naloxone! Your required dose will be organised via consultation.
Although methadone and (straight) buprenorphine
are prescribed***; unless there is a specific cause for you
not to be put on Suboxone - usually due to the Naloxone with people having allergic rxns, pregnancy, D/D-interactions (very rare), etc. - you won't prescribed them (methadone or a preparation with just buprenorphine in it). Needless to say, if you are truely wanting to quit and were given Suboxone/Subutex, it wouldn't (shouldn't) worry you that you've been given a drug of extra "freedoms" such as a much higher abuse potential. Right?!
Although ORT (though it's not called ORT here, I forget what we now call it) is State funded - I would not say in the least they "benefit" from ANY of the ORT/needle exchange/etc-type programs!! The proven epidemiology and public health care HR/HM projects and activities are too complicated to go into atm (at this time of night) but believe me the costs of these three drugs Methadone/Suboxone/Subutex are one of the cheapest and benefits seen (don't just think about the proximal, "the dude just got off drug x", benefits but look further way beyond that. It's there where the benefits make their most important effect!)
In fact the Chemist/Pharmacy you go to get dosed doesn't themselves pay for it (they're charging you a "working" fee since you're tying up a Pharmacists while they are dosing you). When you start on a program, (depending ALL the large number of variables which you would have in your situation) you are given a choice for a 7-day rapid detox or (more appropriate for long time, heavy users) continuous, titrated use over x amount of years (the amount again is determined when you under go through the program's entry process and what mg's you are stabalised on).
Anyway polo792, whether it's your first try to get off the stuff, or 100th, at least you've giving it a bash and attempting to get things straight! Let me know which state you're in and I'm more than happy to PM you some information which can get you start on your journey on getting clean! Regardless, hit me back (PM me) if you wanna chat about anything, whatcha going though, etc. (Not to diminish what you've gone thourhg but) There's many people on here who've been/seen/etc through the eact same thing.
Goodluck bro!
* any higher than the threshold, upper limit of 32mg.
** from my last reading you've even be put on buprenorphine and not methadone. Buprenorphine is safer on the growing embryo. But that's from reading so don't quote me on it.
*** For new pt's to the program!
