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Are non-believers doomed by Divine Design?

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Are non-believers doomed by Divine Design?

Scriptures say that God decides if a person will be a believer or non-believer. Those scriptures are shown in this link.



Those quotes seems to really screw up the free will notion that Christians say God gives us.

The free will that God offers is kind of a joke anyway given the number of people whose free will to live is ignored in the billions of adults, children and babies that God is shown to torture and murder in scriptures.

If the bible and Yahweh are to be believed, and as a non-believer, I, of course, cannot believe it, thanks to God, by God’s design and will against me, then why did God deny me belief or faith?

Even more important to believers, might be to answer the question of; did God make you a believer in things that you can only hope exists and can never confirm?

Are you happy with God ignoring or negating your free will to think as you please?

I have assumed that God’s work of creating both believers and non-believers is working. If that is so, and you believers must think it so, just as I as a non-believer cannot think it is working, --- and Jesus said that those with faith could do all he did and more, --- then the is is not even one believer or person of faith that has ever existed.

Either the bible and Christianity is all a lie, or there must be some who can do what Jesus did.

What is your choice of those two options?

Is the bible and Christianity a lie, or is God just not creating any people with faith, --- which would make all Christians who say they have faith, --- liars.

I mean no insult here but someone is definitely lying, if we read what is written and look at reality and listen to Christians.

What do you think is the truth?

Is it just for God to create people doomed to hell even if they wanted to believe?

Regards
DL
 
scriptures are meh

Knowing IS Awesome.

Eat some mushrooms and ask to see the all that is. If you can't understand there is Concious Intelligence that is running the universe regardless of whether we believe or not, well. I dunno what to tell you
 
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yepyepwoah said:
scriptures are meh

Knowing IS Awesome.

Eat some mushrooms and ask to see the all that is. If you can't understand there is Concious Intelligence that is running the universe regardless of whether we believe or not, well. I dunno what to tell you
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There is only one thing that you will ever see when taking psychedelic drugs, and that is you.
If you think you saw anything that wasn't you, you did not.
 
Phobos said:
There is only one thing that you will ever see when taking psychedelic drugs, and that is you.
If you think you saw anything that wasn't you, you did not.
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that's not quite true though - I saw the moon when I was on shrooms but, unless I'm very much mistaken, I'm not the moon

Edit - apologies for pedantry
 
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ageingpartyfiend said:
that's not quite true though - I saw the moon when I was on shrooms but, unless I'm very much mistaken, I'm not the moon

Edit - apologies for pedantry
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I was referring to visions, not implying that psychedelic drugs make you blind.
If it was the real moon that you saw on shrooms, well, then you didn't see anything you wouldn't see otherwise.
If it was not, it was your fantasy of a moon.
 
Doubtful. I have Eastern European friends who they and their families for a century or more were forced to be atheist because their countries were part of the USSR/CCCP, and practising or being suspected of practising any religion/spirituality, or alternative philosophy would get them tortured, killed, or put into horrible prison camps or prisons that would make them wish they had been killed, and they had no choice
 
PriestTheyCalledHim said:
Doubtful. I have Eastern European friends who they and their families for a century or more were forced to be atheist because their countries were part of the USSR/CCCP, and practising or being suspected of practising any religion/spirituality, or alternative philosophy would get them tortured, killed, or put into horrible prison camps or prisons that would make them wish they had been killed, and they had no choice
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Its almost hypocritical of communism to be like that. Let's take Karl Marx's teachings,they're very similar to the messages of christianity.

Similarities between Marxism and Christianity

antispirituality.net
 
The Bible is revisionist and flawed.

This explains the paradox you're noticing.

You can patch up the holes by referencing other religions that have not been prone to the same corruptions, since the underlying principles are universal.
 
yepyepwoah said:
scriptures are meh

Knowing IS Awesome.

Eat some mushrooms and ask to see the all that is. If you can't understand there is Concious Intelligence that is running the universe regardless of whether we believe or not, well. I dunno what to tell you
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I see your thinking as supernatural and thus speculative nonsense.

Show a logic trail for your belief.
Not that you have one. Right?

Come. Let us reason together.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvBxFXQy7-M

Regards
DL
 
Foreigner said:
The Bible is revisionist and flawed.

This explains the paradox you're noticing.

You can patch up the holes by referencing other religions that have not been prone to the same corruptions, since the underlying principles are universal.
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Yes.
Looking at good thinking based religions show us the corruption in the homophobic and misogynous religions like Christianity and Islam.

Regards
DL
 
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