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Are benzos completely unknown in the UK/Ireland by most people?

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There's a whole discussison of kratom here https://www.bluelight.org/xf/thread...hy-no-reports-of-positivity-from-more.892474/

Most people find it's a very hit and miss herb. On occasion I've felt something from it, but often it does nothing, or I suspect it's just the placebo effect.

Never tried Kava, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's banned here. They ban everything
I live in UK, I have been successfully ordering top quality kava from multiple Vendors for a year now, US, Poland, Canada, and New Zealand.

It is not legal for human consumption in the UK, but there is a Kava culture here and I have tons of it.

Very underknown psychoactive herb kava is still.

Kratom is 100 times more widely known than kava.

Kratom is physically addictive, has nasty withdrawals, and other negatives, but despite that, for very many people worldwide, kratom has been a godsend for pain relief for conditions like Arthiritis, Fibromyalgia.

Kava is not at all physically addictive. No withdrawals or physical dependance. It is much cleaner and friendlier to the body.

Kava, the benefits outweigh the negatives, which are not exactly negatives, just that nothing in life is perfect, for everybody, all the time.

Kratom has some- "per se" plain black and white negatives.

Two very very different herbs.

One guy on Kavaforums imports and distributes Kava fully legally, in the UK, as a pet supplement.

I use him as a source for the pet remedy, but I also shop around, personally discovered all my available global options, and get my own kava as well.

Call it initiative.

Many people have successfully quit alcoholism with kava's help and never looked back.

Many other drug addictions too, like benzos, heroin, opiates etc.

Without kava being physically addictive, zero withdrawals, and actually a multitude of medicinal properties- anti cancerous, anti inflammatory and more.

But still, the wide world of medicinal and recreational herb and substance explorers, remains largely unaware even of the existence of kava, let alone anything about it.
 
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There's a whole discussison of kratom here https://www.bluelight.org/xf/thread...hy-no-reports-of-positivity-from-more.892474/

Most people find it's a very hit and miss herb. On occasion I've felt something from it, but often it does nothing, or I suspect it's just the placebo effect.

Never tried Kava, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's banned here. They ban everything
-YES EUREKA!
Kava Kava works and it's legal in England I think, search Amazon or Ebay. There all kinds of strains and potency and "Kava-bars" all over, it affects the "gaba system" similar to benzos and alcohol but not as strong.

For me personally it works as a medium strength anxiolytic but it is not strong enough to knock me out, my insomnia needs serious medication basically nothing works a 100% and if it does Im so groggy the next day that it defeats the whole purpose. 😳
 

mascotalf

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People here in Ireland typically don't have a clue about benzos. The last 10 years all i ever heard about them was ''D10s man' with them knowing nothing about it whatsoever.
If you have a brain you should at least know Xanax and Valium. But if you said to say a college student 'do you want some Etizolam, Rivotril, or a Zimovane etc..) they wouldn't have a clue.
The newer generation are becoming familiar with RC Xanax so that could have Flualp or Etiz in it but they wouldn't know what it is, just call it Xanax 2mg..
I'm luckily prescribed Xanax, Halcion and Pregabalin but that took years to get to this script, going thru Rivotril, Zolpidem and others. It's rare that anyone in Ireland gets prescribed any benzo now from an Irish GP as they are third line options after SSRI's or Mirtazipine if your lucky.
The new online benzo's are unbelievably strong, the RC ones. And people in Dublin are selling the ALKO-1's (Nike ticks, Tranax) You probly seen the little silver packets littered all over Dublin
Really only the ones that know benzo's are the older ones. Mammys little helper, moggies etc..
But benzo use is just going to become more restricted imo, esp with the new internet ones around
 

Forever Changes

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I live in UK, I have been successfully ordering top quality kava from multiple Vendors for a year now, US, Poland, Canada, and New Zealand.

It is not legal for human consumption in the UK, but there is a Kava culture here and I have tons of it.

Very underknown psychoactive herb kava is still.

Kratom is 100 times more widely known than kava.

Kratom is physically addictive, has nasty withdrawals, and other negatives, but despite that, for very many people worldwide, kratom has been a godsend for pain relief for conditions like Arthiritis, Fibromyalgia.

Kava is not at all physically addictive. No withdrawals or physical dependance. It is much cleaner and friendlier to the body.

Kava, the benefits outweigh the negatives, which are not exactly negatives, just that nothing in life is perfect, for everybody, all the time.

Kratom has some- "per se" plain black and white negatives.

Two very very different herbs.

One guy on Kavaforums imports and distributes Kava fully legally, in the UK, as a pet supplement.

I use him as a source for the pet remedy, but I also shop around, personally discovered all my available global options, and get my own kava as well.

Call it initiative.

Many people have successfully quit alcoholism with kava's help and never looked back.

Many other drug addictions too, like benzos, heroin, opiates etc.

Without kava being physically addictive, zero withdrawals, and actually a multitude of medicinal properties- anti cancerous, anti inflammatory and more.

But still, the wide world of medicinal and recreational herb and substance explorers, remains largely unaware even of the existence of kava, let alone anything about it.

what effects does Kava give you when you take it?

And I've read that it can cause liver damge - is this just an internet myth?
 
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what effects does Kava give you when you take it?

And I've read that it can cause liver damge - is this just an internet myth?
It's a myth, (or you can get liver damage from the leafs) make sure to buy from a reputable vendor and not the cheapest stuff you can find. I was into it for a while before I got scripts from the doctors. See if you have a Kava bar in London, it's a really nice vibe in those places kind of like a crossover in between a pub and a coffee-shop with out all the smoke!
And they usually provide different strains and concentrated stuff.
 

Forever Changes

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It's a myth, (or you can get liver damage from the leafs) make sure to buy from a reputable vendor and not the cheapest stuff you can find. I was into it for a while before I got scripts from the doctors. See if you have a Kava bar in London, it's a really nice vibe in those places kind of like a crossover in between a pub and a coffee-shop with out all the smoke!
And they usually provide different strains and concentrated stuff.

it's illegal to sell it for human consumption in the UK so I don't think there'll be any Kava bars, unless they're for animals!
 

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Indeed, @Forever Changes I have never heard mention of a single kava bar in UK. As you say, it's illegal for human consumption, so you would have to take your dog lol.

Kava totally wastes me when I have enough. It is primarily used for anxiety and mood lift, but also depending on the cultivar, can be remarkably sociable in it's effects, similar to alcohol but with a clear and sharp mind.

However I always combine my kava with Etizolam.

One aspect of kava- it very strongly potentiates benzos, and there is a strong synergy between the effects.

Kava can numb you up physically, relax you, lift your mood, it affects brain chemicals like dopamine, serotonin and especially gaba. Best way to learn about kava- nobody ever told me anything about it.

I just read up on it, and started using it to acquire my own education.

Different cultivars of kava, from different vendors, can be like the difference between different strains of weed.

Some are heavy and more knockout. Others are very heady and euphoric and sociable. It can take some trials to find what you like and what works best for you.

There are some kavas here which I am not keen on at all, some which I really like. Even more so than with different cannabis strains.

And yes also as pointed out above by @Random-dude-from-internet Amazon.com do ship kava to you very promptly and securely.

I ordered from them once, buy only from that one particular, reputable vendor.

Beware of just buying any old cheap kava, especially on Amazon.
Better to go straight to a quality, tested source.

The whole liver damage thing- is more equivocation and distortion/misrepresentation of the facts.

Two basic types of kava- Tudei, as in, use only every two days at most, and which causes more side effects like nausea, but is stronger, but essentially in this form is capable of causing liver harm.

Very uncommonly is tudei kava sought and consumed.

And Noble kava, which is what people typically use, and when used not in conjunction with other hepatoxic agents, specifically alcohol, can be perfectly safe for the liver.

Basically, in countries like the UK, there is such a lack of understanding about kava and it's pharmacological and medicinal properties, and this equivocated, exaggerated, part myth about the whole liver toxicity thing, has just served as fuel to make it very convenient and easy to ban it for human consumption.

Pathetic, meddling controlling authority bullshit, outright and completely.

But at the top of the ladder, be sure the hidden manipulating hand knows very well that noble kava is perfectly safe for just about everyone, non alcohol drinkers at least.
 
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