Am researchng for an essay on porn and am wondering how some stuff on pornohub is even legal????

[MrsGamp]

I refer to (what I assume) is fake child porn - eg the massive "Teen" category, and subcategory "Exxxxxtra Small Teens".

I haven't watched any of the vid, just seen the titles andpromo images ... for eg, "She is Not Used to Suck a Dick" shows a girl who looks abvout 12 or 13 having a massive dick thrust into her face - which looks likem a distinctly unhappy and anxious face ...

No doubt pornohub legally guards its ass when it comes to this sort of thing ... but I am not at all sure how they could guarantee that all the girls are really 18. To be honest I am too nervous to investigate much further even for research purposes ... plus it's also making me feel pretty fucking outraged with men. And Pornohub.

Why is anyone surprised or shocked about male child sex abuse when the desire to have sex with children ("teens") is being blatantly promoted on mainstream sites like Pornohub ... or at least (implicitly) acknowledged as "okay"?

The catefory "teen", by the way, has about 5 times as many videos as any other category on the site except for "Hardcore" (which is too broad to be a true "category", obviously, and could include just about anything ....

Thoughts anyone?

Btw I am not getting ready to sledge people who watch porn per se. Just aghast, though, at the huge emphasis on sex with underage girls in mainstream porn for straight males.

 

[Soso78]

Yes there’s lots of paedophiles around that enjoy thst stuff. Even if it’s legal It’s one step away from watching child porn.
im a member of a group that have decoy children and trap nonces by pretending to be underage. It’s amazing how common it is.

 

[BK38]

@DeadManWalkin' - what's your hot take?

 

[LordOfThisWorld]

Pedophiles are scum of the Earth, and should be executed, there is no cure for these animals and they only repeat the offense once released.

I agree with you MrsGamp, I don't know how these pornsites are allowed to show stuff like this even if the girls are 18 and pretending to be younger, it's still promoting pedophilia, and its why we have scum like Epstein and his buddies.

 

[Jabberwocky]

While not defending the porn industry in any way I would point out that in most of the Western world the age of consent is 16. So that leaves the ages of 16-19 fair game for men who desire the youngest sexual partner possible. That said, the legal age to participate in porn in most countries is 18. So there is a fairly immoral sleight of hand going on casting 18+ year olds with the inference that they may only be 16.

Also, while I don’t think that even 18 year old people are sufficiently mature to give genuinely informed consent to participating in porn it is fact that (a) many 16 year old girls are willingly sexually active and (b) some subset of these girls are prepared to sleep with older men either for instrumental reasons or because their tastes run that way. So there is a subset of older men with tastes for very young women that intersects wth a subset of very young women prepared to have sex with older men. While very distasteful to many people, and probably quite alarming if it your 16 year old daughter, there is nothing illegal about any of that. As such, this kind of porn is reflecting reality in some way.

Having lived in Asia for a long time I have always been surprised by the apparent interest of young and beautiful women in much older men. At first I thought it was because those women were after RICH older men to look after them. However, looking into it in much more detail, it seems that in these countries women are understood to be significantly more mature at a given age than men are. Consequently, it is thought that younger mature women should be matched with older later maturing men in order to create a partnership of emotional equals. In these countries there is very little stigma about a man seeking a partnership with a woman 10-15 years his junior and vice versa with women being considered marriageable at 18 and men as they approach 30.

 

[LordOfThisWorld]

Traci Lords was 15 when she started doing porn.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Traci Lords was 15 when she started doing porn.

I don’t think that could ever happen again in US-made porn. However I think there is still a lot of exploitation of minors in Asian porn that makes its way to Pornhub. Especially in so-called Amateur Porn.

 

[LadyAlkaline]

Yes there’s lots of paedophiles around that enjoy thst stuff. Even if it’s legal It’s one step away from watching child porn.
im a member of a group that have decoy children and trap nonces by pretending to be underage. It’s amazing how common it is.

Are you able to get their info to the authorities?

I have a very seriously long list of sick fucks who have asked me for pictures of little girls and shit

 

[Soso78]

Are you able to get their info to the authorities?

I have a very seriously long list of sick fucks who have asked me for pictures of little girls and shit

They arrange to meet and are held until police arrive. Phones get took off them do nothing can be deleted and it’s all there. Conversation where decoy explains she’s like 11 or 12 and they still carry on. It’s fuckin disgusting. Once arrested warrant usually issued to seize computers/laptops and its game over.

 

[Jabberwocky]

@Soso78 thank you. i had an ex who was sexually abused as a child so seen the damage it does first hand and i wish someone had made an effort to bring justice to the perpetrator.

 

[LadyAlkaline]

They arrange to meet and are held until police arrive. Phones get took off them do nothing can be deleted and it’s all there. Conversation where decoy explains she’s like 11 or 12 and they still carry on. It’s fuckin disgusting. Once arrested warrant usually issued to seize computers/laptops and its game over.

If y'all need volunteers I'll be happy to set these bastards up

 

[MrsGamp]

While not defending the porn industry in any way I would point out that in most of the Western world the age of consent is 16. So that leaves the ages of 16-19 fair game for men who desire the youngest sexual partner possible. That said, the legal age to participate in porn in most countries is 18. So there is a fairly immoral sleight of hand going on casting 18+ year olds with the inference that they may only be 16.

Also, while I don’t think that even 18 year old people are sufficiently mature to give genuinely informed consent to participating in porn it is fact that (a) many 16 year old girls are willingly sexually active and (b) some subset of these girls are prepared to sleep with older men either for instrumental reasons or because their tastes run that way. So there is a subset of older men with tastes for very young women that intersects wth a subset of very young women prepared to have sex with older men. While very distasteful to many people, and probably quite alarming if it your 16 year old daughter, there is nothing illegal about any of that. As such, this kind of porn is reflecting reality in some way.

Having lived in Asia for a long time I have always been surprised by the apparent interest of young and beautiful women in much older men. At first I thought it was because those women were after RICH older men to look after them. However, looking into it in much more detail, it seems that in these countries women are understood to be significantly more mature at a given age than men are. Consequently, it is thought that younger mature women should be matched with older later maturing men in order to create a partnership of emotional equals. In these countries there is very little stigma about a man seeking a partnership with a woman 10-15 years his junior and vice versa with women being considered marriageable at 18 and men as they approach 30.

If you saw some of the stuff I just saw during a 60 second look at the "Teens" category on Pornhub, I am sure you'd agree that this stuff is vile.

I must admit I did not watch any of the videos - just looked at some promo pics and captions. Some of the material appeared to be about girls who looked around 16 being "willingly sexually active" - albeit whilst in their school uniforms, with hair in pig tails etc. In other words, infantilisation was critical.

But even more disturbingly, in the "Exxxxtra Tiny Teen" subsection, there were many images of girls who (whatever their real age) were clearly meant to pass as 12 or even younger. Again, I didn't actually watch any of the clips, but from the promos I gathered there were two main themes:
- little girls being raped or at least unwillingly "initiated" - eg "She is Not Used to Suck a Dick" (sic, see OP), in which no male faces were visible, just massive penises, or -
- little girls cheerfully consenting to sex in "suburban house" settings. In these the men's faces and bodies (clothed) were shown - in order, I felt, to characterise them as "Daddies".

I am not exaggerating.

I get what you are saying about age of consent and yes, tis true that many girls aged 16 - or even younger - are psychologically ready for sex. Some may even be interested in much older men ...

That cuts boths way of course. When I was 36 I was giving private English tuition to a 16 y/o boy who persistently played footsies with me under the table and other flirtatious stuff ... to what extent he meant it, I don't know. It was indeed embarrassing because he looked like he was in his early 20s, and I couldn't help but feel a flicker of response (I certainly blushed!)

But surely, when the age difference is so pronounced, and when the kid so obviously doesn't know what the fuck they're really doing .,.. the general rule for the much older person should be "absolutely not, hands off"?

Even if I'd been 26, not 36, it still would've been totally inappropriate to take advantage of this child. A 16 year old is a child, even if legally capable of consent. It would be different with another 16 year old, or an 18 year old ...

It's a contentious area, of course. I have a feeling that the Pornhub issue aside (and I'm sure everyone who saw what I saw would concur that such "fake" kiddy porn is reprehensible) - that aside, there's a question or principle here that needs formulating, or clarifiying ...

Right now the best I can do is to refer to the popular catchphrase "barely legal". IMO, for a big grown up person to have sex with someone who is "barely legal" may be legal, but it still seems wrong.

 

[MrsGamp]

If y'all need volunteers I'll be happy to set these bastards up

There is an online petition you can sign if you wish ... to remove Pornhub from Internet ... but yeah, like that'll happen.

The "ban Pornhub" movement has arisen in response to allegations that Pornhub has published videos made by child sex traffickers - see:

Pornhub Verified Child Sex Trafficking.

Pornhub Verified Child Sex Trafficking.This is not a site deserving of Section 230 protections.

humanevents.com

Whoops, here is petition link too - I signed it, but tbh I doubt very much it's going to destroy Pornhub ... still, like me, you might want to sign on principle!

Sign the Petition

Shut Down Pornhub and Hold Its Executives Accountable for Aiding Trafficking

www.change.org

 

[MsDiz]

Netflix has that french movie “Cuties” out and it’s horrendous. Those are actual children and yet it’s released? I think actually they’ve been indicated by a Texan court over that film for refusing to take the movie down.

 

[MrsGamp]

Argh! I have heard of this "Cuties" thing ... but not much. For some reason I vaguely thought it was like porno-Pixar!

 

[Jabberwocky]

Netflix has that french movie “Cuties” out and it’s horrendous. Those are actual children and yet it’s released? I think actually they’ve been indicated by a Texan court over that film for refusing to take the movie down.

yeah, this is the thing we should be worried about. you're spot on here. there's actual child abuse going on around world.
porn industry is degenerate and there will always be fetizes, nothing can stop it.
you can do your own part by not watching it.
it's anyways harmful and it's getting cuck'd,.

 

[Soso78]

If y'all need volunteers I'll be happy to set these bastards up

It’s quite distressing for the women that pretend to be the child. Some do it because they have suffered abuse themselves. It’s sad really as it has taken over their lives. I’m just happy if it makes people aware theirs a paedophile living on there street.
some of these stings have exposed drs and teachers who were getting away with it for years.

 

[atara]

Why is anyone surprised or shocked about male child sex abuse when the desire to have sex with children ("teens") is being blatantly promoted on mainstream sites like Pornohub ... or at least (implicitly) acknowledged as "okay"?

Quite the contrary: a big draw in porn videos is to show things that are not okay. There are simply too many examples of porn tropes breaking taboos for us to ignore that the taboo is the point: incest, fighting, cheating, quasi-pedophilia and, of course, apparently nonconsensual acts.

There are, of course, plenty of theories about why people become attracted to children, but the question of why pornography depicts specifically immoral actions must deserve its own answer. (Also, pedophilia existed long before the invention of videography!)

In many cases, it is important for the porn video to make the watcher feel a little uncomfortable, because activation of the sympathetic nervous system is crucial to orgasm. We're all familiar with this on some level; sex that is too easy just isn't quite right. So this is one way to accomplish that. Watching porn is a pretty boring activity, so the video has to provide both reward and stress. But the mind tends to correct for unnecessary stress, which means that if you watch porn frequently, you need a more stressful video, etc.

Unnecessary reward is attenuated much less: you can play the same video game for weeks. It's the stress that you have to chase. Some puritans have suggested that because of "dopamine" (why is it always dopamine?) porn is too rewarding, but lots of activities are rewarding (and release dopamine), and porn is not a drug. The problem people have, as I understand it, is that to cause an orgasm you need discomfort, and since your mind always works to reduce its own discomfort, excessively seeking recreation this way puts your mind at odds with itself, leading to a contest between the circuits that are trying to ignore the obviously-unnecessary discomfort, and the circuits that want it to proceed because orgasm.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

I wouldn't know MrsGamp. My searches consist solely of 'Mature', 'BBW' and 'MILF'.

But I'm not familiar with pornhub. My go to visual masturbatory aid is Xhamster and I've not noticed anything particularly dodgy on there. From what little I've seen of the teen section, the women look like adults even if they're wearing pigtails and sucking lollipops - which is a right turn off...

 

[MrsGamp]

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Quite the contrary: a big draw in porn videos is to show things that are not okay. There are simply too many examples of porn tropes breaking taboos for us to ignore that the taboo is the point: incest, fighting, cheating, quasi-pedophilia and, of course, apparently nonconsensual acts.

There are, of course, plenty of theories about why people become attracted to children, but the question of why pornography depicts specifically immoral actions must deserve its own answer. (Also, pedophilia existed long before the invention of videography!)

In many cases, it is important for the porn video to make the watcher feel a little uncomfortable, because activation of the sympathetic nervous system is crucial to orgasm. We're all familiar with this on some level; sex that is too easy just isn't quite right. So this is one way to accomplish that. Watching porn is a pretty boring activity, so the video has to provide both reward and stress. But the mind tends to correct for unnecessary stress, which means that if you watch porn frequently, you need a more stressful video, etc.

Unnecessary reward is attenuated much less: you can play the same video game for weeks. It's the stress that you have to chase. Some puritans have suggested that because of "dopamine" (why is it always dopamine?) porn is too rewarding, but lots of activities are rewarding (and release dopamine), and porn is not a drug. The problem people have, as I understand it, is that to cause an orgasm you need discomfort, and since your mind always works to reduce its own discomfort, excessively seeking recreation this way puts your mind at odds with itself, leading to a contest between the circuits that are trying to ignore the obviously-unnecessary discomfort, and the circuits that want it to proceed because orgasm.

A very intelligent post ... the fantasy of porn is that there's nothing except fantasy ... which ironically means entering into the fantasy as not-fantasy ... but as the only Reality ... the Pseudo Principle, The Nothing Else Matters.

"No conscience" is to some extent the principle of masturbation.

The taboo and shock value are often necessary elements of the erotic.

BUT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, no children or pseudo-children.

will I get shouted down if I suggest that men are able to be more detatched and cerebral on this issue because they cannot identify with the little girls/mock little girls?