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Benzos Alprozalam - What's The Big Deal

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Really not a problem. Seriously hope you had a good night and are taking care though. From what I gather you're a bit of a legend around these parts. Respect to you.
I'm so sorry, dalpat, I mixed you up with somebody else and was half nodding while I did that. So sorry!!

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Benzos are amazing (as I understand) for people with anxiety disorders, basically the removal of anxiety is the best high someone can have if they are always anxious. For those of us without anxiety disorders, benzos are boring drugs best used to halt an anxiety attack, or come down from drugs, or sleep. I remember the first time I tried Xanax, I was so excited because of the hype, and all I could think was that I must be missing something. But no, the benzo "high" is shit compared to almost all other drugs. They do serve a purpose though, I always keep etizolam on hand for drug comedowns and insomnia.
Hi Xorkoth,

I do not have anxiety problems, but still benzos are my DOC ( and Cocaine). I think for me as having ADHD i like the calm feeling they give me, taking away my nervosity and so on. What a shit they are so dangerous.

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I had one of those once... when I moved I lost him though. It seems difficult to find a doctor who actually cares and doesn't just give you 15 minutes of half-assed thought and then forgets all about you.
... and a GP you can talk to at eye level and also discuss things, he should be happy about it. But I know how it runs.... There is 1 in 1000 physicians that are like that.
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Benzos are amazing (as I understand) for people with anxiety disorders, basically the removal of anxiety is the best high someone can have if they are always anxious. For those of us without anxiety disorders, benzos are boring drugs best used to halt an anxiety attack, or come down from drugs, or sleep. I remember the first time I tried Xanax, I was so excited because of the hype, and all I could think was that I must be missing something. But no, the benzo "high" is shit compared to almost all other drugs. They do serve a purpose though, I always keep etizolam on hand for drug comedowns and insomnia.
This makes so much sense and my experience was the same, what am I missing questions. I have never understood the appeal to benzos, but that definitely makes sense.
 

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My eyesight isn't as hot as it used to be (nothing major i.e. just something that comes from reaching 55 but I did notice the same thing a few years ago also when I was on Alprozalam) and I promise you that Alprozalam improves my eyesight (and no: I'm not on anything else! Lol!). Anybody else ever noticed this?
I wonder if the blood pressure lowering, if it's high with anxiety, allows blood vessels to function better in the eye. I can't think of any other correlation off the top of my head, but I suppose there could be some other odd nuances possible.
 

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I just wantet to tell you that no gp will prescibe ADHD-Meds. This is the Psychs tihing after a positive good diagnostic.

JJ
Interesting statement. I’m prescribed ADD meds, + antidepressants, + opiates and until I quit taking them recently, also benzos. When my psychiatrist of many years had to close his practice as he learned he had pancreatic cancer, I was getting everything from my GP. She changed up some of the meds listed above.
I have never experienced any high with benzos and I don’t really see how one could. If I take too much, I just fall asleep. I’ve taken Valium, Ativan, Klonopin and Xanax. I have had 4 periods of Agoraphobia in my life, the first starting at age 6, and I am grateful I was able to get the help I needed.
I think a lot of psychology is weird BS, and growing up with a Psychologist mom and a Psychiatrist dad, I saw this in action. Whenever we did something bad, my mom would say, “What was the impetus for this behavior?” Then she’d ask us how we thought we should be punished. Because she enjoyed our thinking process, pretty much whatever we described as fair penalty for bad behavior she went for.
But, as weird as it was having these 2 wacky peeps as parents, I’m so thankful that they recognized I needed help when I was so young. I think, were it not for benzos and therapy, I’d likely be locked inside my house. Agoraphobia is a socially crippling disorder. I hate when it rears its ugly head in my life. Nothing cures it, but benzos manage it brilliantly. Benzos mean that I’m able to do all the things that normal people do.
 

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I have no anxiety issue, but Benzos are my DOC since 12 years. Believe it or not :) Besides Cocaine. That's the only stimulant. I have ADHD and for my its also a relieve, I think this is why I take them. And of course, XANAX are my favourites, because they are a little hypnotic and do not sedate me but have a paradox effect on me. I'm very talkative, friendly, talk to everybody and do things i wanted to do since months.

But now i want to push the Benzos with GABA A, VitB6 and L-Tryptophane - and I don't know if this couldnt cause a Serotonin-Syndrom because I'm on 20 mg Escitalopram daily.

Can anybody help me with that questions?

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Interesting statement. I’m prescribed ADD meds, + antidepressants, + opiates and until I quit taking them recently, also benzos. When my psychiatrist of many years had to close his practice as he learned he had pancreatic cancer, I was getting everything from my GP. She changed up some of the meds listed above.
I have never experienced any high with benzos and I don’t really see how one could. If I take too much, I just fall asleep. I’ve taken Valium, Ativan, Klonopin and Xanax. I have had 4 periods of Agoraphobia in my life, the first starting at age 6, and I am grateful I was able to get the help I needed.
I think a lot of psychology is weird BS, and growing up with a Psychologist mom and a Psychiatrist dad, I saw this in action. Whenever we did something bad, my mom would say, “What was the impetus for this behavior?” Then she’d ask us how we thought we should be punished. Because she enjoyed our thinking process, pretty much whatever we described as fair penalty for bad behavior she went for.
But, as weird as it was having these 2 wacky peeps as parents, I’m so thankful that they recognized I needed help when I was so young. I think, were it not for benzos and therapy, I’d likely be locked inside my house. Agoraphobia is a socially crippling disorder. I hate when it rears its ugly head in my life. Nothing cures it, but benzos manage it brilliantly. Benzos mean that I’m able to do all the things that normal people do.
When a psychiatrist is writing the drugs you are prescribed to your GP, yes,, then it your GP does prescribe it. But there are alot of black sheeps also.
 

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When a psychiatrist is writing the drugs you are prescribed to your GP, yes,, then it your GP does prescribe it. But there are alot of black sheeps also.
What does this mean? A GP can and does prescribe these medications, regardless of a psychiatrist. Why would a psychiatrist write a prescription to a GP to write to a patient?

There is absolutely no need to see a psychiatrist to be prescribed ADHD meds, I was prescribed it for years by one.
 

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What does this mean? A GP can and does prescribe these medications, regardless of a psychiatrist. Why would a psychiatrist write a prescription to a GP to write to a patient?

There is absolutely no need to see a psychiatrist to be prescribed ADHD meds, I was prescribed it for years by one.
And who does the diagnose? An ADHD - diagnose lasts really long and also your mum and dad or very old friends are asked about your behaviour from childhood on. Then you have to do a lot of tests...

But okay, in your country it's perhaps different.

JJ


P.S. the psychiatrist just gives a list of the meds you get from him ,so that your GP knows, you got me wrong.
 

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My GP did the diagnosis, I've never once in my life had to go to a psychiatrist to get a prescription to ADHD medication. Maybe the criteria is different for new patients now, I'm not sure. I do remember seeing a psychologist separately....hmmmm... maybe the psychologist made the diagnosis? I don't remember now that I think about it, I was 8 years old. All I know is I wish I never was prescribed any of it lol.

Oh I see what you meant about GP and psychiatrist, I thought you mean the psychiatrist was telling the GP what to prescribe, which I would imagine is illegal in a situation like that.
 

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In Austria it's like that. If my Psychiatrist would retire, I would never ever get my Ampetaminesulfate from my GP. If he writes her a letter with the meds HE is prescribing me it's not a problem anymore. But it seems really different from country to country.

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In Austria it's like that. If my Psychiatrist would retire, I would never ever get my Ampetaminesulfate from my GP. If he writes her a letter with the meds HE is prescribing me it's not a problem anymore. But it seems really different from country to country.

JJ
What you're saying does sound logical considering the atmosphere and spotlight on doctors and addiction. I have a feeling it may be like that here, as well, now too for the majority of the situations.

I may have just been "grandfathered" in where a GP was comfortable prescribing to me.

I think it's similar to how GP typically refuse to prescribe opioids now and refer most patients to pain management doctors. But, even then, there are exceptions.
 

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Hello.
A legend? In which way? Because of my Benzo-tolerance? @dalpat077

JJ
Nope. Not because of your benzo. tolerance. Just the fact that you've been around here a while, have many posts, and seems most of the older members (as in those that have been around here for a good while) seem to know you pretty well.
 

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Hello.

Nope. Not because of your benzo. tolerance. Just the fact that you've been around here a while, have many posts, and seems most of the older members (as in those that have been around here for a good while) seem to know you pretty well.
YES. they SEEM to know me pretty well. how true.

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Well this thread seems to have come to life with a vengeance this morning for some reason.

Which is quite odd because before I got up this morning I was scrolling through YouTube and happened to come across ("suggested" by YouTube) a video made by some dude who details his withdrawal from benzos. and opiates (and the rest). Of course and in typical YouTube fashion ("clickbait") the title was something along the lines of the sheer hell of Xanax withdrawal. Until you watch the actual video. The dude is on every prescription drug (benzos. and opiates and, and, and...) known to man (and then some) ALL of which being prescribed by doctors and specialists! I swear he was on more meds. than any pharmacy here would stock at any one given time. So to blame Xanax (and benzos. in general) for his plight is disingenuous or inaccurate to say the least. And of course the comments section was not much better i.e. quite a few comments made along the lines of benzos. being "the Devil". In spite of my own experiences with Alprozalam: I ain't "buying" I'm afraid. And the more I see and read: the more I'm convinced that it's usually a case of "Alprozalam PLUS [insert names of other drugs being taken simultaneously here]" that causes most of the problems.

There's also a pattern that's emerged (to me anyway) of late. Most seem to be able to taper from extremely high doses of benzos. to just about "nothing" and apparently with relative ease. But it's that last bit of "nothing" where the problems start. And I cannot help but wonder how much of that "nothing" is physical dependence or psychological dependence (and should it be the latter then it could simply be that the original reasons, if psychological, for being prescribed benzos. are simply returning albeit possibly that they are now worse or magnified).

Anyway. I've gone off the topic of the topic of my own thread (try say that ten times quickly)! Lol! Sorry. Just seemed prudent to mention the above. On topic: still not getting the reason for Xanax (Alprozalam) being a DOC for some people to get high unless a) your version of "high" is completely different from mine or b) you're (fortunately or unfortunately?) scoring Xanax laced with "whatever else".
 

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I quit Klonopin cold turkey when I accidentally threw away my bottle of pills that I’d just picked up from the pharmacy. I knew that if I called the pharmacist and said I had just thrown out my pills accidentally they’d think I was selling my supply or taking double what was prescribed.
When I quit taking the Klonnies, I had been on one benzo or another, steadily, since 2011. I was surprised that I didn’t feel worse, actually. I did a bit of crying and I felt a bit panicked over the first 3-4 days, but I really had no other symptoms.
 
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