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Benzos Alprozalam - What's The Big Deal

JoEhJoEh

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Hmmmnnn... In a perfect world maybe. And where and when did ADHD Meds. form a part of the conversation anyway? Lol!
ROFL?
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Did you already anything read of the specialist ADHS-literature? If you are tested positiv, the now have to find together the correct medication for you - and this lasts weeks...For me it was quite a procedure to go there minimum oncee a week - but now I'm happy and satisfied with my medication now.

BEFORE
you already need a prescription to the Psychotherapeut from the Psychiatrist.

JJ
 

dalpat077

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Hello.
ROFL?
terature
Did you already anything read of the specialist ADHS-literature? If you are tested positiv, the now have to find together the correct medication for you - and this lasts weeks...For me it was quite a procedure to go there minimum oncee a week - but now I'm happy and satisfied with my medication now.

BEFORE
you already need a prescription to the Psychotherapeut from the Psychiatrist.

JJ
I THINK I understand what you're trying to say (emphasis on the word "THINK")! Lol!

Assuming we're on the same page (for now):

I'm pleased for you that you're happy and satisfied with your medication and that you've reached this point. But I'm prepared to wager that either you're loaded financially or on a good healthcare plan or live in a country that actually has their shit together. I live in South Africa. And let me tell you that if you're not covered by these overpriced thieving medical aid companies: well to put it plainly you're fucked no matter what's wrong with you. The public health system here is all but non existent now. So the idea of going in weekly to a government facility for test after test and with somebody who actually knows what they're talking about and actually cares is slim at best.

As for me: I still think you have me confused with somebody else! Lol! But whatever the case: I do enjoy chatting with you and reading your insightful, and sometimes rather amusing, posts! Lol!
 

JoEhJoEh

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.... and a GP is not allowed to prescribe such meds without a diagnostic from a Psych, sorry. If he does, he does it illegaly.

JJ
 

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If you are testet positive then, the Psych may give you an info for the GP, so that he can prescribe it.

JJ
 

dalpat077

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if you are in south africa, of course i can understand then - i did not read it properly.

i apologize.

JJ
There is no reason at all to apologize I assure you. But let's just say that I wouldn't change my GP for all the tea in China I'll tell you that much! Lol!
 

dalpat077

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Ahaaaaaaaaaa!!!!:cool::cool::cool::cool: If you have one of the very cool GPs then I would also not go to anybody else ;)

jj
^^ yip you got to love S.A. for that reason, exactly why i stick with my GP too
Yip. He's been my GP for over 40 years now. We've been through measles, chickenpox, depression, and God knows what else together (that sounds strange doesn't it! Lol!). And best of all: he CARES i.e. one of the few that got into the profession for the right reasons i.e. caring for people as opposed to the big paycheck at the end of it all.
 

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Hello.


Yip. He's been my GP for over 40 years now. We've been through measles, chickenpox, depression, and God knows what else together (that sounds strange doesn't it! Lol!). And best of all: he CARES i.e. one of the few that got into the profession for the right reasons i.e. caring for people as opposed to the big paycheck at the end of it all.
I had one of those once... when I moved I lost him though. It seems difficult to find a doctor who actually cares and doesn't just give you 15 minutes of half-assed thought and then forgets all about you.
 

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as dumb as this sounds i got hooked on bars and kpins mainly because almost all the coke in my town was cut with some RC that gave me bad heart palpitations id have to lie down and control my breathing. scary. Of course im a dumbass and didnt want to stop using cocaine so i found taking a benzo stopped the palpitations. I also have moderare anxiety and became comofrtable with the total relief of anxiety from benzos and then discovered how benzo addiction for me is worst out of all the rest, including heroin amphetamine and alcohol. Entering benzo withdrawal with no access to benzos all night was the scariest feeling for me. Worse than heroin/fet. It also brought me into a darkness id never believe i could be in, ruined an amazing relationship one that i felt like luckiest guy ever, it kills me that it was my actions that ruined something so valuable. I guess that served as a lesson for me
 

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as dumb as this sounds i got hooked on bars and kpins mainly because almost all the coke in my town was cut with some RC that gave me bad heart palpitations id have to lie down and control my breathing. scary. Of course im a dumbass and didnt want to stop using cocaine so i found taking a benzo stopped the palpitations. I also have moderare anxiety and became comofrtable with the total relief of anxiety from benzos and then discovered how benzo addiction for me is worst out of all the rest, including heroin amphetamine and alcohol. Entering benzo withdrawal with no access to benzos all night was the scariest feeling for me. Worse than heroin/fet. It also brought me into a darkness id never believe i could be in, ruined an amazing relationship one that i felt like luckiest guy ever, it kills me that it was my actions that ruined something so valuable. I guess that served as a lesson for me
It doesn’t sound dumb at all. As a coke user for many years (in a previous lifetime that is! Lol!) I used to down vats of booze to ease the paranoia and deal with the comedown. Fortunately for me: I don’t like booze (but love being pissed) and back then I did not know what a benzodiazepine was. So I’m the lucky one I guess. Some years later I did start using (prescribed) Alprozalam and, well, things got bad at one stage. So I know what you mean and understand what you are saying. I’ve heard (and read at the time) that benzodiazepine withdrawal is as bad, if not worse but just as life threatening, as Heroin and alcohol withdrawal. I wouldn’t know having not had the “pleasure”. But I do know that benzodiazepine withdrawal can be hell in and of itself.

A word of advice from ‘lil ‘ol me on the subject of doing silly things and losing things. It has taken me a long time to have come to terms with some of the fuckups I have made (not necessarily only drug related). All I can tell you is that you need to stop beating yourself up over things you have done and let go of the things you may have lost. In my case: I beat myself up a lot for years and had many regrets about certain things and blamed myself totally for everything that had gone wrong in my life until I finally fathomed that I did not just do those things for no reason or for the hell of it. If you carefully examine each instance you will in all probability find that there was something else going on in your life that prompted a certain course of action at the time and the direction taken. And when it involves other people, especially in relationships, you will find that the other person or people also had their part to play in things (most of them will just never admit it). And this does not mean to blame anybody or everybody else because things didn’t turn out right for you. And it does not mean to not take responsibility for your own actions. But bear in mind that your own actions and decisions made could very well have been your choice or action in reaction to somebody else’s own shortcomings, lack of caring, or own bad behavior.

And while I’m on a roll here again this morning let me add this:

If you have wronged somebody as a result of your antics or bad behavior (whether it be due to drugs or anything else) and you are genuinely sorry, realize what you did wrong or how you hurt them, and have apologized and tried to make amends and they are not accepting of such: then tell them to get fucked and with your head held high. Maybe even apologize a second or third time. But that’s it. There is a limit to what you can do. And believe me when I say that those that begrudgingly accept your apologies and good will are the very same people who will think nothing of throwing it in your face all that you have done wrong in the past even when the altercation at hand has nothing at all to do with drugs or booze or whatever else. They will use your past as a sharp weapon when they’re losing the battle. And if you let that happen often enough: eventually you’ll end up right back where you started because you’ll be thinking “well what the fuck: might as well have a hit”. It’s the same idea as these sanctimonious pieces of shit that will never give a con. a second chance. Dude has been to jail, done his time, paid his price to society, but in spite of that society will never let him forget and move on from his past and past deeds. Fuck them. Dude tries to get a job, is not given a chance by anybody because they have a record, reoffends, and society then has the gall to say “why” and “I knew that would happen”.

Anyway. Good morning. My first though(s) for the day! Lol!
 

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Well everyone has there preference on drugs..just like food. I suppose the reason so many like it is because it lowers their inhibitions, just like alcohol. For me it is my 2nd favorite drug..a close 2nd behind heroin. Xanax makes me feel invincible..I can talk to anyone, be around crowds without feeling anxious, go into the worst hood's to cop drugs. I just have no fear whatsoever.

And you dont have to drink any nasty tasting alcohol or have it on your breath...nobody knows your on anything..and then you just drift off to sleep....... ..and wake up in a jail cell in handcuffs. Lol no just kidding but a lot of people who dont have anxiety dont see much appeal to xanax. ...now Clonazelam...if you get your hands on some liquid clonazolam..oh hell yea. Your in for a good time.
 

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Alprazolam is your typical anxiolytic benzo. It's by far the most prescribed benzo in the US, so it's more common 'on the streets'. Diazepam is superior in most aspects - anxiolysis, hypnotic/sleep inducing, anticonvulsant, and muscle relaxant compared to alprazolam.

Over prescribed benzo.
 

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From personal experience... Benzodiazepines have never been a drug that gave me some pleasant recreational effect. Never got a high, only anxiety reduction, sedation and muscle relaxation. Nothing even close to amphetamine or opioid high. That is the reason I never abused them after few tries/experiments. And even when it comes to benzos alprazolam is not on the top of my list. I much more prefer diazepam and bromazepam. Heck, even clonazepam or midazolam give me more of the effects that I find enjoyable. So I don't know why is alprazolam so highly valued. Think it is a, when we put aside individual outliers and their response to particular substance, more of a marketing thing. My 2 cents with a sprinkle of a whole lot of experience.
 

dalpat077

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Good answer.
From personal experience... Benzodiazepines have never been a drug that gave me some pleasant recreational effect. Never got a high, only anxiety reduction, sedation and muscle relaxation. Nothing even close to amphetamine or opioid high. That is the reason I never abused them after few tries/experiments. And even when it comes to benzos alprazolam is not on the top of my list. I much more prefer diazepam and bromazepam. Heck, even clonazepam or midazolam give me more of the effects that I find enjoyable. So I don't know why is alprazolam so highly valued. Think it is a, when we put aside individual outliers and their response to particular substance, more of a marketing thing. My 2 cents with a sprinkle of a whole lot of experience.
And I agree (which was kinda the reason I started the thread in the first place). I've only ever used Alprozalam (none of the others) and all I got/get from it is sedation and muscle relaxation and a decent night's sleep (depending of course on how many I felt like taking on any particular day). Other than that the main benefit for me is to take my mind off of my troubles (which really is self defeating at best I realize). Certainly not a high or something I'd go riding around looking for at 03h00 in the morning type of thing from a dealer that's for sure. Only high I experienced (which I may have described earlier) was a real nice bump with Alprozalam and the tiniest bit of Fentanyl. Now that was nice. But in hindsight it was the Fentanyl and nothing to do with the Alprozalam I don't think. Also guess I was being a bit unfair in my original post at the beginning of the thread i.e. not comparing apples with apples. To me a high is a Coke high. So you really cannot compare the two. Maybe some people just like being sedated all of the time (or, as I've said, maybe I'm just doing something wrong) (although this time around I'm genuinely using them for issues as opposed to actually TRYING to abuse them). Still. It sure does seem to be popular.

As a side note though I found this the other day (link below). Given that I weigh around 85kg (and if I was a rat): a lethal dosage of Alprozalam would be anywhere between 28 135mg and 184 535mg. That is one shit pile of pills to take. So I can only assume that supposed Alprozalam overdoses should be more accurately described as "Alprozalam used with [insert name of other drug or substance here] led to the OD". And no: for those of you who have a pile lying around I'm not advocating you go swallow the whole lot (especially if you don't know if it's cut with something else like Fentanyl for example). I'm just saying is all. Also and as I understand things: one reason benzos. replaced barbiturates was for this very reason i.e. apparently almost impossible to OD on (whereas barbiturates, as we all know, are another story altogether). This being said: the medical fraternity also said there was far less chance of addiction to benzos. than there was to barbiturates (and we all know how that story has turned out! Lol!).

Anyway here's the link for fun: https://www.healthline.com/health/can-you-overdose-on-xanax#lethal-dosage

I was going to start another thread for the below but may as well just continue here and get it over with:

I don't know if anybody that is using Alprozalam has noticed this but I have proved it beyond a doubt and I'm just wondering why this is the case because I've never seen this in any published literature. My eyesight isn't as hot as it used to be (nothing major i.e. just something that comes from reaching 55 but I did notice the same thing a few years ago also when I was on Alprozalam) and I promise you that Alprozalam improves my eyesight (and no: I'm not on anything else! Lol!). Anybody else ever noticed this?

Also: off and on over the last few years I've gone through periods of Restless Leg Syndrome. For anybody that has never experienced: it can end up being hell on earth i.e. cannot sleep and, worse still, makes big shit if you don't have an understanding partner in the bed! Lol! But it stops immediately with Alprozalam. Never seen this prescribed as a treatment for Restless Leg Syndrome either. But there you have it.
 
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benzodiazepine withdrawal is as bad, if not worse but just as life threatening, as Heroin and alcohol withdrawal.
Benzo withdrawal and alcohol withdrawal are on the same levbel in terms of being life-threatening, but benzo withdrawal lasts many times longer than alcohol withdrawal. The reason they are life-threatening is that it can cause seizures. Opiate/heroin withdrawal is absolutely awful, but not life-threatening.
 

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Benzo withdrawal and alcohol withdrawal are on the same levbel in terms of being life-threatening, but benzo withdrawal lasts many times longer than alcohol withdrawal. The reason they are life-threatening is that it can cause seizures. Opiate/heroin withdrawal is absolutely awful, but not life-threatening.
This. Beat me to it.
 
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